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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 18:58 GMT
#152
EBWOP CHANGE OF PLAN
ITEMS:

TOP LEFT Mister Saturn (HiroPro + strongandbig)
TOP MID Cephiro
TOP RIGHT grush57
BOT LEFT HomerunBat (ShiaoPi + s0Lstice)
BOT MID kingdedede (Artanis[Xp] + Acrofales)
BOT RIGHT iGrok
SIT OUT Risen
SIT OUT talismania
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 18:59 GMT
#153
I hate having to do this but i'm sick of people not understanding shit.

Do i need to make a graphic representation?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:01 GMT
#156
Yes, Zebes is just another lynch for us.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:02 GMT
#157
Item locations may change depending on how the rest of the day goes. If I get some reads I'll switch you in.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:09 GMT
#163
It's all about how difficult it is to lynch them. There are a lot of things that are -1kp in this game. Cutting everyone down from 3 to 2.5 is very nice for us because then it only takes 2 actions to kill them instead of 3 (or two lynches)
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:12 GMT
#165
And of course if scum don't follow along, we've found them out.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:26 GMT
#169
On July 03 2012 04:25 talismania wrote:
bah I wanted to stand in the middle :-(

____________

random hypothesis:

toad picked alignments after character select so that he could guarantee a balanced game (aka he did not do it randomly). otherwise I don't see why we picked characters first and couldn't talk and all that which was half the fun (and half the information) in pick your power. Therefore I hypothesize that cephiro and mister saturn are not both mafia, because that sounds kind of broken. The other possible configurations sound reasonable though.

I can confirm that your hypothesis is correct because thats how you run SSB64
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:29 GMT
#171
Ok, so to remind everyone, everyone but grush got their first pick and that's accounted for
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:30 GMT
#172
Risen i don't care who you vote for as long as you stand in the right place.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:41 GMT
#175
Someone else try talking to him. I'm trying but it seems no one is home.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 20:22 GMT
#184
On July 03 2012 05:19 Risen wrote:
Then why isn't the game balanced around everyone having 2 stock? Or 1 stock? It's 3 stock for a reason.

As the guy who made the game, I'll tell you why.

A) Starting stock was going to be an integer
B) 2 Stock leads to games that are too fast
C) 4 Stock leads to games that are too long
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 20:37 GMT
#189
CLICK FOR CANDY

And jesus its not a fucking "DO THIS TO WIN AS TOWN" plan, that doesn't exist. Its a "DO THIS TO MITIGATE SCUM ADVANTAGE BY CONFUSION" plan, because in SSB64, Town has a built-in balance advantage if they can avoid confusion and limit info scum has that town does not. And you seem to be doing your best to add to the confusion. So what conclusions should we draw from that?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 21:53 GMT
#209
On July 03 2012 06:51 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 06:44 kingdedede wrote:
Why do you think it's worse off for Town than Mafia, Risen? How would splitting up the players over the three spots help town? Either way, the chance of hitting town compared to scum is 'equal' in that the expected value doesn't change. The only thing that changes by changing spots is variance, and I haven't heard an argument that the higher variance leads to a better outcome for Town.


What's better, (potentially) all of town and mafia losing .5kp or only some of town and some of mafia (potentially for mafia, guaranteed for town) losing .5kp. I think option 2 is better for town. That's what it comes down to.

You think that guaranteeing that town loses stock for the chance that not all townies will and a scum will is better than keeping everyone equal.

Are you fucking kidding me.

This is seriously the most pants-on-head-retarded argument I've ever seen you make.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:00 GMT
#218
On July 03 2012 06:54 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 06:50 Cephiro wrote:
Because you're clearly smarter than me, would you care to explain more in-detail why do you consider that both factions losing percentually the same amount of stock out of their total, thus the ratio staying the same, is worse off for town?

If I understood right, you'd rather do a 3-2-3 split. Assuming there are 2 scum, best case scenario is if both scum end up in the middle and a tornado hits them both. Chances of this happening is (1/3)*(1/4)*(1/7) ~ 1,18%
Worst case scenario is that it hits three townies: (1/3)*(3/4)*(5/7)*(2/3) ~ 11,19%

The chance of worst case scenario happening for town is almost 10 times higher than scum, if my math is not wrong.

Can you explain me why your plan is better?

Especially as iGrok's plan only has a 33% chance of anyone taking damage, and if it happens, we all take damage in an equal ratio.



End ratio isn't equal. Someone else posted on this. Stand where you want to stand people, don't be directed. No information comes from all of us standing on a single square. Damage outweighs benefits imo. Think that sums well.

NO, HE POSTED THAT THE END RATIOS ARE EQUAL. QUIT BEING OBTUSE.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:03 GMT
#222
On July 03 2012 07:00 kingdedede wrote:
iGrok, why are you ignoring me?

Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 04:54 kingdedede wrote:
iGrok: why is Risen getting benched for an item?


Sure, I can make up my own explanation. I want to hear your reasoning for this when you made the decision. Answer it about Tali as well while you're at it.

Not ignoring you sorry, attention is kind of split atm.

Risen was originally benched because he hadn't done anything and if he was going to lurk I didn't want him getting an item.
Tali wasn't benched for any particular reason.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#224
On July 03 2012 07:02 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 07:00 iGrok wrote:
On July 03 2012 06:54 Risen wrote:
On July 03 2012 06:50 Cephiro wrote:
Because you're clearly smarter than me, would you care to explain more in-detail why do you consider that both factions losing percentually the same amount of stock out of their total, thus the ratio staying the same, is worse off for town?

If I understood right, you'd rather do a 3-2-3 split. Assuming there are 2 scum, best case scenario is if both scum end up in the middle and a tornado hits them both. Chances of this happening is (1/3)*(1/4)*(1/7) ~ 1,18%
Worst case scenario is that it hits three townies: (1/3)*(3/4)*(5/7)*(2/3) ~ 11,19%

The chance of worst case scenario happening for town is almost 10 times higher than scum, if my math is not wrong.

Can you explain me why your plan is better?

Especially as iGrok's plan only has a 33% chance of anyone taking damage, and if it happens, we all take damage in an equal ratio.



End ratio isn't equal. Someone else posted on this. Stand where you want to stand people, don't be directed. No information comes from all of us standing on a single square. Damage outweighs benefits imo. Think that sums well.

NO, HE POSTED THAT THE END RATIOS ARE EQUAL. QUIT BEING OBTUSE.


Don't post in big caps. I was wrong on that, cool. Fact remains we have a smaller buffer. No need to shout. I'm almost 100% iGrok is scum. He doesn't get heated like this usually.

I DO NEED TO POST IN CAPS BECAUSE APPARENTLY IF I DON'T IT FLIES RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD. I'M HAVING TO SMACK YOU IN THE FACE WITH OBVIOUS LOGIC AND YOUR DERPING UP OF THE THREAD IS STARTING TO ANNOY ME.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:05 GMT
#227
Well, this is interesting.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:09 GMT
#239
Um.

There a literally 0 things in the game that would result in me losing .5 stock other than a tornado. (No bombs have been dropped).
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:11 GMT
#240
Ceph go ahead and try to piece it together for me?

List of .5 kp:
Tornado
Link Bomb
Motion Sensor Bomb

I didn't get hit by a tornado
There are no Link Bombs
MSBs act at night (and havent appeared yet anyways)
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:13 GMT
#245
huh. Yeah, thats what happened. I sent in the wrong zone lol. So much for my plan, I can't even follow it (thts what I get for playing from work). Everyone should follow Risen now.
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