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Oberyn was attacked by the Mafia Creature and has taken 8 damage.
Cool
I can't summon creatures this round either....lol
Mafia could just attack me directly and kill me this turn >_>
But well first things first:
##Cast: Island
On June 28 2012 00:25 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 00:00 Oberyn wrote:
If you people plan on attacking Zealos...how would you do it?
Remember, it's not just "I'll attack this dude", this is a Magic game, if you want someone dead you need to have a strategy to do so.
Zealos has like 3 flying creatures to block with, even if 3 of you attack him he'll block and nothing will happen, wasting another turn for mafia's beast to strike.
I'd agree with making a plan to attack Zealos tomorrow, although I'm still wary of Grey, and if what Promethelax said about Mattchew is true (that he's very enthusiastic with Magic-related things) then that makes me worried as well. either he will lose them or he will lose health
EHmm...I doubt he'd decide to lose health..specially if everybody attacks him at the same time (the spirit of the thread seems to imply that). So yeah, he'd most likely block, meaning that this turn would be lost.
I could help with that with AEther Spellbomb for instance (I take away one of his monsters)....but that is town coordination which is exactly what I was saying we should do back in T1 (i.e it's not everybody doing things independently and doing whatever they want)
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Well...I can summon, but I need 4 mana, and I only have 3 lands. I can summon a creature if someone lends me a mana..
...I still don't know what to do though, since I'd like to have a spare blue mana, to use AEther Spellbomb in the Attack Phase.
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On June 28 2012 05:43 Oberyn wrote:+ Show Spoiler [...] +Oberyn was attacked by the Mafia Creature and has taken 8 damage. Cool I can't summon creatures this round either....lol Mafia could just attack me directly and kill me this turn >_> + Show Spoiler [...] +But well first things first: ##Cast: IslandOn June 28 2012 00:25 Nova_Terra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 00:00 Oberyn wrote:
If you people plan on attacking Zealos...how would you do it?
Remember, it's not just "I'll attack this dude", this is a Magic game, if you want someone dead you need to have a strategy to do so.
Zealos has like 3 flying creatures to block with, even if 3 of you attack him he'll block and nothing will happen, wasting another turn for mafia's beast to strike.
I'd agree with making a plan to attack Zealos tomorrow, although I'm still wary of Grey, and if what Promethelax said about Mattchew is true (that he's very enthusiastic with Magic-related things) then that makes me worried as well. either he will lose them or he will lose health EHmm...I doubt he'd decide to lose health..specially if everybody attacks him at the same time (the spirit of the thread seems to imply that). So yeah, he'd most likely block, meaning that this turn would be lost. I could help with that with AEther Spellbomb for instance (I take away one of his monsters)....but that is town coordination which is exactly what I was saying we should do back in T1 (i.e it's not everybody doing things independently and doing whatever they want)
lacking mana for a 4 mana thing or no creatures? You got attacked by mafia and if they attack you again you're on 2 HP right? That would give you one more turn to do something, so maybe it would be a good idea to give you mana if that helps.
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On June 28 2012 05:51 Oberyn wrote:
Well...I can summon, but I need 4 mana, and I only have 3 lands. I can summon a creature if someone lends me a mana..
...I still don't know what to do though, since I'd like to have a spare blue mana, to use AEther Spellbomb in the Attack Phase.
same here. I'm still having a creature I could play for 3 mana but I only have 1 island left so I'd need 2 more mana to play it but you got shot so I could give you my mana as well. I have an aether spellbomb in play as well but I'm not really planning on using it this very turn for a reason 
So if I can't play that creature (getting 2 mana is prooobably pretty unlikely :p ) I'm not going to use that island and could spare it.
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On June 28 2012 05:05 GreYMisT wrote:
First off, I'll be playing flooded strand, tapping it and paying 1 life to search for a plains and then play it. Then I will tap all my mana to play necrotic sliver, a 2/2 which gives all slivers "pay 3 mana, sacrifice this permanent, destroy target permanent"
As far as the attack on oberyn: 2 things come to mind. The First is he doesnt have the greatest board presense at the moment, this means mafia are keeping all of the top deck contenders unhurt and therefore under suspicion. second is that it could possibly be that they are afraid of kitaman, and simply went for him. or he could be scum and they are "bussing" or whatever. I will come to a better conclusion later.
In any case, today is the first day that we can attack, so lets get some targets out there.
I am willing to go after zealos the most atm. His performance thus far has been underwelming, and in particular his complicated response with the whole "deck reveal" stuff was very weird, and seemed to me like he just wanted to agree.
So you are willing to attack him then? This is a pretty important thing, like we need to coordinate with people to attack 1 player and waste lots of cards/mana/time; is that the only thing that will make you target Zealos? You didn't basically mention Zealos before...so did you instantly start to think he's scum or something?
On June 27 2012 13:40 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 13:21 Promethelax wrote:On June 27 2012 11:36 strongandbig wrote:On June 27 2012 10:35 Promethelax wrote:
and I was planning on using Aurification but that won't work either. It seems we all had a plan of how to deal with the reature through a loophole. Since we can't do that lets scum hunt instead.
S+B add something to the thread. Your posts have been filler and that last one even more so, you are just following along with the derailing that someone else started. Give us something to work with. Cool story bro. IDK what you think counts as "contributing," but I proposed and have been pushing a plan for getting information from day 2 that I still think is pretty good for town. Plus I gave you my top fos and have been interacting with the topics the thread has been going over. At this point it really feels to me like you're tunneling me for the sake of having something to say. Any more contentless attacks on me and I will just smile and nod. (isn't it cool how saying "you aren't adding anything to the thread" doesn't actually add anything to the thread?) Sorry I made you mad, I honestly just wanted to hear your reaction. I like your reaction and you seem towny now, you are passionate about pushing your plan which gives me a green feeling on you. I am more worried about Matt and Zealos, they are both giving me red vibes though I would be shocked if they were both scum. Thats really all it took for your opinion to change on him? Seems to me you just tried to placate him when his attention focused on you. What makes you worried about Matt? i find that he is making far more sense than zealos
...what about Mattchew? Would you target Matt to attack today? I mean, Matt has less creatures and stuff so he'd also be easier to attack, would you attack him or not? Why/Why not?
You seem worried about people attacking Mattchew very suddenly.
Would you attack Fulla too? or not?
I dunno Greymist, the only read you made (that I noticed, maybe I missed something) was that you thought Nova was town...nothing else.
Now you want to target Zealos all of a sudden
To be honest I'd like to attack (well...I can't >_> talking in general town terms) Greymist as well.
All his posts have been just defending/explaining himself about the sliver things and some basic plans that were discussed, and then posting sporadic comments. Not only that but at times he just posts a lot of fluff and irrelevant stuff that don't really serve to contribute anything and only make his post bigger, like this:
On June 26 2012 02:54 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 02:21 WereBugs-Go wrote:On June 26 2012 01:57 Promethelax wrote:On June 26 2012 01:39 WereBugs-Go wrote:Yeah I don't see a point in claiming at all. As already mentioned it's probably information that's only useful for mafia if at all. What good is it for you guys if you know my deck (which shouldn't be hard to guess at this point of time) anyways. Someone already pointed it out: Those were constructed pregame so all we get to know is what general gameplan someone has but that's not even helping. Let's say the green guy is not an elven guy but a "big green monster"-guy. If he were to claim that and ended up being town mafia would know that they don't have to deal with him early on at all. We can't adjust our strategy according to claims because we don't know if something "dangerous" is a huge asset for town or something really dangerous right now. And well... claiming colors... I'm sure everyone is able to read the other thread and figure that out themselves. Everyone was given the color that is most used in his / their deck and if you have someone with two islands, two mountains, two forrests or whatever else at this point of time that miiiight be a hint. I'd say we should start talking about stuff happening. Greymist what do you think of this post: On June 25 2012 15:03 Nova_Terra wrote:Also wtf how is anyone okay with this On June 25 2012 08:59 GreYMisT wrote:
##Cast: Island
##Tap: Swamp, Island
##Cast: Winged Sliver flying ? I like that post for a bunch of reasons, what about you?
Also as a sidenote about marv: Yeah he never played magic before. I'm explaining stuff to him in skype (or once he's back) but I'm starting with stuff like "okay, so you have an economy, like in SC. That economy are your lands and you can use that to play monster(s) or spells.... if you want to play something you have to tap your land(s)... if something is tapped you can't use it this turn anymore". So yeah it's really basic so far and I'll screw what I said earlier. I'll post a bit more than I intended to the first couple of cycles if we keeps talking about magic "theory". He could talk about that but that'd be nothing than just blabbering what I told him in skype about it :p so lets' talk mafia instead. Since there is no day one lynch we have an attack phase to work out, so far none of us have creatures with haste (although Matt might, where is he anyway?) so none of us will be doing damage with creatures. However some of us must have spells that deal damage, do we use them now or later and who do we target? Why? Since attacking is our lynch equivalent we should be talking about it. So far we have wasted a day talking about mechanics (which, maybe, hasn't been a waste since this set up is new to all of us). We should move on to something where mafia can't just play follow the leader and has to make some statements for themselves, how should we as town do damage? Do we each attack the guy we have the scummiest read on or do we all work together to kill one guy or do we intentionally spread the damage around so that everyone gets a taste? What does everyone think? and why? yeah but that again is talking about the set-up. Wether or not we should use spells or whatnot. We can't waste another day on talking about how we want to to stuff. I'd rather talk about who gets to be the target for what reason and than talk about how we're doing it. That's why I quoted that one post from Terra to talk about stuff like that. On June 26 2012 02:01 GreYMisT wrote:
If you need help with anything marc, just ask. I've been teaching magic to people for a long time.
I'm not sure What you mean by "I like this post" (if it was sarcastic or what not). I think he just doesn't like my slivers Why are you dodging this one? As I already said I like that one post for a reason. I want to know with what mindset you're playing this game and if you're looking for the same things I am looking for. Apparently the post I quoted did not catch your interest when it should have. He didn't say he dislikes your slivers. He asked why noone else has a problem with something that potentially makes a shitton of your monsters fliers. He's scared about that card of yours. Sure that could be a clever mafia tricking us but do you think a mafia would be scared about something like that? If he was he'd just take you out early on. This looks like a townie being scared to face someone with a shitton of fliers because he thinks he's not prepared for that in the way he'd like to. Or it's a mafia who thinks it's easy to get people on you with a cheap argument if people consider this dangerous as well. Why are you not paying attention to stuff like that? That's why I quoted it because I think it's a post people could have opinions about while all the other "let's talk about mechanics posts" are easy to do no matter of alignment. That post however is either townish influence or mafia influenced and people should be bound to have an opinion about stuff like that. Why should his post concern me? I read it as someone, mafia or town, who is afraid of a shitton of flying creatures, which is a mechanic actually not seen alot in the standard play these days. In addition, Nova is running green, which traditionally does not have a lot of flying creatures unless he has spiders with reach. The fact is there are any number of reasons that a town player or a mafia player would react that way. What is important is to watch his actions. He has expressed concern over my future power, but hasnt commited to rallying people against me. because his post could be interpreted in so many different ways, including as scared comment from a old magic player familiar with slivers, I choose not to read too much into it until I have more information. In light of Nova's other posts he reads town to me at the moment. he is being a fairly positive communicator. Here is how I will be approaching this game, knowing I am a fairly big focus atm just due to my deck choice. I will play a sliver each turn if able, and I will not hold them back "for the good of the town". why? because think of it this way: by not playing slivers and just building my lands, Town does not know what powers I have in my hand, and it increases my potential of dropping 3 in one turn, surprising the town. I am against withholding information that could be useful to the town, so this is the way I will proceed. This is different than my stance on others deck claiming because deck claiming is not useful for people whose decks have not been revealed. Slivers, unfortunately, don't have much capability to help others, however I do have one in my deck that can. If I have the ability to play Cautery Sliver, I will above any other.
Like, this gigantic post only says "That thing on Nova is null and I think he's slightly town" and "Here is what I'll do with the slivers".
He spends way too much time explaining himself about not paying attention to Nova's post, but doesn't conclude anything about it.
That's the kind of post he makes, and it's very suspicious.
Not only that, he never showed any interest in actually find scum. Like, for instance S&B may have not "scumhunted" much, but at least showed interest in scumhunting (by wasting so much time with that "let's attack!" plan of his). But Greymist didn't at all; he's just caught up commenting on little things, explaining his actions, and talking about his slivers/setup, nothing else.
And now he instantly comes and tells us to just kill Zealos out of nowhere; it's a very sudden change of behaviour when it seemed he didn't give a shit about Zealos before.
##Vote: Greymist
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Can we get a Graveyard in the Board thingy?
Like, a list of all cards in the graveyard from each player? If not there are some things people do where they instantly discard a card or something and I don't know what that card does or what happened, and also if there are spells that target graveyards you don't know what to do
On June 28 2012 06:01 WereBugs-Go wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 05:51 Oberyn wrote:
Well...I can summon, but I need 4 mana, and I only have 3 lands. I can summon a creature if someone lends me a mana..
...I still don't know what to do though, since I'd like to have a spare blue mana, to use AEther Spellbomb in the Attack Phase. same here. I'm still having a creature I could play for 3 mana but I only have 1 island left so I'd need 2 more mana to play it but you got shot so I could give you my mana as well. I have an aether spellbomb in play as well but I'm not really planning on using it this very turn for a reason So if I can't play that creature (getting 2 mana is prooobably pretty unlikely :p ) I'm not going to use that island and could spare it.
I need to think about it.
If nobody decides to attack me...then having a creature is not that useful for me, specially because the creature I have would be best used later.
I'd prefer on using AEther Spellbomb on someone, Greymist for instance, to take away their creatures in the Attack phase.
If I summon my creature I'll be completely useless this turn (the creature has summoning sickness) since I can't play anything else, and scum will just target me later and put me to 2 HP and I'd be useless the next turn basically because of the way my creature works.
It's an important decision (considering our HP) so I need to consult it with kita (where the hell is he I still wasn't able to talk to him >_> )
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On June 28 2012 06:10 Oberyn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 05:05 GreYMisT wrote:
First off, I'll be playing flooded strand, tapping it and paying 1 life to search for a plains and then play it. Then I will tap all my mana to play necrotic sliver, a 2/2 which gives all slivers "pay 3 mana, sacrifice this permanent, destroy target permanent"
As far as the attack on oberyn: 2 things come to mind. The First is he doesnt have the greatest board presense at the moment, this means mafia are keeping all of the top deck contenders unhurt and therefore under suspicion. second is that it could possibly be that they are afraid of kitaman, and simply went for him. or he could be scum and they are "bussing" or whatever. I will come to a better conclusion later.
In any case, today is the first day that we can attack, so lets get some targets out there.
I am willing to go after zealos the most atm. His performance thus far has been underwelming, and in particular his complicated response with the whole "deck reveal" stuff was very weird, and seemed to me like he just wanted to agree. So you are willing to attack him then? This is a pretty important thing, like we need to coordinate with people to attack 1 player and waste lots of cards/mana/time; is that the only thing that will make you target Zealos? You didn't basically mention Zealos before...so did you instantly start to think he's scum or something? Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 13:40 GreYMisT wrote:On June 27 2012 13:21 Promethelax wrote:On June 27 2012 11:36 strongandbig wrote:On June 27 2012 10:35 Promethelax wrote:
and I was planning on using Aurification but that won't work either. It seems we all had a plan of how to deal with the reature through a loophole. Since we can't do that lets scum hunt instead.
S+B add something to the thread. Your posts have been filler and that last one even more so, you are just following along with the derailing that someone else started. Give us something to work with. Cool story bro. IDK what you think counts as "contributing," but I proposed and have been pushing a plan for getting information from day 2 that I still think is pretty good for town. Plus I gave you my top fos and have been interacting with the topics the thread has been going over. At this point it really feels to me like you're tunneling me for the sake of having something to say. Any more contentless attacks on me and I will just smile and nod. (isn't it cool how saying "you aren't adding anything to the thread" doesn't actually add anything to the thread?) Sorry I made you mad, I honestly just wanted to hear your reaction. I like your reaction and you seem towny now, you are passionate about pushing your plan which gives me a green feeling on you. I am more worried about Matt and Zealos, they are both giving me red vibes though I would be shocked if they were both scum. Thats really all it took for your opinion to change on him? Seems to me you just tried to placate him when his attention focused on you. What makes you worried about Matt? i find that he is making far more sense than zealos ...what about Mattchew? Would you target Matt to attack today? I mean, Matt has less creatures and stuff so he'd also be easier to attack, would you attack him or not? Why/Why not? You seem worried about people attacking Mattchew very suddenly. Would you attack Fulla too? or not? I dunno Greymist, the only read you made (that I noticed, maybe I missed something) was that you thought Nova was town...nothing else. Now you want to target Zealos all of a sudden To be honest I'd like to attack (well...I can't >_> talking in general town terms) Greymist as well. All his posts have been just defending/explaining himself about the sliver things and some basic plans that were discussed, and then posting sporadic comments. Not only that but at times he just posts a lot of fluff and irrelevant stuff that don't really serve to contribute anything and only make his post bigger, like this: Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 02:54 GreYMisT wrote:On June 26 2012 02:21 WereBugs-Go wrote:On June 26 2012 01:57 Promethelax wrote:On June 26 2012 01:39 WereBugs-Go wrote:Yeah I don't see a point in claiming at all. As already mentioned it's probably information that's only useful for mafia if at all. What good is it for you guys if you know my deck (which shouldn't be hard to guess at this point of time) anyways. Someone already pointed it out: Those were constructed pregame so all we get to know is what general gameplan someone has but that's not even helping. Let's say the green guy is not an elven guy but a "big green monster"-guy. If he were to claim that and ended up being town mafia would know that they don't have to deal with him early on at all. We can't adjust our strategy according to claims because we don't know if something "dangerous" is a huge asset for town or something really dangerous right now. And well... claiming colors... I'm sure everyone is able to read the other thread and figure that out themselves. Everyone was given the color that is most used in his / their deck and if you have someone with two islands, two mountains, two forrests or whatever else at this point of time that miiiight be a hint. I'd say we should start talking about stuff happening. Greymist what do you think of this post: On June 25 2012 15:03 Nova_Terra wrote:Also wtf how is anyone okay with this On June 25 2012 08:59 GreYMisT wrote:
##Cast: Island
##Tap: Swamp, Island
##Cast: Winged Sliver flying ? I like that post for a bunch of reasons, what about you?
Also as a sidenote about marv: Yeah he never played magic before. I'm explaining stuff to him in skype (or once he's back) but I'm starting with stuff like "okay, so you have an economy, like in SC. That economy are your lands and you can use that to play monster(s) or spells.... if you want to play something you have to tap your land(s)... if something is tapped you can't use it this turn anymore". So yeah it's really basic so far and I'll screw what I said earlier. I'll post a bit more than I intended to the first couple of cycles if we keeps talking about magic "theory". He could talk about that but that'd be nothing than just blabbering what I told him in skype about it :p so lets' talk mafia instead. Since there is no day one lynch we have an attack phase to work out, so far none of us have creatures with haste (although Matt might, where is he anyway?) so none of us will be doing damage with creatures. However some of us must have spells that deal damage, do we use them now or later and who do we target? Why? Since attacking is our lynch equivalent we should be talking about it. So far we have wasted a day talking about mechanics (which, maybe, hasn't been a waste since this set up is new to all of us). We should move on to something where mafia can't just play follow the leader and has to make some statements for themselves, how should we as town do damage? Do we each attack the guy we have the scummiest read on or do we all work together to kill one guy or do we intentionally spread the damage around so that everyone gets a taste? What does everyone think? and why? yeah but that again is talking about the set-up. Wether or not we should use spells or whatnot. We can't waste another day on talking about how we want to to stuff. I'd rather talk about who gets to be the target for what reason and than talk about how we're doing it. That's why I quoted that one post from Terra to talk about stuff like that. On June 26 2012 02:01 GreYMisT wrote:
If you need help with anything marc, just ask. I've been teaching magic to people for a long time.
I'm not sure What you mean by "I like this post" (if it was sarcastic or what not). I think he just doesn't like my slivers Why are you dodging this one? As I already said I like that one post for a reason. I want to know with what mindset you're playing this game and if you're looking for the same things I am looking for. Apparently the post I quoted did not catch your interest when it should have. He didn't say he dislikes your slivers. He asked why noone else has a problem with something that potentially makes a shitton of your monsters fliers. He's scared about that card of yours. Sure that could be a clever mafia tricking us but do you think a mafia would be scared about something like that? If he was he'd just take you out early on. This looks like a townie being scared to face someone with a shitton of fliers because he thinks he's not prepared for that in the way he'd like to. Or it's a mafia who thinks it's easy to get people on you with a cheap argument if people consider this dangerous as well. Why are you not paying attention to stuff like that? That's why I quoted it because I think it's a post people could have opinions about while all the other "let's talk about mechanics posts" are easy to do no matter of alignment. That post however is either townish influence or mafia influenced and people should be bound to have an opinion about stuff like that. Why should his post concern me? I read it as someone, mafia or town, who is afraid of a shitton of flying creatures, which is a mechanic actually not seen alot in the standard play these days. In addition, Nova is running green, which traditionally does not have a lot of flying creatures unless he has spiders with reach. The fact is there are any number of reasons that a town player or a mafia player would react that way. What is important is to watch his actions. He has expressed concern over my future power, but hasnt commited to rallying people against me. because his post could be interpreted in so many different ways, including as scared comment from a old magic player familiar with slivers, I choose not to read too much into it until I have more information. In light of Nova's other posts he reads town to me at the moment. he is being a fairly positive communicator. Here is how I will be approaching this game, knowing I am a fairly big focus atm just due to my deck choice. I will play a sliver each turn if able, and I will not hold them back "for the good of the town". why? because think of it this way: by not playing slivers and just building my lands, Town does not know what powers I have in my hand, and it increases my potential of dropping 3 in one turn, surprising the town. I am against withholding information that could be useful to the town, so this is the way I will proceed. This is different than my stance on others deck claiming because deck claiming is not useful for people whose decks have not been revealed. Slivers, unfortunately, don't have much capability to help others, however I do have one in my deck that can. If I have the ability to play Cautery Sliver, I will above any other. Like, this gigantic post only says "That thing on Nova is null and I think he's slightly town" and "Here is what I'll do with the slivers". He spends way too much time explaining himself about not paying attention to Nova's post, but doesn't conclude anything about it. That's the kind of post he makes, and it's very suspicious. Not only that, he never showed any interest in actually find scum. Like, for instance S&B may have not "scumhunted" much, but at least showed interest in scumhunting (by wasting so much time with that "let's attack!" plan of his). But Greymist didn't at all; he's just caught up commenting on little things, explaining his actions, and talking about his slivers/setup, nothing else. And now he instantly comes and tells us to just kill Zealos out of nowhere; it's a very sudden change of behaviour when it seemed he didn't give a shit about Zealos before. ##Vote: Greymist
Zealos has filled his post with "Ill help later". well its later and he hasnt helped. that is why he is my target.
Throughout this entire post, you actually don't say what you think about attacking zealos. I take it you don't agree?
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Well...now I'm not sure, specially with you being suspicious and attacking him all of a sudden, he could really be inactive townie.
...I won't decide until he comes back, in the meantime I want people to post their thoughts on Greymist and if they would be willing to attack him this turn.
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oberyn and werebugs i could just tap out for you guys... anyone opposed to this?
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We need to use an aether spellbomb either way. That means either Oberyn or I am going to use it to break trough imo and I'd rather keep my aether spellbomb for the next turn because I'm not able to play something the next turn if I use it this turn.
That's the issue right now
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On June 28 2012 06:19 Oberyn wrote:
Well...now I'm not sure, specially with you being suspicious and attacking him all of a sudden, he could really be inactive townie.
...I won't decide until he comes back, in the meantime I want people to post their thoughts on Greymist and if they would be willing to attack him this turn.
He could be, but go through his filter, and notice where he seems for the "deck reveal" idea, and then suddenly changes his mind when me and someone else say its a bad idea. and then he flips back. His filter is full of not only inactivity, but tenuous behavior, and him not taking a stance on anything.
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Also, you guys can't use aehter spellbomb to its full effect remember, because you can't use it after blockers are declared according to artanis.
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On June 28 2012 06:13 Oberyn wrote:
Can we get a Graveyard in the Board thingy?
Like, a list of all cards in the graveyard from each player? If not there are some things people do where they instantly discard a card or something and I don't know what that card does or what happened, and also if there are spells that target graveyards you don't know what to do
I will create one once there's a graveyard to speak of. At the moment, there are no cards in anyone's graveyard.
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On June 28 2012 06:27 WereBugs-Go wrote:We need to use an aether spellbomb either way. That means either Oberyn or I am going to use it to break trough imo and I'd rather keep my aether spellbomb for the next turn because I'm not able to play something the next turn if I use it this turn. That's the issue right now
Okay, then, I'll use it then (well...again I'll wait for kita since maybe I'm fucking up a big strategy he's planning >_> )
As long as everybody promises me not to attack me today, and anybody that does should be considered confirmed scum.
(if someone takes 2 HP from me scum can instantly kill me+kita this turn)
By Greymist:
Zealos has filled his post with "Ill help later". well its later and he hasnt helped. that is why he is my target.
You seem very nonchalant about this as well.
You seem to think that you just pick a target to "attack" and nothing else. Did you just instantly pick him as scum and will decide to attack him no matter what?
You know how we discussed pages and pages about attacks, weakening players, their hit points, etc?
Weakening a townie is one of the worst things you can do here since it means that townie won't be strong enough to take on scum later on.
Are you aware of the consequences? Wouldn't you at least try to talk this out? Or think this through a little bit more? This is not a simple vote for a lynch, we already said that.
You just seemed to instantly jump on the "let's attack Zealos" wagon without even thinking about it, and I think a townie would be thinking about this sort of things (since that sort of thing is very worrying).
Again, why wouldn't you attack Mattchew? Or Fulla? Or S&B?
On June 28 2012 06:31 GreYMisT wrote:
Also, you guys can't use aehter spellbomb to its full effect remember, because you can't use it after blockers are declared according to artanis.
If we use it as soon as the attack phase starts....what's the problem? I take away a creature from someone so he can't attack/block with it
On June 28 2012 06:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 06:13 Oberyn wrote:
Can we get a Graveyard in the Board thingy?
Like, a list of all cards in the graveyard from each player? If not there are some things people do where they instantly discard a card or something and I don't know what that card does or what happened, and also if there are spells that target graveyards you don't know what to do I will create one once there's a graveyard to speak of. At the moment, there are no cards in anyone's graveyard.
Oh I thought Nova discarded a card to the Graveyard there....but apparently he summoned it lol
Well...could you at least put those links to the card image of the ones that are discarded/drawn as well? Because I can't really be arsed to go check what "Avatar of Might" is >_>
Pretty please? :3
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On June 28 2012 06:39 Oberyn wrote:
Well...could you at least put those links to the card image of the ones that are discarded/drawn as well? Because I can't really be arsed to go check what "Avatar of Might" is >_>
Pretty please? :3
![[image loading]](http://www.coolstuffinc.com/images/Products/mtg%20art/Prophecy/Avatar%20of%20Might.jpg)
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All I see is a squirrel 
Well..I meant putting a hyperlink with the text...but well I guess you'd need to put some "Current plays" or something in the board so it wouldn't work out.
Anyways...googled it.... 8/8?
It needs 8 mana? I think this could be good for us if Nova is town, maybe we should lend Nova 6 mana so he can tap his forests and summon it.
After that we can use it as the "Town Beast", we decide in consensus who to attack it with (if Nova is town he'd have no problems with this). We use our buff spells on it, etc so if we figure out who's scum we can basically instantly kill them.
Would this be a good idea?
I mean, WBG has an AEther Spellbomb, which he will keep. If Nova does anything funny/scummy with that Beast, then WBG just casts AEther Spellbomb and BOOM Nova can't summon it anymore (I doubt he'll get 8 lands).
What do you say people?
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I could give 2 mana (I'll use the 3rd one for the AE S.) to him, Matt could give 2 mana as well and WBG can give him 1.
That's 5 mana, and we'd only need 1 more for him to summon it.
So people, I think this might be a good strategy, let me hear your thoughts.
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I think it's important to note who the mafia attacked. They chose to attack the person with the weakest board but probably one of the strongest metagame. This tells me that they aren't scared of the actual board as much as they are of being found out.
My read is that the mafia consists of at least one player who knows the players in this game (mafia not mtg) well enough to make that sort of decision, and at least one player whose deck is snowbally enough to completely control the board with little help late game. Some of these decks can get pretty scary very fast (slivers is the best example but also maybe that green one) and unless one of them is on the mafia's side, I'd think that they'd be much more frightened of the board once they get found out than getting found out in the first place, and thus target one of the strongest decks. This mafia seems to be assuming that once we find them, we can't focus them down in one or two turns, and can ignore the stronger decks with the monster.
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Maybe we could force Zealos to tap his land to use it as well
Speaking of which:
@Greymist: Why did you put your cards out so soon and already tapped our your lands? What's the rush? Did you even look at the global enchantment? Had you waited to make your play we could have used your mana for something. Did you not care about it?
I don't like this
People, if you have a play in mind, don't instantly do it as soon as the Turn starts, because anything can happen that may make you change your mind. Wait as much as possible or until you are sure to make it.
If "town plans" can be made (like the "tap your land to give mana to someone else" one), then if you tap all your lands and cast your spells instantly you avoid the responsibility to take part of the plan or not.
For instance, Greymist can now come and say "Omg gonzaw that's the best plan ever! Oh, sorry I don't have any lands to tap, so I guess we can't make that plan after all, what a waste!" and we would never know if he would have actually followed the plan if he had his lands untapped (if he was scum for instance)
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On June 28 2012 06:54 strongandbig wrote:
I think it's important to note who the mafia attacked. They chose to attack the person with the weakest board but probably one of the strongest metagame. This tells me that they aren't scared of the actual board as much as they are of being found out.
My read is that the mafia consists of at least one player who knows the players in this game (mafia not mtg) well enough to make that sort of decision, and at least one player whose deck is snowbally enough to completely control the board with little help late game. Some of these decks can get pretty scary very fast (slivers is the best example but also maybe that green one) and unless one of them is on the mafia's side, I'd think that they'd be much more frightened of the board once they get found out than getting found out in the first place, and thus target one of the strongest decks. This mafia seems to be assuming that once we find them, we can't focus them down in one or two turns, and can ignore the stronger decks with the monster.
I wouldn't look too much into it.
It's basically the same as killing a VT vet instead of a Blue newbie in a PYP game.
Yes, scum most likely don't want to be found out, but they attack those that benefit them the best, not those that have the "best" deck (specially if they know they can cast suspicion on that guy later)
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