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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
June 27 2012 15:19 GMT
#381
Unless i got out crystalline sliver, which I'm not entirly sure I have in this deck, there would be no point. sliver decks rely on buildup, and destroying all of my own cards seems like a rather poor idea.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
June 27 2012 15:25 GMT
#382
On June 28 2012 00:00 Oberyn wrote:
If you people plan on attacking Zealos...how would you do it?

Remember, it's not just "I'll attack this dude", this is a Magic game, if you want someone dead you need to have a strategy to do so.
Zealos has like 3 flying creatures to block with, even if 3 of you attack him he'll block and nothing will happen, wasting another turn for mafia's beast to strike.

I'd agree with making a plan to attack Zealos tomorrow, although I'm still wary of Grey, and if what Promethelax said about Mattchew is true (that he's very enthusiastic with Magic-related things) then that makes me worried as well.

either he will lose them or he will lose health
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
June 27 2012 15:25 GMT
#383
On June 28 2012 00:19 GreYMisT wrote:
Unless i got out crystalline sliver, which I'm not entirly sure I have in this deck, there would be no point. sliver decks rely on buildup, and destroying all of my own cards seems like a rather poor idea.

I was thinking you could be hoping to do some direct damage quickly and wipe out everything
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
June 27 2012 15:31 GMT
#384
On June 28 2012 00:25 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 00:19 GreYMisT wrote:
Unless i got out crystalline sliver, which I'm not entirly sure I have in this deck, there would be no point. sliver decks rely on buildup, and destroying all of my own cards seems like a rather poor idea.

I was thinking you could be hoping to do some direct damage quickly and wipe out everything


Ah I see. But no, not running that card.

Who would you attack nova? still planning on attacking fulla next turn?
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
June 27 2012 15:48 GMT
#385
I'm leaning somewheres between fulla and zealos. I cant decide whether fullas scummyness is a result of him being just newb or just newb town, and i would kill either, but i think the lurker problem is a bit much.
One of the two, at least for now.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
June 27 2012 15:49 GMT
#386
I didnt realize that fulla was a first timer when i said i would tunnel him all game
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 27 2012 18:28 GMT
#387
Attack Phase ends in 1.5 hours.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-27 19:43:17
June 27 2012 19:42 GMT
#388
Main Phase 2 has begun. All cards are untapped. Oberyn was attacked by the Mafia Creature and has taken 8 damage.
There is a new global enchantment.

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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
June 27 2012 19:48 GMT
#389
Sry oberyn dont have the cards to give life at this time
Hope I get one next turn before you die
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
June 27 2012 20:05 GMT
#390
First off, I'll be playing flooded strand, tapping it and paying 1 life to search for a plains and then play it. Then I will tap all my mana to play necrotic sliver, a 2/2 which gives all slivers "pay 3 mana, sacrifice this permanent, destroy target permanent"

As far as the attack on oberyn: 2 things come to mind. The First is he doesnt have the greatest board presense at the moment, this means mafia are keeping all of the top deck contenders unhurt and therefore under suspicion. second is that it could possibly be that they are afraid of kitaman, and simply went for him. or he could be scum and they are "bussing" or whatever. I will come to a better conclusion later.

In any case, today is the first day that we can attack, so lets get some targets out there.

I am willing to go after zealos the most atm. His performance thus far has been underwelming, and in particular his complicated response with the whole "deck reveal" stuff was very weird, and seemed to me like he just wanted to agree.
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
June 27 2012 20:08 GMT
#391
This is the previous magic themed game. Note Matt's play in it, he was very towny even when posting in just flavour, he was clearly really excited for the game.

Also note that Nova, Marv and Zealos all played in that game and haven't commented on this total shift in play styles by Matt.

I would be very happy to attack either Matt or Zealos this turn, if there is a consensus in terms of which of them should be attacked first or a plan we want to implement to deal with either of them I am very interested.
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WereBugs-Go
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)172 Posts
June 27 2012 20:10 GMT
#392
I'd be happy to attack Zealos or Greymist in general. I'd like to give people like Fulla more time right now. There's no point in attacking that guy right now and basicly the isssue with him is "dude does nothing at all" while I consider having the same read for Greymist and Zealos. However, I know that Greymist and Zealos are capable of doing otherwise. I don't know if that's the case for Fulla.

If we want to attack Zealos we need to come up with some plan because he has a shitton of stuff to block.
WereBugs-Go
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)172 Posts
June 27 2012 20:17 GMT
#393
Oh I've got an untapped Island left and my AEther spellbomb in play. I could use it but I'd rather keep it for something bigger on turn 3 or later if I stick around a little longer.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 27 2012 20:22 GMT
#394
On June 28 2012 05:08 Promethelax wrote:
This is the previous magic themed game. Note Matt's play in it, he was very towny even when posting in just flavour, he was clearly really excited for the game.

Also note that Nova, Marv and Zealos all played in that game and haven't commented on this total shift in play styles by Matt.

I would be very happy to attack either Matt or Zealos this turn, if there is a consensus in terms of which of them should be attacked first or a plan we want to implement to deal with either of them I am very interested.

Yeah at the time that was the only game I had going on. Also, it was a normal game without cards so I felt my reads on the discussions of lynches and voting and night actions were more valuable. Plus I was just excited to play in flavor text .


For this game, I am playing mono-red goblins. This turn I plan on playing a goblin warchief.

I think that playing this deck will allow me sort of a half-kp vigilante role for town as I will be pretty fast. I am fine with attacking zealos. I also have some very strong town-reads on people that will heavily influence my decisions on who to act on. I find this conversationally to be very similar to PYP: Redux

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 27 2012 20:22 GMT
#395
On June 28 2012 05:10 WereBugs-Go wrote:
I'd be happy to attack Zealos or Greymist in general. I'd like to give people like Fulla more time right now. There's no point in attacking that guy right now and basicly the isssue with him is "dude does nothing at all" while I consider having the same read for Greymist and Zealos. However, I know that Greymist and Zealos are capable of doing otherwise. I don't know if that's the case for Fulla.

If we want to attack Zealos we need to come up with some plan because he has a shitton of stuff to block.

Why Greymist? That seems like an awful idea
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
June 27 2012 20:22 GMT
#396
Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana?
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 27 2012 20:24 GMT
#397
Oh wait, I did not draw a land so I can't play a land. If anyone has an unused land to their name and would like to help me play my warchief I would be forever grateful
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 27 2012 20:24 GMT
#398
On June 28 2012 05:22 Zealos wrote:
Ok, I have nothing to spend my mana on, so does anyone need mana?

Lol I will take whatever you can provide me
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
WereBugs-Go
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)172 Posts
June 27 2012 20:31 GMT
#399
I could play something if I get 2 more mana :3
WereBugs-Go
Profile Joined June 2012
Korea (South)172 Posts
June 27 2012 20:39 GMT
#400
On June 28 2012 05:22 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2012 05:10 WereBugs-Go wrote:
I'd be happy to attack Zealos or Greymist in general. I'd like to give people like Fulla more time right now. There's no point in attacking that guy right now and basicly the isssue with him is "dude does nothing at all" while I consider having the same read for Greymist and Zealos. However, I know that Greymist and Zealos are capable of doing otherwise. I don't know if that's the case for Fulla.

If we want to attack Zealos we need to come up with some plan because he has a shitton of stuff to block.

Why Greymist? That seems like an awful idea

because I asked people multiple times to stop talking about the set-up and start talking about posts. I did several posts were I mentioned a couple of posts you could talk about in case you don't consider something important.

I get this as an answer about my question from him:
On June 26 2012 02:01 GreYMisT wrote:
If you need help with anything marc, just ask. I've been teaching magic to people for a long time.

I'm not sure What you mean by "I like this post" (if it was sarcastic or what not). I think he just doesn't like my slivers

which is incredibly dodgy and is either is complete unwillingness to talk about stuff or him not paying attention.
After that I point that out here:
+ Show Spoiler [clicky!] +
On June 26 2012 02:21 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 01:57 Promethelax wrote:
On June 26 2012 01:39 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Yeah I don't see a point in claiming at all. As already mentioned it's probably information that's only useful for mafia if at all.
What good is it for you guys if you know my deck (which shouldn't be hard to guess at this point of time) anyways. Someone already pointed it out: Those were constructed pregame so all we get to know is what general gameplan someone has but that's not even helping.
Let's say the green guy is not an elven guy but a "big green monster"-guy. If he were to claim that and ended up being town mafia would know that they don't have to deal with him early on at all. We can't adjust our strategy according to claims because we don't know if something "dangerous" is a huge asset for town or something really dangerous right now.

And well... claiming colors... I'm sure everyone is able to read the other thread and figure that out themselves. Everyone was given the color that is most used in his / their deck and if you have someone with two islands, two mountains, two forrests or whatever else at this point of time that miiiight be a hint.

I'd say we should start talking about stuff happening. Greymist what do you think of this post:
On June 25 2012 15:03 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also wtf how is anyone okay with this

On June 25 2012 08:59 GreYMisT wrote:
##Cast: Island
##Tap: Swamp, Island
##Cast: Winged Sliver


flying

?
I like that post for a bunch of reasons, what about you?



Also as a sidenote about marv: Yeah he never played magic before. I'm explaining stuff to him in skype (or once he's back) but I'm starting with stuff like "okay, so you have an economy, like in SC. That economy are your lands and you can use that to play monster(s) or spells.... if you want to play something you have to tap your land(s)... if something is tapped you can't use it this turn anymore". So yeah it's really basic so far and I'll screw what I said earlier. I'll post a bit more than I intended to the first couple of cycles if we keeps talking about magic "theory". He could talk about that but that'd be nothing than just blabbering what I told him in skype about it :p


so lets' talk mafia instead. Since there is no day one lynch we have an attack phase to work out, so far none of us have creatures with haste (although Matt might, where is he anyway?) so none of us will be doing damage with creatures. However some of us must have spells that deal damage, do we use them now or later and who do we target? Why?

Since attacking is our lynch equivalent we should be talking about it. So far we have wasted a day talking about mechanics (which, maybe, hasn't been a waste since this set up is new to all of us). We should move on to something where mafia can't just play follow the leader and has to make some statements for themselves, how should we as town do damage? Do we each attack the guy we have the scummiest read on or do we all work together to kill one guy or do we intentionally spread the damage around so that everyone gets a taste?

What does everyone think? and why?

yeah but that again is talking about the set-up. Wether or not we should use spells or whatnot. We can't waste another day on talking about how we want to to stuff. I'd rather talk about who gets to be the target for what reason and than talk about how we're doing it. That's why I quoted that one post from Terra to talk about stuff like that.
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 02:01 GreYMisT wrote:
If you need help with anything marc, just ask. I've been teaching magic to people for a long time.

I'm not sure What you mean by "I like this post" (if it was sarcastic or what not). I think he just doesn't like my slivers

Why are you dodging this one? As I already said I like that one post for a reason. I want to know with what mindset you're playing this game and if you're looking for the same things I am looking for. Apparently the post I quoted did not catch your interest when it should have.
He didn't say he dislikes your slivers. He asked why noone else has a problem with something that potentially makes a shitton of your monsters fliers. He's scared about that card of yours. Sure that could be a clever mafia tricking us but do you think a mafia would be scared about something like that? If he was he'd just take you out early on. This looks like a townie being scared to face someone with a shitton of fliers because he thinks he's not prepared for that in the way he'd like to. Or it's a mafia who thinks it's easy to get people on you with a cheap argument if people consider this dangerous as well.

Why are you not paying attention to stuff like that? That's why I quoted it because I think it's a post people could have opinions about while all the other "let's talk about mechanics posts" are easy to do no matter of alignment. That post however is either townish influence or mafia influenced and people should be bound to have an opinion about stuff like that.


and finally get this as answer:
On June 26 2012 02:54 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 02:21 WereBugs-Go wrote:
On June 26 2012 01:57 Promethelax wrote:
On June 26 2012 01:39 WereBugs-Go wrote:
Yeah I don't see a point in claiming at all. As already mentioned it's probably information that's only useful for mafia if at all.
What good is it for you guys if you know my deck (which shouldn't be hard to guess at this point of time) anyways. Someone already pointed it out: Those were constructed pregame so all we get to know is what general gameplan someone has but that's not even helping.
Let's say the green guy is not an elven guy but a "big green monster"-guy. If he were to claim that and ended up being town mafia would know that they don't have to deal with him early on at all. We can't adjust our strategy according to claims because we don't know if something "dangerous" is a huge asset for town or something really dangerous right now.

And well... claiming colors... I'm sure everyone is able to read the other thread and figure that out themselves. Everyone was given the color that is most used in his / their deck and if you have someone with two islands, two mountains, two forrests or whatever else at this point of time that miiiight be a hint.

I'd say we should start talking about stuff happening. Greymist what do you think of this post:
On June 25 2012 15:03 Nova_Terra wrote:
Also wtf how is anyone okay with this

On June 25 2012 08:59 GreYMisT wrote:
##Cast: Island
##Tap: Swamp, Island
##Cast: Winged Sliver


flying



?
I like that post for a bunch of reasons, what about you?



Also as a sidenote about marv: Yeah he never played magic before. I'm explaining stuff to him in skype (or once he's back) but I'm starting with stuff like "okay, so you have an economy, like in SC. That economy are your lands and you can use that to play monster(s) or spells.... if you want to play something you have to tap your land(s)... if something is tapped you can't use it this turn anymore". So yeah it's really basic so far and I'll screw what I said earlier. I'll post a bit more than I intended to the first couple of cycles if we keeps talking about magic "theory". He could talk about that but that'd be nothing than just blabbering what I told him in skype about it :p


so lets' talk mafia instead. Since there is no day one lynch we have an attack phase to work out, so far none of us have creatures with haste (although Matt might, where is he anyway?) so none of us will be doing damage with creatures. However some of us must have spells that deal damage, do we use them now or later and who do we target? Why?

Since attacking is our lynch equivalent we should be talking about it. So far we have wasted a day talking about mechanics (which, maybe, hasn't been a waste since this set up is new to all of us). We should move on to something where mafia can't just play follow the leader and has to make some statements for themselves, how should we as town do damage? Do we each attack the guy we have the scummiest read on or do we all work together to kill one guy or do we intentionally spread the damage around so that everyone gets a taste?

What does everyone think? and why?

yeah but that again is talking about the set-up. Wether or not we should use spells or whatnot. We can't waste another day on talking about how we want to to stuff. I'd rather talk about who gets to be the target for what reason and than talk about how we're doing it. That's why I quoted that one post from Terra to talk about stuff like that.
On June 26 2012 02:01 GreYMisT wrote:
If you need help with anything marc, just ask. I've been teaching magic to people for a long time.

I'm not sure What you mean by "I like this post" (if it was sarcastic or what not). I think he just doesn't like my slivers

Why are you dodging this one? As I already said I like that one post for a reason. I want to know with what mindset you're playing this game and if you're looking for the same things I am looking for. Apparently the post I quoted did not catch your interest when it should have.
He didn't say he dislikes your slivers. He asked why noone else has a problem with something that potentially makes a shitton of your monsters fliers. He's scared about that card of yours. Sure that could be a clever mafia tricking us but do you think a mafia would be scared about something like that? If he was he'd just take you out early on. This looks like a townie being scared to face someone with a shitton of fliers because he thinks he's not prepared for that in the way he'd like to. Or it's a mafia who thinks it's easy to get people on you with a cheap argument if people consider this dangerous as well.

Why are you not paying attention to stuff like that? That's why I quoted it because I think it's a post people could have opinions about while all the other "let's talk about mechanics posts" are easy to do no matter of alignment. That post however is either townish influence or mafia influenced and people should be bound to have an opinion about stuff like that.


Why should his post concern me? I read it as someone, mafia or town, who is afraid of a shitton of flying creatures, which is a mechanic actually not seen alot in the standard play these days. In addition, Nova is running green, which traditionally does not have a lot of flying creatures unless he has spiders with reach. The fact is there are any number of reasons that a town player or a mafia player would react that way. What is important is to watch his actions. He has expressed concern over my future power, but hasnt commited to rallying people against me. because his post could be interpreted in so many different ways, including as scared comment from a old magic player familiar with slivers, I choose not to read too much into it until I have more information.

In light of Nova's other posts he reads town to me at the moment. he is being a fairly positive communicator.

Here is how I will be approaching this game, knowing I am a fairly big focus atm just due to my deck choice.

I will play a sliver each turn if able, and I will not hold them back "for the good of the town". why? because think of it this way: by not playing slivers and just building my lands, Town does not know what powers I have in my hand, and it increases my potential of dropping 3 in one turn, surprising the town. I am against withholding information that could be useful to the town, so this is the way I will proceed. This is different than my stance on others deck claiming because deck claiming is not useful for people whose decks have not been revealed.

Slivers, unfortunately, don't have much capability to help others, however I do have one in my deck that can. If I have the ability to play Cautery Sliver, I will above any other.

I never asked wether or not the post concerns him. I said it's a nice post as in it could be interpreted in two ways so far although I was leaning town as it was the easier explanation. After I point out how he just dodged my question he answers this and it is a somewhat decent answer but he could have just said so in the first place when we're trying to start a conversation. There's no reason to hold back when we're having troubles to get a conversation starting and he's doing that.
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