EPTI don't have enough information about nova, and I think you're probably town but I'm not sure.
Assuming for the sake of argument that one of you or nova is scum how does your plan still help town.
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I don't have enough information about nova, and I think you're probably town but I'm not sure. Assuming for the sake of argument that one of you or nova is scum how does your plan still help town. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On June 28 2012 10:16 strongandbig wrote: Gonzaw does your plan rely on you and nova being town? I don't have enough information about nova, and I think you're probably town but I'm not sure. Assuming for the sake of argument that one of you or nova is scum how does your plan still help town. Okay, let's assume 1 of us is scum: 1)That scum HAS to do what town tells him. If town finds someone suspicious, well he has to attack that dude, specially if it's his partner. If he goes attacking random people or doing something scummy he'll out himself as scum 2)Even if he does scummy things, I or WB-G can use Aether Spellbomb to get Nova's/my 8/8 beast to their hands (and we won't be able to summon it again....unless we have 8 lands which will be very unlikely) 3)Me or Nova will be "targets" for scum to use their Mafia Beast on. If one of us is never shot by the Beast in the end-game, then something will be wrong. Like someone said, if both of us are town, scum WILL kill us. They won't risk us 2 killing their entire scumteam just for the WIFOM of "It's round X and Nova/Oberyn are still alive! Maybe they are scum!" which may not even work for them 4)If 1 of us is scum....well then 1 of us is town. That means 1 townie will still have a 8/8 beast, and the other scum will have one but he has to follow town's orders This is the worst case scenario of 1 of me/Nova being scum (Nova being scum alone in my case). I don't think Nova is scum, for various reasons already stated before, and even if he was we can force him to kill his scumbuddy and me/WB-G can take out his Avatar later. Best case scenario (likely) is both me and Nova are town and we obliterate scum. This is too good an opportunity to miss; so if you don't want to do it fearing me or Nova are scum, then I'd tell you that before disagreeing you should reread the thread very carefully and a couple of times to figure out if we are scum or not, and then say if you still agree or not (even based on what I wrote above). Well.....S&B you don't have any lands to tap so convincing you it's not really necessary  | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On June 28 2012 10:48 Mattchew wrote: I'm down with 2 8/8s Awesome. I don't think Nova will have a problem with this, whether he's town or scum; so we only need Zealos and Fulla to confirm it and we can go along with it @Promethelax: You said you have some enchantments right? Damn, imagine you using them on one of the 8/8 beasts next turn? Like a +2/+2 one? It could get even stronger than Mafia's KP one If we get the 8/8 beasts out, AND things go well (Nova doesn't do scummy shit, etc), then maybe we can start thinking about supporting those beasts with enchantments and stuff | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
We have the opportunity to produce 16 damage worth of town controlled kp and you are tapping out to play Nantuko Husk? That is completely worthless. Lets organize this before the next 24 hours go by and we throw away our best chance at winning. We need 8 mana going to team nova and we need 4 mana to team oberyn. It doesn't matter if you don't trust us. The kp can be town controlled and we just bounce the creature if we don't follow the plan. If you guys make a post without explaining how you are contributing to the plan then you will be considered anti-town. If you ignore this post and tap out to play a useless 2/2 then you will be considered mafia. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
The "2 8/8s plan" is significantly better than the previous "one 8/8" plan, because it's more resilient to have the creatures spread out. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On June 28 2012 10:56 Oberyn wrote: I have to say this is frustrating to have an obvious plan right in front of us and no one is interested in taking action. We have the opportunity to produce 16 damage worth of town controlled kp and you are tapping out to play Nantuko Husk? That is completely worthless. Lets organize this before the next 24 hours go by and we throw away our best chance at winning. We need 8 mana going to team nova and we need 4 mana to team oberyn. It doesn't matter if you don't trust us. The kp can be town controlled and we just bounce the creature if we don't follow the plan. If you guys make a post without explaining how you are contributing to the plan then you will be considered anti-town. If you ignore this post and tap out to play a useless 2/2 then you will be considered mafia. This was kita (not this post, but that post... ..I mean, not the post I'm writing right now...but the post I'm quoting >_>) /gonzaw | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On June 28 2012 11:00 Oberyn wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 28 2012 10:56 Oberyn wrote: I have to say this is frustrating to have an obvious plan right in front of us and no one is interested in taking action. We have the opportunity to produce 16 damage worth of town controlled kp and you are tapping out to play Nantuko Husk? That is completely worthless. Lets organize this before the next 24 hours go by and we throw away our best chance at winning. We need 8 mana going to team nova and we need 4 mana to team oberyn. It doesn't matter if you don't trust us. The kp can be town controlled and we just bounce the creature if we don't follow the plan. If you guys make a post without explaining how you are contributing to the plan then you will be considered anti-town. If you ignore this post and tap out to play a useless 2/2 then you will be considered mafia. This was kita (not this post, but that post... ..I mean, not the post I'm writing right now...but the post I'm quoting >_>) /gonzaw ^^ I think he's lying ^^ On June 28 2012 08:01 Oberyn wrote: Actually we need all 12 mana. Here's how: These players tap your land and give it to Nova: Obreyn: 1 Islands Matt: 2 Mountains WBG: 1 Island Prome: 2 Plains Nova: Tap 2 Forests, use 6 mana and summon "Avatar of Might" These players tap your land and give it to Oberyn: Fulla: 2 Mountains Zealos: 1 Swamp Oberyn: Tap 1 Island, use 3 mana and summon "Clone" targeting "Avatar of Might" Posting again for reference. | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
We'd want to have the mana given spread out (as in, everybody should give at least 1 mana), and we need some specific green and specific blue mana. Nova will use both of his Forest for the "green mana" part of the Avatar summon, and I'll use 2 Islands for the "blue mana" part of the Clone. That means anybody else can donate mana of any color and doesn't really matter. Oh wait.. lol I didn't notice we have 3 Islands and not 2 Correction: Currently we have 13 untapped lands; Promo said he has 1 land without casting, and potentially Zealos and Fulla have 1 uncasted land each. With Zealos' untapped "City of Brass", that means we have 15-17 mana available. We need only 12 for the dual-8/8-beast plan; so if you guys want to plan what to do with the remaining 3-5 mana be my guest | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On June 28 2012 10:56 Oberyn wrote: I have to say this is frustrating to have an obvious plan right in front of us and no one is interested in taking action. We have the opportunity to produce 16 damage worth of town controlled kp and you are tapping out to play Nantuko Husk? That is completely worthless. Lets organize this before the next 24 hours go by and we throw away our best chance at winning. We need 8 mana going to team nova and we need 4 mana to team oberyn. It doesn't matter if you don't trust us. The kp can be town controlled and we just bounce the creature if we don't follow the plan. If you guys make a post without explaining how you are contributing to the plan then you will be considered anti-town. If you ignore this post and tap out to play a useless 2/2 then you will be considered mafia. As I said above, we decided to play that before this plan was proposed. We promise not to tap our mana early in the future or whatever. Oh and when you say this beast will be town controlled, I hope you understand that there has to be a proper vote - not some kind of judgement call on the "town feeling" or whatever. That gives a potential scum beast-controller way too much leeway to slither out of attacking their buddy, and a potential tunneled-in townie controller too much leeway to attack a bad target. Also a nantuko husk in a zombie deck can become incredibly powerful. Just saying  | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On June 28 2012 11:16 strongandbig wrote: As I said above, we decided to play that before this plan was proposed. We promise not to tap our mana early in the future or whatever. Oh and when you say this beast will be town controlled, I hope you understand that there has to be a proper vote - not some kind of judgement call on the "town feeling" or whatever. That gives a potential scum beast-controller way too much leeway to slither out of attacking their buddy, and a potential tunneled-in townie controller too much leeway to attack a bad target. Also a nantuko husk in a zombie deck can become incredibly powerful. Just saying If there is a voting system implemented, I promise to follow it (i.e attacking the player that gets the most amount of votes), even if it means having to attack my town read or something (would suck, but maybe my town read was wrong). | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
^^^You are a derp too, that one is wrong Here: These players tap your land and give it to Nova: Obreyn: 1 Island Matt: 1 Mountains Prome: 2 Plains Fulla: 2 Mountains Nova: Tap 2 Forests, use 6 mana and summon "Avatar of Might" These players tap your land and give it to Oberyn: WB-G: 1 Island Zealos: 1 Swamp & ( 1 "City of Brass" or 1 potential uncasted land ) Oberyn: Tap 1 Island, use 3 mana and summon "Clone" targeting "Avatar of Might" That leaves these mana available: Promo: 1 uncasted land Zealos: 1 "City of Brass" mana or 1 potential uncasted land Matt: 1 Mountain Oberyn: 1 Island Fulla: 1 potential uncasted land This way the "available" mana will be spread between many people, so they have 1 available mana to do whatever they want to with their own deck, or have 1 mana to give to someone else to make another plan Do you people agree with this distribution? | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
If me+Wbg+others attack him, would you agree to do so as well? Why/Why not? | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
If we follow the above plan, you and me will have 1 available mana each. You can use that mana and tap the Harrier to tap one of Grey's monsters, and I can use AE Spellbomb to return the other to its hand. Then Mat's goblin, WBG's Hovemyr, S&B's Goblin and Fulla's Lavamancer can attack him directly for 4 damage. If next turn me and Nova get a direct attack on him with both our 8/8 beasts, we'll deal 16 damage and kill him. (20-4-16=0) This can be a plan, but of course we can't do that if nobody posts wtf they think of Greymist or if they are willing to attack him or not | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
I also still find his proposed paradigm that we think of this "like a normal game of multiplayer magic but with a subset of players who are mafia" to be either really poorly thought out or downright scummy, since it's very different from that in significant ways. Normally multiplayer games of magic are pretty defensive since only one player wins and they do that by living without everyone ganging up on them. In this game townies can win while being aggressive since they can win despite dying; and this one has a time limit so if we play it normally then town will lose. As for attacking him, I don't really want to commit myself yet because I want to reread his whole filter tomorrow when I've had fewer beers. For now I'll say that he is on my top three list of potential targets. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
Greymist, if you are actually town, then I advise you to attack (with your flying monster) whoever you think is scum and not block. Why? 1)Once you die, the scum you attacked will have less HP/be weakened so it will be easier for us to kill him 2)You will die faster, which means the moment you die (and we realize our mistake and go for the real scum) scum's Mafia Beast will have less power. The more we prolong our "lynches" the more KP Mafia have, which is bad. Of course...that is if you are town (if you are scum then do so as well) I'd actually advise that to ANY townie that's in the wrong end of an attack, don't block if you can deal damage to scum unless its necessary (yeah we already talked about this bla bla bla) | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
Come on people, post reads, post cases. Nobody did shit on N1 because "we couldn't attack", but now that we can everybody is silent? Fulla, Zealos where the hell are you? Mattchew....good that you agree with the plan, but you know the objective of that plan right? It's to kill scum. Without catching scum the plan is useless so please read filters and give us something. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On June 28 2012 12:51 GreYMisT wrote: Who do you intend to attack with this amazing kp? ... Are you doing this on purpose? ... Is this your version of trolling scum? | ||
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