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On June 23 2012 14:17 Sinensis wrote: You try explaining to 30 people why they should hate someone they don't know yet. I'm all for band wagon hatred! explain away | ||
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On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote: I think a vote count would be appropriate: Votecount: VisceraEyes: mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban BroodKEXE(4): Katina, Bill Murray(1): Acrofales Acrofales(1): Bill Murray casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? | ||
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On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote: Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKX I made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^ | ||
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haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light  (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D)As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. | ||
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He didn't call out casual directly. Look at the way he phrased the call out. It was a question, which means he was searching for confirmation before pushing the statement. Since the town didn't really get on casual, he jumped on my wagon. Incorrect sir, even if casualman is scum, he doesn't appear to be smart enough to really pose too much of a threat and doesn't really seem worth a day 1 lynch. Again there is no reason that anyone would vote for themselves as town, and no one has really tried to defend that vote, just make accusations against the people that notice it? I don't understand. If there is a legitmate reason town would vote for themselves, please, change my mind. | ||
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On July 02 2012 05:21 Mattchew wrote: So he just randomly through out the 2 names being discussed most as lynch candidates at the time by his own accord, without almost any reason attached to it? I fail to see how this is pro-town in any way. So someone you consider "unreadable" through their posts, is supposed to help town? Trolling, in your opinion, may not be indicative of alignment but how can you consider anyone offering actual opinions and thoughts as a better day 1 lynch than somoeone who is literally offering us nothing (in your opinion) to read him based off of. Also, you fail to add in my second point of how all his "forms of trolling" have basically been done in the threads by others beforehand. This is an ez mode way to blend in by doing something someone else did. Read any game with BM in it. A. 90% he's scum. and B. when he's left unchecked town often lose So you think its ok to tell people that they must focus on only BKE in a game of 27, yet when someone votes BKE with no reason thats ok? There is a huge contradiction there. If BKE flips town, and we have 14+ voters on him with very little reason, his mis-lynch will yield zero information to town. People should be pushing for peoples reasons and thoughts, not for just them to vote for their favorite lynch candidate. I think you are completely wrong and are reading things in a wrong way. I can't tell if this is on purpose or not. I'm not sure how my reasoning would be considered random. I explained why I thought the 2 people that I thought. You seem much more concerned with meta gaming then focusing on the game you in right now. Saying that someone is scum in 90% of past games shows that you are behaving irrationally, emotionally, or just plain being disruptive. As well as a deficiency in statistical analysis  | ||
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As evidenced in our slightly bizarre interaction before the game started, Foxtrotter and I are real life friends. We agreed not to talk about mafia outside of the thread, but the one time we did talk a bit about how roles were being assigned, and being a little worried that roles would be given preference to more veteran players. Anyway, none of that matters. I got an incredibly scummy read from the tone of his voice and the general interaction(obviously a false read). I had just started a game of league of legends with him while browsing the thread when I noticed the huge bandwagon switch to Fox. Since i had just got a scummy read from him and there was already alot of votes going toward him I wanted to vote for him, but I felt panicked because I wasn't really sure how much time I had since the post above mine said 1 hour left. Obviously I regret it but i simply ran out of time. | ||
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My current read is that if there is a Ringleader in this game (godfather), it is NoSmurfHere. + Show Spoiler + NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 01 2012 10:25 Also your belief in "proof" probably suggests you shouldn't be playing mafia, given that most accurate reads are not based on anything anywhere close to proof. I feel he may be breadcrumbing for a detective role check. It was just a note next to his name when I Look at the interaction between NoSmurfHere and rastaban. After NoSmurfHere starts the bandwagon against mKmKmK(a lurker lynch I really didn't agree with), he seems very interested in a role claim from NoSmurfHere, perhaps trying to get a detective to waste a night and make a really dangerous "confirmed towny". + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 00:53 rastaban wrote: Yeah let's not anger the host. The other option is he is a blue acting strangely to it, but I am sure Mafia already thought of this if he isn't on their team so he is outed regardless of alignment. I think this is the easy and probably accurate lynch for today, so we should be thinking about pushing for a role claim from him. I may be reaching, but again, I think I may wake up dead and wanted to get my thoughts out there. | ||
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On July 02 2012 09:08 NoSmurfHere wrote: Alright, here's the thing: If mK comes back to vote he's 100% scum. I'm banking on him getting modkilled to even consider this a decent idea. Probably a stupid idea, but w/e. I don't like the BKE lynch and the only reasonable alternative now is foxtrotter. I say that (particularly if fox flips town) we need to get a vig to shoot mK. ##unvote ##vote Foxtrotter | ||
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On the Foxtrotter swtich - I had just got a scummy read on foxtrotter out of the thread. I checked the voting thread and saw that a large bandwagon had formed on him. When I went to find out why there was such a huge swing of votes towards him, I noticed that I had less then 1 hour to vote. Instead of figuring out exactly how much time I had I just "ninja" switched in both threads. On saying "soooo, i guess i'll shut up :D " - I had just posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory/rant against NoSmurfHere. I still think he is scum, but it was a bad way to present the information. Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 04 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote: Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases: I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced. + Show Spoiler [Twelve's defense] + On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote: @Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D)As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night: I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations. I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve. ##unvote ##vote Twelve I am curious why you are quoting Mattchew to make your case against me. Mattchew never had a case against me, it never had any traction, He misread a post from before the game ever started and tried to point out my "contradictions". Ridiculousness. The reason I said what I said about NoSmurfHere was because I wanted to get my notes out to a detective in case I died. Maybe indicative of newbieness, but I didn't want to die and not be able to say anything else. Finally, would you mind revisiting your scumdar and finding an actual case against me? I'll gladly answer any further questions. | ||
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I did not understand the mK bandwagon at all, and felt like it was mafia trying to get town to waste a lynch on a townie. It looked to me that if both Rastaban and NSH were scum, then there was a subtle play being made when NSH talked about there being no real "proof" in this game. Rastaban then starts asking for a roleclaim from NSH, which have lead to a false claim and a DT confirming it. It was a long shot, especially on D1. + Show Spoiler + Waste of a lynch guys. Focus on people who are pushing for me. Or enjoy the 6 mafia kps tonight. That was a typo should have been 3 kps. | ||
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if causualman is just a troll I dont want to waste it, we really need to lynch scum tonight | ||
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##unvote: BKE ##vote: ET | ||
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Scouts honor! Pinky swear etc, I'm a good detective Kurumi! dont lynch me! | ||
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FOS: BroodKingEXE | ||
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I didnt really agree with the ET vote, I had to switch to him to avoid the known (to me) town lynch. I continue to point my FOS: BroodKingEXE | ||
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On July 05 2012 11:52 casualman wrote: vig if you would be so kind as to shoot twelve we can make a much better lynch in day 3 what happened casual? did you read my filter and realize i'm one of the few people paying attention to your posts. | ||
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@casualman I've been asking about you and BKE since day one, don't try and act like my play has shifted dramatically. | ||
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On July 05 2012 20:03 Vivax wrote: Ok, so twelve considered his life to be more valuable than that of somebody he believed to be town. This is arguably not pro-town, but a lot of townies might have done the same in his spot. Katina, can you post a list of your opinions regarding all players? Needless to say I might use it against you, it really depends on what you write there. You don't need to give long explanations, just guess the players' alignment. Woa Woa, thats not what i said. I said my life (a known town to me) should not be wasted on a lynch. As a green towny, my jobs include not getting lynched and helping the discussion towards lynching mafia. If the vote comes down between myself and another unknown(i really had no read on ET one way or the other), I have to vote in the interest of town, which in this case is the unknown. | ||
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I have never stopped thinking BKE was scum. | ||
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On July 07 2012 10:54 NoSmurfHere wrote: also town: DO NOT FORGET THIS QUOTE AND THE ONE THAT COMES AFTER IT. It is here that Twelve essentially starts claiming scum. what are you talking about? I don't scum claim... instead of answering my questions you just call me mafia? not really sure what your logic here is. | ||
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On July 08 2012 12:36 BroodKingEXE wrote: Lynching Twelve at this point should be a for sure. This post seeks to softly defend Kat while keep Twelve from sticking his neck out. He says to trust Hyaach, yet accuses him of lying for one. ##Vote: Twelve Sorry man, but you are misreading that. I said I didn't really understand why you believe one over the other after going through their filters. I never say to trust Hyaach, but my read on you was soo strong, having to trust Hyaach(before the katina scum flip) just made my stomach turn. | ||
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Grush57 - All of his posts have been violent and largely unhelpful. His token vote on Katina was long after she was the confirmed lynch. Read : Mafia Kurumi - Long confusing posts, supported me mid game, but also might know my alignment. Read: null Mattchew - Early Early push against Katina Read: Town Hyaach - given the evidence in the last day Read: Town(DT) Majugarzett - seems helpful but also lurks alot Read: Null/Town ShiaoPi - seems that he and BKE are opposite alliance, and BKE appears to be town so Read: Mafia NoSmurfHere hardcore tunnel on Katina Read: Town Ghost403 - Vig apparently Read: Town Vivax - Seems to spend most of his time pitting people against each other, (ie. me and BKE) scum read. Read: Mafia Part 2 to come soon | ||
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On July 09 2012 08:30 Vivax wrote: GG guys .Already put my vote on twelve. My defense against his accusations (and the arguments against him): If twelve was really town, he would know I'm not scum cause I caused a voteswitch from him to ET, which would have saved him as townie, which is something scum simply wouldn't do. Scum would have simply leaned back watching a mislynch and a modkill happen. But only one guy died, therefore Twelve is scum for accusing the people saving him from that. If anyone thinks it's simply bad play and not scummy behavior, step up. Switching from one town to another is good scum play because it can gain you town allies, particularly the one you saved. see my thoughts on Katina pre lynch. | ||
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On July 10 2012 02:33 grush57 wrote: Hush little baby don't say a word And never mind that noise you heard It's just the beast under your bed In your closet in your head I hate how worthless you have been this entire game, yet no one bats an eye. | ||
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I'm feeling pretty discouraged and almost didn't bother making this post but I still want to win. Please ask yourself if there is a better vote for today. Clearly a majority has a scummy read on me, but what kind of information will you actually gain if(when) i flip green. Most of the people pushing for me are town in my notes so I'm not really sure what town is gonna gain once my lights go out. Anyways, ill be around till lynch time, but if there isnt much additional development from anyone else, I won't have much else to say. | ||
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On July 11 2012 04:59 Vivax wrote: You tunneled a town throughout the game, you've been defended by the mafia roleblocker before the check got revealed. The DT pretty much sealed your guilt with his checks, the connections point to you. I doubt we're dealing with a crazy version where hyaach bussed katina to save BKE and get you killed. Or a version where BKE is a second godfather and katina just defended you to gain cred. To be fair however, if hyaach didn't say he was town, I'd still lynch BKE just based off his play. So when I flip town you will begin to strongly consider the other 2 options? | ||
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On July 11 2012 06:33 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Kurumi: What are your reads now? Since your posting got readable I haven't seen any effort to make an accusation besides me and casual (who you now think is innocent). Also, WTH did you crumb?, I doubt that there are anymore blues, which leads me to believe you lied about that. No mad hatter? Also, I don't think there is any point in giving additional reads.. my reads all game have been completely wrong (not a definition of scum btw). I still am fairly sure that Grush is mafia, or doesnt give two shits about town winning, so I'd vote for him twice if i could. | ||
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