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On June 27 2012 06:51 Risen wrote: Damn I wish I had made it in time. QQ /in as a replacement if someone drops Edit (muahahahahahaha): /in as a player too if those last two names on the list are troll names >.> Double Edit (harharharhar): Should update thread title. You're already breaking the rules fool! | ||
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On June 29 2012 07:12 Anacletus wrote: JingleHell makes some extremely valid points. Myles, why are you suddenly trying to defend me? Are you trying to set up and alibi for yourself for if I get killed and turn town? Not really defending you, just wondering why he's taking such a lead when we have nothing to go on. Starting a witch hunt is only going to get innocent people killed me thinks. Also, when did you suggest we start hunting? | ||
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And don't people have to post anyways? Are we going to say anyone who makes small or meaningless posts is a lurker? | ||
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This is a semi-open setup. You will know which roles may appear in the game but not the number. Well, there is at least one vanilla townie. But that's all you know. When I interpret to mean that there can be more than one Heyoka or Complete Asshole and that there might be multiple roles not filled, am I correct? | ||
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On June 29 2012 08:12 Intact wrote: I know it's a bit early to try and make a read, however my short list of possible scum is topped by Myles atm. Primarily because it seems like he wants to promote inactivity. It's a loose read but someone had to get this started. I guess you can call trying to be a little more selective than randomly picking people to start accusing is promoting inactivity, but I was trying to be a little more prudent. The game started 2 hours ago so it seems a bit early to start accusing people. | ||
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I see Anacletus in a similar vein. That 6 out of his first 7 posts were jokes threw up red flags for me, and though his latest posts have been relevant and worthwhile for the most part, I'm still a bit leery. As for lurkers, Monk has posted twice, once to defend himself from JH random accusations. BobTheLob has posted twice, neither time saying too much. Blind-Rawr hasn't posted much either, but his posts have been pretty good. Besides that, everyone else has been pretty active. Now back to work. | ||
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Anyway, I think Anacletus is still suspicious. Despite that, I'm not ready to vote for him yet because I don't think starting off non-serious is that scummy considering there was pretty much nothing to go on, and we still have over a day before night falls. I'd would like to hear some more from him, though. And Fencer, I don't think you're making yourself look very good either. | ||
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Either way, I've been just as active and contributive as most. If you want inactive/non-contributing look at Monk and BobTheLob. They have 5 and 3 posts, respectively. Actually, the fact that BobTheLob has posted almost nothing, and has posted none of his own thoughts, but hoped on the bandwagon of Anacletus is kind of surprising to have not risen red flags. As far as why I stated I'm leaning towards Fencer, it's because nearly his entire post history has been useless. He's done a whole lot of talking about nothing while Anecletus at least contributed a little bit. They top my list as people who could be mafia, but if Bob doesn't speak up I might put him up there, too. | ||
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On July 01 2012 02:09 AmericanUmlaut wrote: Myles: You're right to a certain extent. I was looking at your and Monk's contributions specifically because you were the only two not to have cast a vote. However, just because two players have the same post count doesn't mean they're making the same contribution. The vast majority of your posts so far have been filler that haven't added in any meaningful way to the conversation. For the record, I don't have a scummy read on you, I just feel like you could be contributing more with your posting. JH: Less nuttiness, and more posts like that, please! I for one am persuaded. I still have a scummy read on Anacletus, but actively arguing in favor of a mislynch over no lynch at all is far scummier play than he's demonstrated so far. ##Unvote Anacletus ##Vote Hopeless1der My read on Anacletus isn't changed at this point, though; I still think he's got a good chance of flipping scum. I'm a bit concerned that there might be too many players who will be inactive between now and the lynch, in which case I'll be switching my vote back to Anacletus to prevent a no-lynch. Nearly all of my posts have been about policy or reads, or a question about policy. I still don't see how the are non-contributing. I still wonder why Bob is flying so low below the radar when he's posted nothing expect to bandwagon on Anacletusm, which everyone seemed to ignore. | ||
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Fencer is suspicious, but after looking through all his posts some more, seems more newbish than scum. I'm certainly not going to turn a blind eye, but I'll give him the BotD for now. And despite other people not seeming to care, BobTheLob is quite suspicious to me. Lurker extraordinaire and his last post doesn't elicit much confidence imo. ##Vote Analectus | ||
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On July 01 2012 03:58 AmericanUmlaut wrote: What is your opinion on JH's read on hopeless1der? Why do you feel that Anacletus is a scummier read? I was suspicious of JH at first because of the seemingly chaotic way he accusing people deciding policy, but I agree now that it was just to get people talking so we could go somewhere rather than seriously accusing people. Hopeless seems like he's trying to make the best decision with the information we have. I agree that lynching just for information is bad if we have nothing else to go on, but given that we have a couple suspects, we should definitely be lynching one of them since relying on scum to slip up and make it obvious seems very unlikely at this point. | ||
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On July 01 2012 04:20 Anacletus wrote: Also, why would you hang someone on their birthday? That's just wrong! It's also irrelevant. And I realize there's little someone can say to defend themselves in situations like these, but disappearing for nearly a full day when the FoS is on you doesn't seem to add up. You've given one read on JH, everything else you said was general observations on early mafia games. And your post about people not voting thinking your town doesn't make sense either. If the non-voters were mafia(thus knowing you're town) they would hop on the bandwagon since it was already going strong, and thus not be more suspicious then anyone else. | ||
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On July 01 2012 06:27 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I think we should save discussion for morning. Posting our thoughts during the night just gives the PBUs more information to consider when picking their night hit. Because of what this guy wrote. | ||
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First I think we should look at bandwagoners. I’m sure I’m under suspicion, or more so than before since I got the eye from some posters, for being part of the lynching, but I hope I explained my position enough that I get some BotD. A number of other people barely explained themselves at all before voting. Blind-rawr hopped on the bandwagon without much discussion and voted pretty early, but his subsequent posts explained his position. Intact did pretty much the same, just with a fewer number of posts. Fencer is tied at the top for most suspicions now imo. His overall behavior, combined with his hopping on the bandwagon really early, hopping off when he got some attention, then hopping back on seems really scummy. BobTheLob is right there with him. Lurker who used the same arguments as Fencer, hopped on the bandwagon with no reasoning, and the few posts he has made contributed nothing. The others who voted for Anacletus seem like they had a reasonable position. And while I can’t say we know for sure that those who didn’t vote for him are town, I think it’s really likely because the FoS went so quickly on Anacletus . He didn’t do much to convince us of his innocence, so if they were PBUs it’d be some serious metagaming to start backing off and potentially drawing attention when there was so much support. | ||
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On July 01 2012 08:20 JingleHell wrote: When the vote was secured on a townie, or close to it, why WOULD scum be voting on Anacletus? Maybe some did, but certainly not all of them. In fact, given your general level of suspicious behavior, the fact that you tried to get people to stop posting at night while Hopeless was under the radar, and your conspicuous lack of discussion on my read of Hopeless, I'm really starting to think you're scummy. And since you pointed at Fencer as top on suspicion, I'm dropping him to a notch below Hopeless on my Scum-o-meter. I think the scum would keep on Anecletus to not draw attention to themselves and keep the heat on him. I would agree that is possible one didn't vote for him, I just don't just have a heavy scum read on any of you. I talked about your read of Hopeless when AmericanUmlaut asked me about it, and AmericanUmlaut suggested we not post at night and I thought his reasoning was valid. | ||
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On July 01 2012 08:46 Promethelax wrote: When JH did it there was no discussion and he was trying to start it, I disagree with his methods but not his goals. I know, and I agreed with that before. It was a valid reason to change focus and I think hopeless read on Fencer was as well. | ||
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On July 01 2012 08:47 JingleHell wrote: If you're only going to answer the smallest part of the reasoning, in defense of another person, you're not going to help your own case. This post is clutter at best, and incredibly scummy at worst. I thought that was your reasoning. Going back I see the original contention was about a mislynch vs no lynch, which I think given no information a no lynch is better, but I thought it we had a couple reasonable suspects so it wasn't really an issue. There was also the math thing, but that didn't seem too important since deduction can reveal a lot of info. In the end, I just think that Fencer and Bob are way scummier given they haven't tried to help the town at all - one by posting a lot of useless stuff and the other by barely posting at all. | ||
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On July 01 2012 10:57 Promethelax wrote: The case on Myles (or Myles to go before I sleep): The first page of our young hero's filter is made up of one line posts which range from soft defense of Anacletus So soft you might call it flaccid, to talking about what a newb he is Looking back, it was a bad way to say I didn't like the chaotic way he was going about things. I've already made it clear how I feel about claiming newbie in a newb game, I won't say more on that subject. You'll see in the above post two soft defenses of town players (JH and Anacletus), I don't trust a soft defense it is too easy for mafia to completely ignore the player being looked at and instead talk about something different when the player flips green (which mafia obviously knows they will) the soft defender looks fine since he had nothing to do with killing a townie. That was 6 hours into the game and it seemed revelent. As for a soft defense, again, it was early so I was going on little information, which was mixed. This post: really threw me for a loop since up to this point at least half of Myles posts have been about silly things like set-up and jokes, why claim something that just isn;t true? Maybe he was hoping that no one would read his filter? Well I'm hoping that you will since that is what we need to do to build cases and find scum. Half of my posts have been set up and jokes? Maybe I'm misunderstanding set up, but at that point here's my posts I would on the topic of policy/suspicion + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2012 07:08 Myles wrote: JingleHell, you sure are yippity. And creating quite the distraction... On June 29 2012 07:17 Myles wrote: Not really defending you, just wondering why he's taking such a lead when we have nothing to go on. Starting a witch hunt is only going to get innocent people killed me thinks. Also, when did you suggest we start hunting? On June 29 2012 07:21 Myles wrote: I was going to say... And don't people have to post anyways? Are we going to say anyone who makes small or meaningless posts is a lurker? On June 29 2012 07:35 Myles wrote: How do you witch hunt in way that flushes out the actual scum? I think we need to be a little more deliberate here. When I interpret to mean that there can be more than one Heyoka or Complete Asshole and that there might be multiple roles not filled, am I correct? On June 29 2012 07:51 Myles wrote: I think getting people to talk is a good idea, and if a witch hunt is the only way to that than so be it. And I don't really have a better idea, so witch hunt it is I guess. On June 29 2012 08:16 Myles wrote: I guess you can call trying to be a little more selective than randomly picking people to start accusing is promoting inactivity, but I was trying to be a little more prudent. The game started 2 hours ago so it seems a bit early to start accusing people. On June 29 2012 09:53 Myles wrote: Actually, the fact that Anacletus has made 1 serious post out of 5 since the game started is somewhat suspicious to me as well. On June 29 2012 21:07 Myles wrote: Considering this is my first game, I hadn't put any thought into the idea that JH and Anacletus working together to create misinformation. Though, one of my first instincts when JH took the lead, but didn't really send us in any particular direction other than witch hunts and suggested we not take a very defined course of action, was that it seemed like he was trying to look like he was contributing without really doing so. I see Anacletus in a similar vein. That 6 out of his first 7 posts were jokes threw up red flags for me, and though his latest posts have been relevant and worthwhile for the most part, I'm still a bit leery. As for lurkers, Monk has posted twice, once to defend himself from JH random accusations. BobTheLob has posted twice, neither time saying too much. Blind-Rawr hasn't posted much either, but his posts have been pretty good. Besides that, everyone else has been pretty active. Now back to work. On July 01 2012 00:44 Myles wrote: Umlaut, I don't understand how you could consider me inactive with non-contributing posts. I was one of the first people to question Anecletus for being so non-serious and have 10 posts, which is only a couple less than you; and while they're not essays on meta analysis, I think they do provide some insight into how people are acting. Either way, I've been just as active and contributive as most. If you want inactive/non-contributing look at Monk and BobTheLob. They have 5 and 3 posts, respectively. Actually, the fact that BobTheLob has posted almost nothing, and has posted none of his own thoughts, but hoped on the bandwagon of Anacletus is kind of surprising to have not risen red flags. As far as why I stated I'm leaning towards Fencer, it's because nearly his entire post history has been useless. He's done a whole lot of talking about nothing while Anecletus at least contributed a little bit. They top my list as people who could be mafia, but if Bob doesn't speak up I might put him up there, too. vs posts that didn't say much/anything + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2012 12:14 Myles wrote: I'm going to bed and have work in the morning so now don't anybody freak out if I don't post for 12 hours or so. But my thoughts on Anacletus are at the top of the page and he hasn't done anything to lesson that. On June 30 2012 01:47 Myles wrote: Sarcasm really doesn't work over the interwebs -_- Even as newbie, I thought it was obvious it's nearly impossible to have 3 pages of notes on people when the game had only been open for a couple hours. Anyway, I think Anacletus is still suspicious. Despite that, I'm not ready to vote for him yet because I don't think starting off non-serious is that scummy considering there was pretty much nothing to go on, and we still have over a day before night falls. I'd would like to hear some more from him, though. And Fencer, I don't think you're making yourself look very good either. Here Myles lies again When in fact Anacletus had given three reads as I have shown earlier. Maybe he was exaggerating for dramatic effect? Its possible and if that was the case I wouldn't hold it against him. Maybe this is a difference in opinion. This is the only post of his I think is a read on a player. + Show Spoiler + On June 29 2012 12:36 Anacletus wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347856¤tpage=8#155 If you actually thought that this was true... I think JingleHell is playing aggressively which leads me to believe that he is a townie. I only made the one about any supposed notes, the thread has 10 pages. So no, I am not filling the thread with trash about notes. Do you know what Myles had to say about the fact that we mislynched our JK? Do you? No? Well let me let him tell you: that is it, his first post after the night post in its entirety. Seriously? I was pissed, others were disappointed and Myles just looked at his watch. There's no real good way to post after we fucked up imo. No matter what I posted there it could be interpreted as an albi or not caring. I've bolded a key phrase in this next post I'd like you to think about that, he hopes he has explained himself enough to get the benefit of the doubt. Not that he hopes to prove that he is town or that someone else is scum he just wants to have a respite from being attacked, he wants us to lay off of him and give him a break even though his posts were scummy. He wants the benefit of the doubt but hasn't proved why he should get it. JH had taken an interest in me because I thought Umlaut's proposal made some sense and had answered his question that I didn't think Hopeless's posts were that scummy. I didn't even make a big defense of him, just answered a question on what I though about him and then defended my position when JH questioned it. I realize I'm just tooting my own horn here but I thnk people might have missed this read the whole thing. Myles says that he JH did the same thing as fencer so it isn't scummy and, when I mentioned why JH did that Myles was quick to back off while citing a previous agreement with the reasoning. He tried to make JH lay off of Fencer but somehow forgot that he has to remain consistent with his own opinions. So read this and make up your own mind, why is Myles posting this way?Is he just stopping here to watch this thread fill up with spam or does he know whose town this is and Myles has to go? Pre-edit: I really wanted to make that Robert Frost reference but I don't think it was very good, ah well. JH: okay I'll assume Bob is being useless and not scummy right now. I'm still keeping an eye on him though. I really don't get this one. I said changing votes based on new info doesn't seem scummy and I never asked JH to back off Fencer as he was the 2nd on my list for a while. I said that Hopeless's change was based off new info so not scummy, the same way that JH had changed many times, early due to trying to create discussion, and later on when he felt Hopeless was incriminating himself, and I don't think that's scummy. On the other hand, Fencer bandwagoned on the Anecletus lynch, quickly changed his mind when blind-rawr mention lurkers, then hopped right back on as soon as someone else voted. That seems a lot more suspicious to me. And I'll make the Robert Frost reference for you considering I've heard it a million times. Miles to go before I sleep. 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JH had taken an interest in me because I thought Umlaut's proposal made some sense and had answered his question that I didn't think Hopeless's posts were that scummy. I didn't even make a big defense of him, just answered a question on what I though about him and then defended my position when JH questioned it. That part there is inaccurate. JH hadn't begin to seriously accuse me yet. I got things wrong I think due to be flustered by the all the suspicion being thrown at me. Remembering correctly, I just figured since I was pointed at a bit before that I would be likely to fingered again. By adding it in there it only made things worse, I guess, and this probably only seals my fate. | ||
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Intact also posted this On July 01 2012 10:23 Intact wrote: And never posted again after being fingered by Anacletus. So I see that there is some doubt about me and my posting. I'll try adress that in a couple of hours when I wake up. Just got home from a nightclub so trying to make sense seems like a bad idea right now. | ||
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On July 02 2012 09:11 Intact wrote: This is very convenient after posting that he'll make a statement, then a heavy FoS goes on Hopeless and I, and he never makes said post. I would consider this enough of a reason to go through the hassle of posting from a phone. Pushing things back to tomorrow seems like more delaying so that shit can hit the fan in someone else's direction. First because he just got back from the nightclub, and now because his home internet is out.Sorry for my inactivity, internet died and It's quite annoying trying to write long texts from my phone. ISP says it will be fixed by tomorrow. And that Fencer is so quick to cast his vote makes him still suspicious to me. In this case it's pretty bandwagony and makes it easy for other people to jump on. | ||
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Bob has also started posting a bit, but hasn't said anything too relevant except for the one summary post where his only read other than 'uh, I'm not sure' was on JH and Prom when they probably had the least cause to be suspicious. In his posts sense then only this+ Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 07:24 BobTheLob wrote: Lets overthink this a bit. JH could have been killed so that he would shut up OR he so that we would be thrown off the trail of the real Scum. So it could be someone he said it was OR the opposite. (In the same boat with promethelax but with Rum+coke>beer) About Fencer, I'm still suspicious. His last 'read' in particular was pretty much a rehash of the already summarized lurkers. He made a lengthy post on Prom, who along with Umlaut seem like the most established townie with have left. He also FoS'd on Intact in the same post, based on Anacletus vote, but that seems legit since Intact's posting is quite suspicious. So for now, this is my list of most suspicious from highest to lowest: Intact Fencer Bob Could be town or not: Hopeless iamperfection blind-rawr Looks like town: Promethelax AmericanUmlaut And was no one really watching JH despite being a pretty obvious target? Are we going to get anything at all to go off of? And where's our damn replacement? | ||
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On July 03 2012 00:28 AmericanUmlaut wrote: What is your basis for Bob being more suspect than Hopeless? (By the way, I made a post in the ABL thread about getting a replacement in for Monk, hopefully someone responds soon.) Bob is flying too low below the radar. Hopeless is iffy due to some of his early reasoning and the quick flip flop on the policy lynch of lurkers, but he's been providing a lot of info and taken a lot of heat while still keeping it up. It makes me a lot more hesitant than bob who has lived off the dumb scared newb label. | ||
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If I was DT I would have check Hopeless or myself. We were taking the most heat from people last night and I think it makes sense to be able to confirm/deny the accusations as early as possible. There's too many lurkers to try and take a chance on them, and I'm not sure the heat on Intact started early enough to make a difference. Fencar would be another good choice, but over the night he had also kind of fallen below the radar like Bob due to all the FoS JH was doing, and his scummyness comes more from his posting style than actual scummy stuff he's said(until now at least). And I know it's possible we don't have a watcher, but given that this is a newb game I would hope the deck didn't get completely stacked against us - that seems like a pretty critical role right under DT and medic. And as much as you and JH were working well together, he was definitely the lead and seemed would be the #1 target for the medic, watcher, and pbu's - assuming we have the first 2. You would have been second, imo, but a pretty clear 2nd. Fencar dropping out doesn't remove any of my suspicion, either. He did a poor job defending himself, has bandwagoned both votes, then when questions keep coming(as I would think anyone who isn't Prom, and maybe Umlaut, should expect) decides that's he done enough to make up for his initial mistake(which I would argue put him under less suspicion than me or Hopeless, he just kept a lot of the same activities that had people eyeing him before) and is over it. It's not conclusive, but nothing there tells me he is a fed up townsperson who did everything they could to help out. | ||
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On July 03 2012 10:16 Intact wrote: I don't want to speak for the rest of the town, but that hold's no credibility with me.I've been on the phone with my isp all day, if stuff isnt working soon I will have to ask for replacement. Cant make any serious posts from my cellphone. Also, I'm still wondering where the other lurkers are. It's been a lot of the same people posting for a while now and it'd be nice to get some insight from iamperfection, blind-rawr, and bobthelob - who I hope doesn't think I forgotten about in the mists of his low altitude. We're also still waiting for our new member's first contribution. | ||
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Another interesting thing I just noticed, Fencar was the first to vote and Anecletus which was followed his quickly unvoting as has been discussed before. But you know what I think was glossed over, the vote that got him back on the bandwagon - Intact's. | ||
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On June 29 2012 21:37 Intact wrote: My first guess was Myles, however he is no longer on top of the list(although I will keep an eye on him). I'm leaning mostly towards Analectus, his posts contain very little of value and seems more like a way to avoid being branded a lurker. And like I said before I have seen scum play that is similar to what JH and Analectus is doing. On June 29 2012 23:28 Intact wrote: ##Vote Analectus On June 30 2012 10:29 Intact wrote: I'm going to stand by my read as analectus being scum but I have also become very suspicious of promethelax. People may have been bandwagoning analectus but as soon as he got into lynching territory promethelax show up with a long thread pointing out someone else, thereby making some people switch vote. This causes divisions and tensions among the town which is exactly what the scum want. I lean more towards fencer just playing badly and promethelax trying to save his scum partner analectus. Also, why are you claiming ignorance with this post + Show Spoiler + Here, my only defence is poor play, which admittedly is not a very strong case. I'd like to remind you that this is my first ever game of mafia and at the time this did seems completely logical to me, although I've figured out that I assume way to much | ||
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so that it says "Also, why are you claiming ignorance with this post + Show Spoiler + when one of your first reads" | ||
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I think I'm reading him above Bob in my Scum-o-meter now, but Intact still seems like a more solid choice. His posting has been all around abysmal and his excuses are lame. I'm going to be around right until nightfall so I won't be voting just yet, but I'm heavily learning towards Intact right now. | ||
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On July 04 2012 06:06 Intact wrote: Seriously guys, you made the exact same misstake 2 times in a row. WHen will you learn. And for the record, eveything I said was true. Yea, we did, but it doesn't help at all when you clam up and stop posting when put under the gun, after barely posting at all to begin with. I'm pretty fucking frustrated right now. | ||
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And since a few people brought it up, my outburst on N2 was because I pretty confident Intact was scum, was wrong, and have greatly contributed to our own demise with my wrong reads/votes; plus we have no information from blues and can't be sure about anything - that's really frustrating. | ||
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AU, you make some strong points imo. If you and Prom are town, which I'm inclined to believe right now, there's no reason for the scum not to at least test the waters. That there was almost no support besides you two seems far more meaningful than any of reads we've made so far. Unless something else significant comes along, I think that will influence my vote the most since words are up for interpretation, but actions speak louder. I also think Bob's vote on himself is telling. He's played the dumb newb card pretty well, but how would you not realize putting two votes on yourself is not the way to cause a no-lynch? I think that was a scum slip. Bob and Hopeless have my FoS. | ||
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It's hard to make a solid case for bob or perfection one way or another, so it's basically down to process of elimination. I've had a town read on Prom for a while now. Umalut's last minute change makes me pretty certain he's town. And Keirathi saying his investigation revealed town on me after he was initially quite suspicious makes me think his role claim is legit - that, or we don't have a dt which seems incomprehensible for a newb game. I still think bob voting himself is a tell that he is scum. My reasoning is that a real townie, even a dumb one, would consider the fact that putting a second vote on themselves makes it possible for scum to hop on and seal the lynch in that situation. Since he is scum it didn't cross his mind because he was focused on looking pro-town and going along with the no-lynch. | ||
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On July 08 2012 08:37 Keirathi wrote: AmericanUmlaut suggested that we all vote for ourselves a while back when I mentioned that we would all have to have different votes for a no-lynch to work. Assuming he read that and remembered it, it was not necessarily a scum slip, just not paying attention and thought that was still the plan. That's why I think it was a slip, because an actual townie would be paying attention to fact that they opened to door to getting themselves lynched. | ||
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On July 10 2012 06:02 Keirathi wrote: Rofl wtf. That's such a weird play that its funny, even if you are scum and just wanted the no-lynch instead of the hammer. Maybe we were both wrong and Prom and Hopeless are both scum. | ||
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On July 10 2012 06:10 AmericanUmlaut wrote: That's really, really weird. He requested a ban right after he bailed on the game - maybe something serious came up in real life and he just had to cut off contact with TL? He requested a ban shortly afterwards. Something serious did come up, but that really fucked us. | ||
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