EPThey toad was alignment generated randomly or not?
I got my first pick.
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
hey toad was alignment generated randomly or not? I got my first pick. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
We are Yoshi! We talked it over and it seemed best to just come straight out and roleclaim, because bus drivers can be pretty damned destructive and chaotic if used badly. However, they can also be awesome. We will use it as an interesting twisted medic, meaning we will drive from someone we read as town to someone we read as scum! This obviously works better when scum doesn't know beforehand who is being protected and targeted, so we won't announce our actions beforehand, but after the night is over we will say exactly what we did, and why. We feel a mass claim would be a pretty good idea now in any case. That way scum roleblockers can't hide (or can be caught if scum lies about their role/target) and everybody can be held accountable for their actions. More advantages of mass claim: it makes it so that if there's a Mario we can have them be randomized separately, then randomize everybody else: sucks if you get stuck with a Mario, but at least you don't take damage AND lose the item as you would using Hiro's completely random generation (which I think is a good idea). Ensures optimal item distribution and minimizes random damage! /Artanis and Acro | ||
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
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HomerunBat
Oman114 Posts
Also regarding the split on hyrule I do not think it would be beneficial, spreading makes sure that at least some of us will get tornado damage( since it is random) also there is no benefit for spreading randomly, we will get stock changes by the next daypost and it would be much better for town if we avoid unnecessary damage -Shiao | ||
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
And yes, random damage is random, so you can't make any sense of it or avoid it by clever play. All we can do is try to mitigate the damage it does to town. How do you propose to "avoid unnecessary damage" when the damage is random? Also, we're town, so however Toad distributed alignments, it didn't include making us scum. Trying to find scum by wifoming about the mod's method of role distribution is a pretty bad way of scumhunting in any case. On the mass claim: sure, it gives scum information, but it also means they can't hide behind their role and can be caught out on lies. It means they are forced to use their powers in a pro-town way. We know everybody has powers, so scum knows that too. They also already know 3 out of the 5 roles (I see no reason for grush to be lying about something that can be caught out that easily, so Cephiro and Saturn seem to be Samus). They know their own roles. So far in all the weird setup games I've played (holy roman, bastard 2 for sure, space station and DFM2 to a certain extent), mass claims have worked well for town. It severely restricts scum's options on how to use their powers and makes them accountable. As it is, if one of the samuses shoots someone (or a captain falcon) who flips town, we don't know who shot, whether it was a bus drive or what the hell happened. If all roles are claimed and something doesn't add up, we can lynch that person. | ||
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
I also propose all hydras have to sign their posts. Gets pretty chaotic otherwise. Shiao, Hiro and I have already started, so I presume we're all on-board with that  | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 02 2012 09:48 Mister Saturn wrote: I wouldn't describe it as controlling the item grab for town; it just removes the information advantage that scum would normally have. Also I have a way to randomize the item picking order, if Toad will allow it. I can use Randomizer to reorder the player list from the first page. Someone will give me a random time to do it at (the website lists the time up to the second under the randomization result). And I can then post a screenshot of it as the random order. Am I allowed to post a screenshot like this? - Hiro NO YOU'RE NOT. SAME AS THE ENCRYPTING THING FOR ME AND I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT SIMPLE HERE WITHOUT OUT OF THREAD GADGETS EVERYWHERE On July 02 2012 12:31 talismania wrote: hokay so mister saturn and cephiro are both samus then (or grush is lying). hey toad was alignment generated randomly or not? I got my first pick. NO INFORMATION ON THAT ONE | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
PEOPLE WHO PLAN ON REPLACING IN, IN CASE ANYTHING HAPPENS SHOULD NOT PM FOR OBS-QT EITHER. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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Mister Saturn
Vatican City State155 Posts
I am samus, so as far as I know grush told the truth. We'll have to wait for Cephiro. So for items/stages, how about we do it nice and simple with iGrok's way. So for items, first person goes top left, 2nd person goes top middle, etc. 7th and 8th get top left/top middle respectively. I had some concern initially about doing it this way since iGrok was the one who suggested it and he happened to be first on the list... But thinking about first is actually not a great spot since you get doubled up with someone else. And stages, I guess we can just split it up, so 1st,2nd,3rd get left; 4th, 5th, 6th get middle, etc. You're taking this all caps thing very seriously Toad,  - Hiro | ||
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Mister Saturn
Vatican City State155 Posts
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kingdedede
Kazakhstan80 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:53 Mister Saturn wrote: Oh wait, that's not the way iGrok suggested it. He was the guy who suggested having one person pick for everyone else. Well I like this way better. So let me know what you think. The deadline for those actions is not that far away, so we need everyone to decide on the plan quickly. - Hiro Talked to Artanis: we're fine with that way of doing item placement (at least for D1). I still prefer it if Marios claim and we don't risk damage for stupid reasons, but I can't force anybody else to claim. What do you think of splitting in a similar way for tornados? Or do you think we should all pile onto a single tile and risk everybody taking .5 damage? Also gonna play devil's advocate on the item placement distribution: if we allow everybody to choose their own spot there's the possibility of making connections between scum (hard, of course, if scum plays it smart, but at least it's theoretically possible). If we use randomized lists, or the initial ordering by Toad, then that connection is out the window. | ||
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Mister Saturn
Vatican City State155 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:03 kingdedede wrote: Also gonna play devil's advocate on the item placement distribution: if we allow everybody to choose their own spot there's the possibility of making connections between scum (hard, of course, if scum plays it smart, but at least it's theoretically possible). If we use randomized lists, or the initial ordering by Toad, then that connection is out the window. I talked about this in my first post. I don't think there's much we can analyze from that since not only are there six spots and only eight characters, but mafia is also well aware of the fact that if they play too optimally they could get exposed in the late game. I think it's better to just remove the information advantage that mafia would normally possess. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 02 2012 23:49 Mister Saturn wrote: You're taking this all caps thing very seriously Toad, I HAVE TO. IT'S THE LAW! ALSO A REMINDER WE NEED INFORMATION ON STAGE EVENTS AND ITEM PLACES BY THE END OF 22:30 GMT (+00:00). IF YOU DON'T SEND IN STAGE EVENT INFORMATION YOU WILL GET HIT BY A TORNADO NO MATTER WHAT. IF YOU DON'T SEND IN ITEM INFORMATION YOU WON'T GET A CHANCE TO GET AN ITEM BUT ALSO WON'T GET HIT IF SOMEONE ELSE IS IN THE SAME PLACE, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEND THAT IN | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
I volunteer to sit out trying to get an item today - I will not be sending in an item drop placement. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 03 2012 00:38 HiroPro wrote: Do we get told what everyone picked for stage and item spots? Will we know what the item was or who got it? YOU WILL BE TOLD WHAT ITEM DROPPED, YOU WILL BE INFORMED ABOUT WHO ENDED UP BEING DAMAGED IF SOMEONE GOT DAMAGED IN THE PROCESS AND YOU WILL BE INFORMED WHO ENDED UP PICKING UP THE ITEM IF SOMEONE ENDS UP PICKING IT UP YOU WILL NOT BE TOLD WHO ENDED UP IN WHAT POSITION. NEITHER FOR ITEMS NOR FOR STAGE EVENTS. ALSO KEEP IN MIND. STAGE EVENTS HAVE ONLY 3 POSSIBLE AREAS TO BE IN UNLESS STATED OTHERWISE. ITEM DROPS CAN OCCUR IN 6 DIFFERENT AREAS. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
If you don't like that idea, I am also open to the spread I guess. With more than 1 person in each zone, at least we can confirm if somebody dodged the zone if he did not get damage when the other one did. Given toads reluctance to allow randomizer, we should probably get along with the plan iGrok laid out. At least it is a way to make item distribution more transparent. | ||
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