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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
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WereBugs-Go
Korea (South)172 Posts
On June 28 2012 08:07 Oberyn wrote: Well...Greymist doesn't have any lands left...so I don't see why we would need scum's help >_> <_< Although being serious, I can't see anyone other than Zealos (if he's scum) completely object with this plan if EVERYBODY else agrees with it (those that give land of course). By the way I planned it up there, Zealos can only object to ME having the "Cloned" 8/8 beast, not Nova having it. If everybody except him agrees....we can threaten to use Nova's beast on him if he doesn't. Yes, we should discuss it all we want, as much as we can. We have all the time in the world, we don't need to rush. But like I said, nobody should play anything yet because if they do we lose the chance of getting these 2 8/8 beasts out completely (even if they cast a spell with 1 mana cost). Also WBG, what do you think of Grey? I think he may be scum, please give me your opinion on this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422¤tpage=21#405 And this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345422¤tpage=21#419 Specially because Greymist already tapped ALL his lands as soon as the turn started, which seems quite a coincidence taking into account the global enchantment we have today I already said I'd like to attack Greymist the most :p I find the lack of trying to do something way more suspicious than what you said but yes I agree in general. This zealos thing looks like someone trying to blend in. But above all I really don't like the fact that he's not telling us a thing about his reads and if he has any. Yes there was that "I'd be willing to attack Zealos" without an explanation but other than that nothing in general when he apparently thought about things. The quote I had from Nova apparently made him think about it as well, yet he wasn't willing to share his thoughts when I asked him about it for the sake of starting a conversation or he simply only started to think about it AFTER I told him that it's an interesting post. He isn't mentioning a thing at all. People COULD have been talking about you and your complete focus on the mechanics this game as well. I mentioned that and said that I've got something to say about that as well but I'd rather hear what other people think about it because frankly for me that was a null after BangBang, yet I would have thought other people might have considered it strange. He never mentioned fulla or what he thinks about him. No comment on Zealos or Mattchew, who both didn't post a lot early on either. That's ALL stuff he could have had an opinion on or AT LEAST used to get a conversation starting. D1 conversations are always weird because noone knows what to talk about other than the weather and the set-up but you have to get off those topics eventually and you do that by talking about small things that probably are nothing but might be something. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 28 2012 06:56 Oberyn wrote: Maybe we could force Zealos to tap his land to use it as well Speaking of which: @Greymist: Why did you put your cards out so soon and already tapped our your lands? What's the rush? Did you even look at the global enchantment? Had you waited to make your play we could have used your mana for something. Did you not care about it? I don't like this People, if you have a play in mind, don't instantly do it as soon as the Turn starts, because anything can happen that may make you change your mind. Wait as much as possible or until you are sure to make it. If "town plans" can be made (like the "tap your land to give mana to someone else" one), then if you tap all your lands and cast your spells instantly you avoid the responsibility to take part of the plan or not. For instance, Greymist can now come and say "Omg gonzaw that's the best plan ever! Oh, sorry I don't have any lands to tap, so I guess we can't make that plan after all, what a waste!" and we would never know if he would have actually followed the plan if he had his lands untapped (if he was scum for instance) Oberyn here pretty much calls me out and says that me and grey are purposely playing things before we discus things so that i can "claim to help people and then not do it" thus making me scum. this is however extremely ignorant and untrue. im all for helping out people who need lands, its a great advantage for the town. but also it is a great advantage for the mafia. we don't have a way of knowing if the lands that im giving you (that would have made it impossible to further my own progress, as they are my lands after all) are going to go towards helping us or killing us. dont just go giving away lands away to someone just because he asks for it, sure 2 extra lands wont make that much of a difference but it will help to unset a balance in how we determine who is scum and who is town. on another note, the particular deck that i am using requires me to make the most of every turn and every mana so that i can actually make a difference in the game. don't call me scum because im playing my deck the best way possible with the cards in my hand and not giving away charity to those who i don't trust | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
don't call me scum because im playing my deck the best way possible with the cards in my hand and not giving away charity to those who i don't trust Wouldn't that mean you trust us? We are the guys that have the 8/8 beasts that can fuck up scum in 1 turn, so why would you say this? I dunno why but that post just screams mafia. Specially the tone of it; you are just SO aggressive even though I don't know if you have posted yet (Grey's bro). You also just came into existance in the thread to: 1)Only defend yourself 2)Discredit the pro-town plan being discussed using flimsy reasons 3)Be very aggressive and most likely trying to cause emotion and disrupt 4)....nothing else. m all for helping out people who need lands, its a great advantage for the town. lol you said exactly what I expected you'd say. If you are "all for helping out people who need lands", then why did you guys INSTANTLY tap all of your lands 1 second into D2? but also it is a great advantage for the mafia. we don't have a way of knowing if the lands that im giving you (that would have made it impossible to further my own progress, as they are my lands after all) are going to go towards helping us or killing us. 2 townies having 8/8 trample beasts is a "great advantage" for the mafia because......sorry I'm lost here. Remember, all the "mana" will be going to us both, nobody else will get any mana, so the WORST thing scum can do is not give mana, that's it. on another note, the particular deck that i am using requires me to make the most of every turn and every mana so that i can actually make a difference in the game. Why? You seem to be playing for yourself here. Why is "your" deck important and why isn't the deck of others NOT important? You think you can win the game by yourself? That would be incredibly selfish of you, wouldn't it? You say that you need to "make the most out of every turn and every mana" so you can make a difference? Dude, I'm the guy with the WORST FUCKING DECK POSSIBLE (even kita told me this) and because I'm cooperating with town I just came up with the plan that will win us the game, so please thoroughly explain why you think that "playing for yourself" is the way to go in this game don't call me scum because im playing my deck the best way possible with the cards in my hand and not giving away charity to those who i don't trust This just screams "I won't be telling town anything about my deck or what I'll do" to me, which is....as you can see....obvious mafia behavior this game. Sorry dude, this post has me like 80% convinced you are mafia, even though it's from a guy that never (I think) posted in this thread. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
Why is "your" deck important and why isn't the deck of others important? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
To begin with is the double clone creature: yes I could help and I have three lands not two I just haven't played anything yet because I was waiting to see what happened, I realized that in the first main cycle I didn't take the opportunity I should have to let other people play first and reveal themselves before I did. Now there are two things I could do with my three mana I could cast things that will help me improve my creatures (mostly enchantments) or I could help summon this giant double headed trample monster. Now until this turn started I had Obyren as a total town read but because of how this has played out I have a problem. Obyren was the one attacked by the Mafia beast and, although we said that wouldn't prove anyone town we are all pretty clear that he is town now because of it. What if Obyren and Nova are scumbuddies? They used the beast to prove that one of them is town and after that had him suggest a plan where we all give our mana to both of them so that they can get huge creatures on the field. If we set ourselves back a full round and gave scum two 8/8s with trample we would get destroyed, so it comes down to if we can trust Nova and Obyren. I think we can but this makes me a little leery of trusting their plan. So, Oby and Nova, why do the rewards outweigh the risks? | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 28 2012 08:33 Oberyn wrote: Greymist/Dangeresque......don't you think both me and Nova are town? Wouldn't that mean you trust us? We are the guys that have the 8/8 beasts that can fuck up scum in 1 turn, so why would you say this? I dunno why but that post just screams mafia. Specially the tone of it; you are just SO aggressive even though I don't know if you have posted yet (Grey's bro). You also just came into existance in the thread to: 1)Only defend yourself 2)Discredit the pro-town plan being discussed using flimsy reasons 3)Be very aggressive and most likely trying to cause emotion and disrupt 4)....nothing else. lol you said exactly what I expected you'd say. If you are "all for helping out people who need lands", then why did you guys INSTANTLY tap all of your lands 1 second into D2? 2 townies having 8/8 trample beasts is a "great advantage" for the mafia because......sorry I'm lost here. Remember, all the "mana" will be going to us both, nobody else will get any mana, so the WORST thing scum can do is not give mana, that's it. Why? You seem to be playing for yourself here. Why is "your" deck important and why isn't the deck of others NOT important? You think you can win the game by yourself? That would be incredibly selfish of you, wouldn't it? You say that you need to "make the most out of every turn and every mana" so you can make a difference? Dude, I'm the guy with the WORST FUCKING DECK POSSIBLE (even kita told me this) and because I'm cooperating with town I just came up with the plan that will win us the game, so please thoroughly explain why you think that "playing for yourself" is the way to go in this game This just screams "I won't be telling town anything about my deck or what I'll do" to me, which is....as you can see....obvious mafia behavior this game. Sorry dude, this post has me like 80% convinced you are mafia, even though it's from a guy that never (I think) posted in this thread. But I already told you about my deck and what I'll be doing with it.... Remember that post? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
The more information town has the better, so why hold out? | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On June 28 2012 08:39 Promethelax wrote: EBWOP: wait! I'm an idiot. They didn't know what the global enchantment was. That would be too much foresight. I'm in if the rest of town is in too. I totally forgot about other people casting lands! (you, Zealos and Fulla) Omg, we can do other things as well! We can summon WB-G's 4/4 trample monster as well for instance! Once everybody cast their lands (without casting anything else of course) and agree with the plan, we can decide what to do with the left-over mana (because we don't know if people drew lands or not, for instance Matt didn't). On June 28 2012 08:38 GreYMisT wrote: But I already told you about my deck and what I'll be doing with it.... Remember that post? It didn't come out as good as I hoped, I meant that you wouldn't tell town "what" you would be doing (what plans you would do to catch scum). Yes, you can always say "Tomorrow I'll play 1 land and a sliver"....but you never state what your intentions are, why you are doing what you are (and not doing something else), you won't let town know and you won't let town influence you. Basically you are telling people "Just ignore me please!" If you have 2 creatures, why would you summon one and not the other? What plan do you have? Does it have an ability to help you kill someone you think is scum? Will it help support other players you think are town? Will it prepare you for the future? I dunno, telling us "I'll play a Headless Sliver that increases my attack by +1 and lets me return the land of someone to its hand" doesn't tell me absolutely anything about why you played it. Also thank you for quoting a wall of text for basically nothing | ||
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WereBugs-Go
Korea (South)172 Posts
Oberyn COULD be mafia targeting himself. In fact LV and the disaster with marv is the reason I'd rather have 3 middle-strong creatures than one big creature. The posts gonzaw is doing are making me think he's town but the posts Kita did are giving me a null. However here's the thing: If Oberyin has a 8/8 creature with trample, got half killed on n1 by mafia and isn't dead pretty soon we're prooobably not going to have a hard time figuring him out either ways. I doubt mafia will let him life for wifom if he's controlling a 8/8 trample thing while being a hydra, while being town, if he really is town. I'm just thinking about wether or not that thing could bring us into a nearly unwinnable or even unwinnable situation if the worst case really ends up being the case. But I don't think it'd be to a towndefeat even if Oberyn or Nova are mafia due to my Spellbomb. Same goes for Oberyns Spellbomb in the very likely case of him being town and us completly derping about Nova. But 2 8/8 creatures is a big deal, especially if we're getting them so cheap. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 28 2012 08:45 Promethelax wrote: GreY: I seriously don't trust you this game. Can you give us some reads, some gut feelings or your own plan. Anything that we can hold you to if you are scum or discuss if you are town. The more information town has the better, so why hold out? I gave you my plan day 1, read my filter. I don't like zealos. I gave you this today I really don't understand how you can ignore this | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 28 2012 08:53 Oberyn wrote: I totally forgot about other people casting lands! (you, Zealos and Fulla) Omg, we can do other things as well! We can summon WB-G's 4/4 trample monster as well for instance! Once everybody cast their lands (without casting anything else of course) and agree with the plan, we can decide what to do with the left-over mana (because we don't know if people drew lands or not, for instance Matt didn't). It didn't come out as good as I hoped, I meant that you wouldn't tell town "what" you would be doing (what plans you would do to catch scum). Yes, you can always say "Tomorrow I'll play 1 land and a sliver"....but you never state what your intentions are, why you are doing what you are (and not doing something else), you won't let town know and you won't let town influence you. Basically you are telling people "Just ignore me please!" If you have 2 creatures, why would you summon one and not the other? What plan do you have? Does it have an ability to help you kill someone you think is scum? Will it help support other players you think are town? Will it prepare you for the future? I dunno, telling us "I'll play a Headless Sliver that increases my attack by +1 and lets me return the land of someone to its hand" doesn't tell me absolutely anything about why you played it. Also thank you for quoting a wall of text for basically nothing Again: I already said I have 1 sliver in my deck that helps others. I will play this sliver if possible as soon as possible. It is called Cautery sliver and allows me to prevent damage to other players. You guys really need to try harder. this is just sad | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On June 28 2012 09:10 GreYMisT wrote: Again: I already said I have 1 sliver in my deck that helps others. I will play this sliver if possible as soon as possible. It is called Cautery sliver and allows me to prevent damage to other players. You guys really need to try harder. this is just sad Does it prevent the Mafia KP Beast damage? ...if not then why does it matter? In this game people will be attacking those they think is scum....why would preventing the damage of someone you/town think is scum any good? Sorry, that's not "helping town". You guys really need to try harder. @WB-G: Yeah if it wasn't for that AEther Spellbomb of yours I wouldn't have been to sure in the case Nova was scum (I'll be dead soon so my AEther Spellbomb won't really matter, but you'll be alive, at least for 3-4 turns). But if you have that spell, and nobody outs himself as scum to destroy it, then you can take down the 8/8 beasts whenever you feel me/Nova are doing something scummy with the beast. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 28 2012 09:14 Oberyn wrote: Does it prevent the Mafia KP Beast damage? ...if not then why does it matter? In this game people will be attacking those they think is scum....why would preventing the damage of someone you/town think is scum any good? Sorry, that's not "helping town". You guys really need to try harder. @WB-G: Yeah if it wasn't for that AEther Spellbomb of yours I wouldn't have been to sure in the case Nova was scum (I'll be dead soon so my AEther Spellbomb won't really matter, but you'll be alive, at least for 3-4 turns). But if you have that spell, and nobody outs himself as scum to destroy it, then you can take down the 8/8 beasts whenever you feel me/Nova are doing something scummy with the beast. Well dude its all I got in my deck that doesnt just power up my slivers. let me ask artanis about the ability, technically the ability does not target the beast, just mitigates the damage. Does the effect of Cautery sliver mitigate damage from creatures with shroud? | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
It prevents 1 damage only? lol I thought it prevented the WHOLE attack lol don't even bother, it's not worth it (even if it "prevents" the Mafia KP's damage) | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 28 2012 09:42 Oberyn wrote: It prevents 1 damage only? lol I thought it prevented the WHOLE attack lol don't even bother, it's not worth it (even if it "prevents" the Mafia KP's damage) Well thats a helpfull attitude from someone who should be a bit more worried about getting hit by something again. If I were at 12 life right now I would be thinking that something was better than nothing. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
...although 1 damage prevention would be good, since I can die once the Mafia Beast has 12/1 power. If 1 damage is prevented, then I'd be left with 1 HP but at least I'd survive 1 more turn. If you get that card put it out ASAP please, specially if I have my 8/8 trample beast out. ....or you won't if you are scum...whatever. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On June 28 2012 09:47 Oberyn wrote: Yeah, 2 8/8 trample beasts in the possession of town are certainly "better than nothing" ...although 1 damage prevention would be good, since I can die once the Mafia Beast has 12/1 power. If 1 damage is prevented, then I'd be left with 1 HP but at least I'd survive 1 more turn. If you get that card put it out ASAP please, specially if I have my 8/8 trample beast out. ....or you won't if you are scum...whatever. I thought you said not to bother? | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
I think you are scum so even if you have it you won't play it while I'm alive, so yeah it doesn't matter (even if you are town it's unlikely you'll draw/summon it before I die). Also, I don't see you contributing. | ||
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