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Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 02 2012 20:19 GMT
#181
talismania volunteered sitting out, right?

- Hiro
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 02 2012 20:21 GMT
#182
On July 03 2012 05:19 Risen wrote:
Then why isn't the game balanced around everyone having 2 stock? Or 1 stock? It's 3 stock for a reason.


Because it's super smash brothers. 3 stock is standard.

- Hiro
mmaaawww
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 02 2012 20:22 GMT
#183
On July 03 2012 05:21 Mister Saturn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 05:19 Risen wrote:
Then why isn't the game balanced around everyone having 2 stock? Or 1 stock? It's 3 stock for a reason.


Because it's super smash brothers. 3 stock is standard.

- Hiro


What horrible reasoning. This hydra has played mafia before, right?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 20:22 GMT
#184
On July 03 2012 05:19 Risen wrote:
Then why isn't the game balanced around everyone having 2 stock? Or 1 stock? It's 3 stock for a reason.

As the guy who made the game, I'll tell you why.

A) Starting stock was going to be an integer
B) 2 Stock leads to games that are too fast
C) 4 Stock leads to games that are too long
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 02 2012 20:23 GMT
#185
On July 03 2012 05:22 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 05:21 Mister Saturn wrote:
On July 03 2012 05:19 Risen wrote:
Then why isn't the game balanced around everyone having 2 stock? Or 1 stock? It's 3 stock for a reason.


Because it's super smash brothers. 3 stock is standard.

- Hiro


What horrible reasoning. This hydra has played mafia before, right?


No, I don't play mafia. What's that?

- Hiro
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
July 02 2012 20:30 GMT
#186
JUST AS A REMINDER, I AM A REAL COHOST AND I'M FEELING LEFT OUT THAT THE OTHER HOSTS GOT PM'S AND I DIDN'T.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO SEND YOUR ITEM ACTIONS/STAGE EVENTS/NIGHT ACTIONS TO MYSELF AND GREYMIST IN CASE TOADSSTERN IS NOT AROUND. K THANKS.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#187
On July 03 2012 05:22 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 05:19 Risen wrote:
Then why isn't the game balanced around everyone having 2 stock? Or 1 stock? It's 3 stock for a reason.

As the guy who made the game, I'll tell you why.

A) Starting stock was going to be an integer
B) 2 Stock leads to games that are too fast
C) 4 Stock leads to games that are too long


So having everyone get dropped to (possibly) 2.5 leads to what? You have yet to explain how this is in favor of town. You also have yet to explain why two people were left off your item list, which, if you don't know who mafia is, gives them a better chance at items. Then again, if you DO know who mafia is, then it makes perfect sense.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 02 2012 20:32 GMT
#188
On July 03 2012 05:30 ghost_403 wrote:
JUST AS A REMINDER, I AM A REAL COHOST AND I'M FEELING LEFT OUT THAT THE OTHER HOSTS GOT PM'S AND I DIDN'T.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO SEND YOUR ITEM ACTIONS/STAGE EVENTS/NIGHT ACTIONS TO MYSELF AND GREYMIST IN CASE TOADSSTERN IS NOT AROUND. K THANKS.


I sent mine to you.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 20:37 GMT
#189
CLICK FOR CANDY

And jesus its not a fucking "DO THIS TO WIN AS TOWN" plan, that doesn't exist. Its a "DO THIS TO MITIGATE SCUM ADVANTAGE BY CONFUSION" plan, because in SSB64, Town has a built-in balance advantage if they can avoid confusion and limit info scum has that town does not. And you seem to be doing your best to add to the confusion. So what conclusions should we draw from that?
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Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#190
On July 03 2012 05:37 iGrok wrote:
CLICK FOR CANDY

And jesus its not a fucking "DO THIS TO WIN AS TOWN" plan, that doesn't exist. Its a "DO THIS TO MITIGATE SCUM ADVANTAGE BY CONFUSION" plan, because in SSB64, Town has a built-in balance advantage if they can avoid confusion and limit info scum has that town does not. And you seem to be doing your best to add to the confusion. So what conclusions should we draw from that?


I disagree. Scum gets no info from spreading ourselves out based on the list and leading town to do things doesn't seem pro-town to me at all.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 02 2012 20:40 GMT
#191
EBWOP: And sorry I missed your reasoning. There ARE lots of things that are -1kp in this game, but not all of them are.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
July 02 2012 20:47 GMT
#192
I'll be sending my actions, which will be STAGE: Left, and ITEM: Top Middle, as requested by iGrok, in 10 minutes.

I like that Risen is being critical to what iGrok is pushing, but for what reasons?
Why is it better to spread ourselves than all be at the same spot? It all comes down to randomness, and if we do it "by list", then there is nothing to go by from. I'd say iGrok's decision of putting all players on the same stage event tells us much more than just going by list, which would tell us nothing.

So Risen, is there an absolute reason why you do not want to stand on left like most (if not everyone else) of us?

I'll give though that I do not entirely agree with iGrok's reasoning of reducing the action count, as it does possibly the same for scum also.

For now though, I do not see cons that outweigh the pros.

Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 02 2012 20:59 GMT
#193
On July 03 2012 05:47 Cephiro wrote:
I'll be sending my actions, which will be STAGE: Left, and ITEM: Top Middle, as requested by iGrok, in 10 minutes.

I like that Risen is being critical to what iGrok is pushing, but for what reasons?
Why is it better to spread ourselves than all be at the same spot? It all comes down to randomness, and if we do it "by list", then there is nothing to go by from. I'd say iGrok's decision of putting all players on the same stage event tells us much more than just going by list, which would tell us nothing.

So Risen, is there an absolute reason why you do not want to stand on left like most (if not everyone else) of us?

I'll give though that I do not entirely agree with iGrok's reasoning of reducing the action count, as it does possibly the same for scum also.

For now though, I do not see cons that outweigh the pros.



Exactly WHAT does standing on the same platform tell us? It tells us NOTHING.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 02 2012 21:02 GMT
#194
mm, I'm curious. What made you pick Risen over grush to sit out items, iGrok? And why have talismania sit out? He may have volunteered, but thinking about it, if you didn't have any leaning scum reads (which is what it looks like, since you picked a non-poster and a volunteer), wouldn't it have been better to simply put two people who weren't doing anything?

- Hiro
mmaaawww
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 02 2012 21:03 GMT
#195
On July 03 2012 06:02 Mister Saturn wrote:
mm, I'm curious. What made you pick Risen over grush to sit out items, iGrok? And why have talismania sit out? He may have volunteered, but thinking about it, if you didn't have any leaning scum reads (which is what it looks like, since you picked a non-poster and a volunteer), wouldn't it have been better to simply put two people who weren't doing anything?

- Hiro


I wasn't doing anything at the time when he posted sit-outs. I came in at the same time he posted the sit-outs.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 02 2012 21:06 GMT
#196
I know that; I want to hear iGrok's reasoning though. And that still doesn't explain my second question.

- Hiro
mmaaawww
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
July 02 2012 21:13 GMT
#197
On July 03 2012 05:59 Risen wrote:
Exactly WHAT does standing on the same platform tell us? It tells us NOTHING.


1) It gives us insight on iGrok's thoughts. (He made a very neutral/safe choice, punishing everyone or no-one, not grouping people yet, which he however IS doing in his item picks/sit-outs. He also gave a valid reasoning, it may not necessarily be the optimal choice, but I haven't seen anyone else give a better idea yet.)
2) The reactions of the players on iGrok's choices. (For example, you insist on not going left with everyone, which you haven't given a valid reason for. Or talismania willing to sit-out, even though there is no risk of a fight [Stock loss] if people follow the plan.)

So tell me, have a better idea? For now all I am seeing is that you are saying you are not going to follow the plan. (Which you say is because this gives us no information, which is false.) And in your latest posts you were thinking of dividing by the list. (Which doesn't give us any information at all.)

I can say it's not much, but it's better than nothing, and we need something to get the scumhunting started. If you're still going to go against the plan without either a) Giving a better idea or b) Giving proper reasoning, then you're certainly not looking good in my eyes.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 02 2012 21:13 GMT
#198
On July 03 2012 06:13 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 05:59 Risen wrote:
Exactly WHAT does standing on the same platform tell us? It tells us NOTHING.


1) It gives us insight on iGrok's thoughts. (He made a very neutral/safe choice, punishing everyone or no-one, not grouping people yet, which he however IS doing in his item picks/sit-outs. He also gave a valid reasoning, it may not necessarily be the optimal choice, but I haven't seen anyone else give a better idea yet.)
2) The reactions of the players on iGrok's choices. (For example, you insist on not going left with everyone, which you haven't given a valid reason for. Or talismania willing to sit-out, even though there is no risk of a fight [Stock loss] if people follow the plan.)

So tell me, have a better idea? For now all I am seeing is that you are saying you are not going to follow the plan. (Which you say is because this gives us no information, which is false.) And in your latest posts you were thinking of dividing by the list. (Which doesn't give us any information at all.)

I can say it's not much, but it's better than nothing, and we need something to get the scumhunting started. If you're still going to go against the plan without either a) Giving a better idea or b) Giving proper reasoning, then you're certainly not looking good in my eyes.


Found the other scum. Two total? Easy game.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
July 02 2012 21:17 GMT
#199
On July 03 2012 06:13 Risen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 03 2012 06:13 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 05:59 Risen wrote:
Exactly WHAT does standing on the same platform tell us? It tells us NOTHING.


1) It gives us insight on iGrok's thoughts. (He made a very neutral/safe choice, punishing everyone or no-one, not grouping people yet, which he however IS doing in his item picks/sit-outs. He also gave a valid reasoning, it may not necessarily be the optimal choice, but I haven't seen anyone else give a better idea yet.)
2) The reactions of the players on iGrok's choices. (For example, you insist on not going left with everyone, which you haven't given a valid reason for. Or talismania willing to sit-out, even though there is no risk of a fight [Stock loss] if people follow the plan.)

So tell me, have a better idea? For now all I am seeing is that you are saying you are not going to follow the plan. (Which you say is because this gives us no information, which is false.) And in your latest posts you were thinking of dividing by the list. (Which doesn't give us any information at all.)

I can say it's not much, but it's better than nothing, and we need something to get the scumhunting started. If you're still going to go against the plan without either a) Giving a better idea or b) Giving proper reasoning, then you're certainly not looking good in my eyes.


Found the other scum. Two total? Easy game.


How about you answer the questions properly and start playing the game instead of toying around? Or is it because you have no answer? For all I see you are just casting shit on iGrok's idea, but you are providing absolutely nothing useful yourself.

If you think I am scum for supporting his current stance more than yours, you're retarded. Start doing stuff that benefits the town instead of casting shit on the content others provide, when you provide nothing yourself.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
July 02 2012 21:23 GMT
#200
On July 03 2012 06:17 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 06:13 Risen wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 03 2012 06:13 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 05:59 Risen wrote:
Exactly WHAT does standing on the same platform tell us? It tells us NOTHING.


1) It gives us insight on iGrok's thoughts. (He made a very neutral/safe choice, punishing everyone or no-one, not grouping people yet, which he however IS doing in his item picks/sit-outs. He also gave a valid reasoning, it may not necessarily be the optimal choice, but I haven't seen anyone else give a better idea yet.)
2) The reactions of the players on iGrok's choices. (For example, you insist on not going left with everyone, which you haven't given a valid reason for. Or talismania willing to sit-out, even though there is no risk of a fight [Stock loss] if people follow the plan.)

So tell me, have a better idea? For now all I am seeing is that you are saying you are not going to follow the plan. (Which you say is because this gives us no information, which is false.) And in your latest posts you were thinking of dividing by the list. (Which doesn't give us any information at all.)

I can say it's not much, but it's better than nothing, and we need something to get the scumhunting started. If you're still going to go against the plan without either a) Giving a better idea or b) Giving proper reasoning, then you're certainly not looking good in my eyes.


Found the other scum. Two total? Easy game.


How about you answer the questions properly and start playing the game instead of toying around? Or is it because you have no answer? For all I see you are just casting shit on iGrok's idea, but you are providing absolutely nothing useful yourself.

If you think I am scum for supporting his current stance more than yours, you're retarded. Start doing stuff that benefits the town instead of casting shit on the content others provide, when you provide nothing yourself.


How about you read my filter and find the answers since I've already posted them. You're incompetent and lazy, or scum. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say scum.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
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