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Here are the scenarios as I seem them (speaking from the perspective that you actually have a shot and will use it tonight and are going to call your shot) if you shoot Matt.
1) Matt is town
- Scum will either allow you to kill him and it would have been a mislynch yesterday anyway. Your shot pseudo confirms your claim
- or scum will RB you
2) Matt is scum
- Scum will either RB you
- Or scum will let you kill Matt. -1 scum, your shot pseudo confirms your claim.
3) Matt is SK
- If he hasn't been shot yet, and he chose 1 shot bulletproof, then he might soak it up.
- Scum might RB you
In either scenario, you either soak up an RB or your shot goes through and you're pseudo confirmed. In this way, we either get to flip Matt or get information through other night-actions that may exist. In 3, if you shoot him, he lives and you're not notified of RB then you'll know you've found SK unless someone claims medic who protected him (because we do NOT get hit notifications)
Am I missing anything?
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On June 28 2012 06:11 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 06:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here are the scenarios as I seem them (speaking from the perspective that you actually have a shot and will use it tonight and are going to call your shot) if you shoot Matt.
1) VE is town
- Scum will either allow you to kill him and it would have been a mislynch yesterday anyway. Your shot pseudo confirms your claim
- or scum will RB you
2) VE is scum
- Scum will either RB you
- Or scum will let you kill VE. -1 scum, your shot pseudo confirms your claim.
3) VE is SK
- If he hasn't been shot yet, and he chose 1 shot bulletproof, then he might soak it up.
- Scum might RB you
In either scenario, you either soak up an RB or your shot goes through and you're pseudo confirmed. In this way, we either get to flip Matt or get information through other night-actions that may exist. In 3, if you shoot him, he lives and you're not notified of RB then you'll know you've found SK unless someone claims medic who protected him (because we do NOT get hit notifications)
Am I missing anything? You could literally do this of anyone.. see
I wasn't on the block yesterday Matt, you were. You missed the point entirely.
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Splendid. Good work marv.
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On June 28 2012 06:35 marvellosity wrote:
VE, you've destroyed this town (with my help admittedly)
Now, that doesn't matter so much if your reads are correct. However you were just flat out wrong on me and town is probably going to lose this whole game because you made a bad read on me.
If you're scum, good. If you're town, meh.
If you really shot at me, you know for a fact that this statement is not only patently false, but completely unfair.
But yeah, good luck the rest of the game.
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Oh, and our cop was checking me tonight, so yeah - fun times.
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I caused a no-lynch. I've (with your help) destroyed the thread. I'm like, the most amazing cop check in the world tonight. Incidentally, that makes me the greatest frame target in the world as well, so *shrug*
It's probably better that I die anyway.
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And things don't prove anything Matt, actions do. Like, your absence should have made your contributions better when you're here...but they haven't. But you sure are keen to whip out pictures proving your story...like that means ANYTHING about whether you're scum or not.
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*sigh*
Well if you want to destroy the thread, do it without me.
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I also prefer a Matthchew lynch - or a prplhz lynch, or a risk.nuke lynch.
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There's a reason marv is doing all this now, before the daypost...I'm trying to figure out what it could be. :/
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Maybe he knows I'm going to flip...maybe he's scum and knows scum shot at me. :/
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Why is he doing this then? He's so convincing.
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I post a lot. Regardless of alignment. Bugs doesn't like it. A lot of people don't like it. I'm working on it.
Sorry guys.
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The fact of the matter is that prplhz is right - the reason I was posting so much with/at marv is because I wanted to believe that he was town, and his activity (ie, arguing with me) made me believe he was, while his actions/behavior led me to believe otherwise.
But Bugs is right in that nothing else could feasibly be expected to occur. For that, I apologize.
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On July 03 2012 07:12 Probulous wrote:Bugs ->  You're a champ mate. I agree that slOosh's point about the size of the game was crucial and it was something I missed in game and post game. I understand now why marvel's play made little sense for scum in this particular game. Sorry Marv, you were saying this but I wasn't getting it. As Bugs says, you are one of those people I know could pull this kind of stunt off which is why it was in my realm of possibility. I like the idea of going back to the source of a fight. I did a bit on day 1 but got caught up in the Marv thing. In that situation is it better to try and work out the alignments of the people throwing shit, or to just ignore it and look elsewhere for scum? I had real trouble trying to divorce myself from looking at Marv's filter because I felt the game hinged on his alignment and so I had to get a read on him. Maybe I should have just given up and looked harder elsewhere. I always thought Mattchew was suspicious but I never really pushed him until day 2. That was a casualty of my preoccupation with Marv.
As was my suspicion of prplhz. We reap what we sow. 
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If you're able, it's best to ignore it. Most people aren't able though.
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We do what we must to get the scums lynched.
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As I said, I'm thankful my shenanigans didn't stop you from trying once I was gone.
e: although to be fair you should have shot Matt. We could have destroyed them together. TOGETHER!
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