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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 29 2012 11:53 GMT
#1504
I don't even get why you think Snarfs is scum but I guess it's more likely than not in 3-3-1. I can't focus on finding 3 scum and an SK, you find one scum at a time.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 29 2012 15:20 GMT
#1522
We kill scum tonight it's 3-2-1 night.

Say scum hits townie and blocks SK, it's 2-2-1. Okay we lynch scum again 2-1-1.

Scum doesn't want to shoot a townie in this situation because then he'll lose to SK. SK can shoot townie but then he'll get in a draw with scum if scum hits him I believe. The best actions for everybody on this night (if they want to win) is that scum shoots SK and hope that SK misses him for a draw, and SK shoots scum and doesn't care what else happens and then we'll be in 2-1(SK) situation.

This only requires us to scum hunt today which is the most reliable thing we can do. I don't like this roleblocker thing one bit and we can do that tomorrow if we absolutely have to. There's no reason to compromise on our scum reads today to kill roleblocker. It's a lot better to be sure to kill scum and then get another day and more time in similar situation.

From 3-2-1, scum hits SK and blocks SK. It's 3-2-1 and we have a situation like today except the SK is a lot weaker to scum which doesn't benefit town. We still need to lynch scum on this day even though we didn't get roleblocker so we have another shot at killing him here.

From 3-2-1, scum doesn't block SK, then it didn't matter if we lynched roleblocker anyway.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 29 2012 15:22 GMT
#1525
Yea, I read the thread again and I don't know, I got Shraft+Mattchew scum team and remaining scum + SK in Snarfs/rastaban just by elimination. I have no idea how to look for SK and I was kind hoping he'd just go away or something.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 29 2012 15:23 GMT
#1526
How did you get your SK read marvellosity?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 29 2012 15:55 GMT
#1532
I don't want to follow your plan marvellosity.

##Vote Shraft

I think it's more likely that the SK appears less scummy than everybody else and Shraft is easily the scummiest in the thread and if we lynch SK then we lose.

gl hf
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 29 2012 15:59 GMT
#1534
Scum always look scummy.

That's how it's possible to play this game.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 29 2012 19:06 GMT
#1544
##Vote Snarfs

Last post today.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 30 2012 14:49 GMT
#1563
You should give us your reads if you have any marvellosity 'cause you're probably dead tomorrow if anybody wants to shoot a townie.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 01 2012 00:22 GMT
#1582
[image loading]
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 01 2012 02:00 GMT
#1586
##Vote no-lynch
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 09:01:55
July 01 2012 08:48 GMT
#1608
k I think that this analysis contains a little too much VisceraEyes bashing. He didn't play well, we absolutely get that. He caused a huge distraction for town that could easily have led to their loss. Half of your analysis is focusing on this (the rest of us also want some attention!).

I don't think that town could have figured out my alignment very well on day1 (maybe partly because my town is bad but that's irrelevant) because suggesting a policy lynch 5 minutes into the game is generally not something scum do. They can prod me with it (and they did!) but then I just made up a dumb case and that's generally not something scum will do either when faced with the very simple logic: we don't lynch people just because you don't like them. I imagine scum will say "alright" and back off instead of just start making a dumb case. When zentor ends up getting lynched with 8 votes they can't even blame me for leading that lynch.

The only way I think I could have been caught for sure was this post by VisceraEyes:

+ Show Spoiler +
On June 22 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
prplhz is good town player. I say this not because he's often right (because he's not) but because he's often very transparently town, like me.

Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II

My first game with prplhz. His play is much better these days, but this is a good illustration of what I mean when I say a good town player. Contributing, honest and willing to talk about things. Open with his suspicions, and reacts decently to pressure (ironically, I thought he was scum and tunneled him pretty bad.)

Furthermore, I don't think prplhz is the type of player to bring a grudge like that between games. He's not that kind of player, and has been around long enough to know that's a losing strategy. He's putting on a show. I think so because look at how he reacts to my interaction with it.

To be honest, I like my vote where it's at...I just don't want to stop scumhunting with marvel.

The bolded statement is very true, when I saw that zentor was in the game I thought "well, lets just make a fresh start" but then I thought "meh, I'll just tunnel the shit out of him because I'm scum and I have a semi-legitimate reason".

I think scum's biggest mistake was that we didn't shoot marvellosity on night3. We were pretty sure that he'd shoot VisceraEyes but somehow we didn't predict that that would make him confirmed town and that everybody would be very likely to just sheep him allowing for zero manipulation. If we had shot him then people might have sheeped Probulous on whatever but that was more unlikely since he would not be confirmed and with a mislynch scum would be in a decent position (we would probably have squandered it but anyway).

slOosh and rastaban both played well. Like pointed out, slOosh was susceptible to manipulation with his Snarfs read (I think he backed off of Snarfs because I called him null-leaning-town and there wasn't any other support for it either) and he'll just need to change that. I don't know if making small posts or big posts in trying to manipulate town into lynching the guy you want lynched is anything town needs to work on as long as you're making yourself clear.

Scum thought that Shraft was the serial killer until the end and I think rastaban did a good job hiding. This could have won him the game if he'd just been a little better at hitting scum with his shots (shooting scum instead of Shraft would lead to 2-1-1 with rastaban on two lives which would be winning position for him if remaining scum would shoot Shraft thinking that he was the SK).

marvellosity made a huge comeback but I think that having a 23 page filter in a 75 pages 12 player game is way too much and absolutely unnecessary. You'll do a lot better cutting down on that.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 01 2012 09:37 GMT
#1610
I respectfully disagree!

Two reasons (policy + scummy) to lynch someone is better than one (scummy)!

You can have a weaker scum read that you don't talk about. That's perfectly okay. Some people talked about the timing and that was probably right, I made the Zephirdd post 'cause I was afraid people would go after me for not doing anything but tunneling zentor. As a townie I probably wouldn't be afraid and I wouldn't post the Zephirdd case at that time (I would wait until the night deadline or I would accompany it with a vote), but as a townie that would probably have gotten me lynched for only tunneling zentor (but as a townie I wouldn't have done that anyway so )
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 01 2012 09:51 GMT
#1611
marvellosity shouldn't have shot VisceraEyes because it was pretty obvious that VisceraEyes wasn't scum. If he was scum then he would have lynched marvellosity when he had the chance for being vigilante who wanted to shoot him. Backing out of that should make it pretty clear to marvellosity that VisceraEyes was town.

Really well done on the roleblocker lynch though, no clue how you pulled that off ('cause you refused to tell me other than "I spent 4 hours figuring it out!" ).
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-01 12:14:56
July 01 2012 12:09 GMT
#1614
I don't really care how many posts VisceraEyes had. He tunneled a townie for no reason, big deal, you're even making this somewhat personal when you (rather hilariously ironically) say that it was due to his "inflated ego".

That last scenario is wildly speculative. You can't just say "if part of the game didn't happen but everybody else played the same then this and that would have happened" because I doubt anybody would have played the same if VisceraEyes/marvellosity wasn't going on. You can't just take something out and leave the rest in because the rest will of course have changed too. At the same time you are suggesting that there would have been no mislynches at all if VisceraEyes/marvellosity hadn't been going on. I really doubt that and you should know it's not that easy to find scum, I have never seen you pick out scum teams on day1.

The main job of the host is to make the game enjoyable for everybody and you did a really great job as usual except for the postgame analysis (well, mostly the Obs QT).
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
July 01 2012 19:52 GMT
#1621
oh... well at least i did
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-02 10:26:11
July 02 2012 10:25 GMT
#1642
Yea I agree that we were handed this game on a silver platter by the VisceraEyes/marvellosity debacle and SK shooting into townies but we failed at LYLO. The two biggest things we did wrong was shoot Probulous over marvellosity. With a confirmed townie alive it is very hard to manipulate anything. We also talked in the QT about having Snarfs claim SK when he was up for lynch but that never amounted to anything.

Thanks for the analysis.
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