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On June 26 2012 00:33 marvellosity wrote: :/ I've swung around again. I really think VE is scum, or actually quite possibly SK. I'm making my town tell on his emotion to a null tell. He proved in LI he can get all 'emotional' as scum. Firstly I just can't get over the way he pushed me. Ok, so we've established he thinks I'm totes amazing scummer. It makes absolutely no sense to me how he thinks someone as good at scumplay as I am would get myself into this situation. xscsc summarised it quite nicely: This is the crux of it, and xcksc hasn't even seen my scumplay, but he understands. Yet VE who saw me trash town in LIV and LV as scum does not see it. You can't just say "I wouldn't do that as scum" as some kind of evidence that you're not doing it this game as scum mar. I don't care how many other people interpret it the same as how you're selling it, a really good scummer can pull this shit off. As you're so keen on pointing out, yes I coached you in your first game here (or something..second, third, I thought it was your first). In that, what I told you was "Sometimes WIFOM can be your friend". ……….wait for it…. ……..THE SAME GOES FOR SCUM! CHRIST! You're acting as if scum always only make the optimal play ever. This is something that I can't even wrap my brain around, because of what you're accusing me of. But we'll get to that in a bit. The point is this: "Marvellosity's defense is that he would never act this scummy as scum. He feels as though because he's playing in a scummy way, that somehow excludes him entirely from being scum, period." The funniest part about this defense is that he has to admit to acting scummy in the first place. Marvellosity admits freely that his play so far has been scummy. This doesn't add up. Clearly sidestepping Matt's question WAS NOT the correct scumplay. Just look at what's happened. There's a mental disconnect going on. First paragraph is just trite, it says nothing. He's just explaining the wincon for a townie and scummer. I commented before on the 2nd part. Calling me out for finding him scummy, calling himself town. It's manipulative. When I accused him before, I wasn't calling him scum because I was town. I'd said I had the perspective of 100% knowing I was town that others did not. I simply did not say he was scum because he was accusing me. Twisted my words. This whole section is all about my read of him - and how it couldn't possibly be right. Nothing in here is indicative of me being scum except for possibly the bolded statement. But you'll notice if you read the quote I was referring to that I didn't twist his words at all…in fact, he's accused me of this before and I responded to it already. Take a look for yourself. + Show Spoiler + On June 23 2012 07:07 marvellosity wrote: I don't know how to push my VE read because a lot of it is based on the fact that I know my alignment 100% and no-one else does. Basically he picked up on something that shouldn't have been *that* important, and crusaded/tunneled on it ad infinitum. He hasn't paused to look for the alternative explanation, he's just blindly going down the same alley. I think a townplaying VE would be more actively considering the idea that I was town rather than pushing me like he is. Gonna get a bit egotistical for a minute - it feels like he's trying to get rid of me at an opportune moment on the back of something that he's exploded out of proportion. I got tunneled into oblivion by Blazinghand in LI and I get a totally different feeling about it now. There I had a clear townread on BH because of the nature of it. Every time I see VE post I see him try to twist my words a little. I said this about meapak in bang bang - it's either weak ass townie play or it's scummy play, and I think it's scummy play. On June 26 2012 00:33 marvellosity wrote: On the day 1 lynch: Realising he's not gonna get me through, he turns his attention to Zentor. Subsequently: This is where it all gets odd. He doesn't want to lynch Zentor, and lists 3 other people. Who doesn't he name? The other leading candidiate, rastaban. He is realistically the only alternative, but nothing. Compare - slOosh was trying really hard to get people to switch from Zentor to rastaban, but VE? nothing. Let's see if VE ever talks about rastaban: This is it. Nothing else. He never lets us know what he thinks of the alternative lynch candidate, despite promising to, and despite saying he didn't want to lynch Zentor. It's a half-assed, not-real attempt. Except VE never tries to make ANYTHING happen. He says this and disappears. I also feel like his pushing of prplhz is a sham. He came straight from LV where two townies pushed hard for a policy lynch on a player they disliked. He should know this isn't a scumtell. But it looks good to push someone on wanting a policy lynch like that, doesn't it? Conclusion: All his scumhunting is a sham. He knows and states I'm an excellent scum player, but somehow then thinks I would come into this game as scum and play scummily. He twists my words. He never talks about rastaban despite promising to, despite saying he didn't want to lynch Zentor and rastaban being the main alternative. In fact he never pushes any alternative. Pushes prplhz because it's an easy thing to do. I think VE is scum (or SK :D) The rest of this is him calling me scum for not trying to push an alternative lynch. Fucking sorry, I gave my preferences, and no one seemed interested. I even added to my few after prplhz came in with a decent point on Zeph and said I could lynch him too. I did everything I could to accomodate an alternative lynch aside from settling on someone I didn't read as scum...which was the entire point of switching off Zentor in the first place. So I left my vote. That's it. That's Marv's case against me. Yes, rastaban was the only other person who could have gotten lynched yesterday. The fact that I didn't vote for him when I said I didn't want to vote Zentor is NOT scummy because I had a town read on Rastaban. I don't care what Marv wants to sell you, the fact is that I didn't find rasta particularly scummy so I didn't want to vote for him. I was already voting for someone I didn't find particularly scummy, so there was literally no reason for me to change my vote. | ||
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But marv....I'm acting like, SO SCUMMY right? By ignoring your case, and talking to you about it, and dismissing it entirely. Doesn't that indicate a complete lack of fear Marv? Doesn't that indicate a complete lack of concern about your little push on me that isn't going anywhere? Isn't my fearlessness a complete town-tell? Because what scum would bring that kind of attention on themselves, right? Right? | ||
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Did you leave anything else out that you wanted to share? Because it's hard to respond to a case that isn't complete. :/ | ||
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Anyway, like you, I'm done "shitting up the thread" as you call it. <3 | ||
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On June 22 2012 07:16 marvellosity wrote: you may quiz me and i will answer your questions. On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote: I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first. This is important: the way I see it, a townMarv would be very interested indeed in trying to establish his innocence. I can't think of a town motivation for him answering Matt's question by A) immediately buddying him and B) not answering the question. First of all, if he liked the question so much, why didn't he answer it? What about the question did he like? What aspect of the question WAS there to like? I'll tell you. Matty's question was good because it was a hard one for scum to fake an answer to. A scum player is forced to evaluate his own scum play and contrast it with his town play - which is exactly the LAST thing scum want to do. Why? Because they would rather town not know what the differences are! So the question remains: what town motivation is there for asking Matt's opinion first? Keep in mind, it was MARV'S IDEA to ask him questions and he promised he'd answer them. However, not only does he NOT answer Matt's question, he turns the question back on Matty and asks what the answer he would give was. So why? Why would he want Matt's evaluation of his scum play? And in what way is that going to help marv find scum? It's certainly not going to tell him anything about Mattchew: it was Mattchew's question, so whether he's able to answer it or not is completely irrelevant. The question was for Marv, and Marv was unable/unwilling to answer it. In spite of JUST saying that was what he wanted to do. Contradictory. Scummy. On June 22 2012 07:34 marvellosity wrote: here's a clue count how many times anyone said i said or even hinted at anything scummy in LV see the pressure i was under at the start in magic at the start for wanting to shoot NT off the bat compare to current situation profit Here is his "answer" to the question: a vague meta formula that equates to "if I'm doing scummy things, I'm town. If I appear town, I'm scum". .........really? REALLY? After all that, marv's answer ended up being "If you think I'm scum I'm not, if you don't I am". OKAY! GOT IT! HOW COULD WE HAVE BEEN SO STUPID TO THINK OTHERWISE?! This is literally the worst answer he could have given to Matt's question - and it's literally the reason I'm certain he's scum. It's contradictory and it's scummy. On June 22 2012 07:29 marvellosity wrote: I like this question a lot. I think there are a couple of possible tells. But tell me what you think first. On June 22 2012 07:34 marvellosity wrote: here's a clue count how many times anyone said i said or even hinted at anything scummy in LV see the pressure i was under at the start in magic at the start for wanting to shoot NT off the bat compare to current situation profit On June 22 2012 09:46 marvellosity wrote: one was a defence, one was not. do you see yet? i didn't encourage people to leave the thread to read other games. i said i never said anything scummy in LV and I pointed out explicitly the scummy thing I was pressured for in magic. the whole original question was on meta, and now you're pushing me for defending on meta? really? What's funny about this is that he straight up LIES to the thread. He says he doesn't encourage anyone to leave the thread and read other games. Except, he does! Look at the bolded statements - does that seem like he's giving clear answers or does it seem like he's pointing you in the direction vaguely of the answer? To me, it reads like he wants you to go do the research yourself. But why? Why can't he just come out and say what he means, "I don't do scummy things when I'm scum, and I do when I'm town". Wouldn't that be a much easier and clearer way to get his point across then all of this nonsense? It's a simple idea that could have been conveyed simply...but he instead opts to shroud it in mystery and intrigue, it's not clear, it's fucking scummy as shit. His whole attitude at the beginning of the game reeked of scum trying to put an air of nonchalance into his post. I saw through that shit, so luckily we get to lynch scum today. I encourage everyone to go through Marv's posts and count how many times he has to say something along the lines of "Do you really think I'd be doing this if I were scum?" Go on, count. It's probably a dumb number that warrants an explanation. Vote Marv. He's obviously scum at this point. | ||
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On June 26 2012 09:56 prplhz wrote: VisceraEyes marvellosity How do you feel about risk.nuke? I found his agreement with you re: Zeph odd, and considering his read of me at the time (towniest town that ever towned) and my comment to you regarding Zeph, I find it interesting that he wasn't more on-board with switching to Zeph. If he'd shown any interest at the time, I totally would have taken that as a cue to switch my vote, but he just jumps onboard Rast. Could be OMGUS, could be something more sinister. Eh...ultimately I'd say leaning scum. Not much has changed between yesterday and today where risk is concerned except what I just outlined. :/ | ||
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On June 26 2012 10:27 marvellosity wrote: Now that it's day 2 I can smile at stuff like this. The way you even phrase this basically leads on to suggest I claimed scum by being evasive. If that's genuinely what you think I would have done as scum, then I can only shake my head in disbelief and shrug. The possibility exists that you didn't understand fully the implications of the question Mattchew asked - that you didn't realize that by reacting in the way you did you would be viewed as so scummy. So shake your head and smile all you want - hopefully after you hang it will be my turn to shake my head and smile. <3 | ||
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On June 26 2012 10:47 marvellosity wrote: Then you genuinely do somehow underestimate my scumplay despite touting it so much. That remains to be seen, friend. | ||
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For my part, I have to admit that his poor play this game doesn't make sense to me from any perspective. Maybe Matt's right, maybe he's SK or something...but I just can't bring myself to think that he's town. I've tried. | ||
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@Mattchew i have to concur with Snarfs at this point - why do you feel rastaban is "a better lynch" when there's already an established wagon on marvel? If marvel is one of your scumreads and there's a wagon on him, that should make him "a better lynch" , no? | ||
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Anyway, I'm not talking specifically about you or anything Prob, why get defensive like that? YOU SCUM BRO?  Tell me your thoughts on rastaban Prob - I'm going to go look at him and give you my thoughts. Rastaban was slOosh's lynch choice and he died - I mean, slOosh wasn't really emanating blue by any means, he was either killed because he was on the right track or because someone (scum or SK) is pushing some sort of agenda (in my opinion). | ||
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I feel like he's tried to contribute with his thoughts on what's happening, and I think he's got a decent scumread in risk.nuke. | ||
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