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On July 07 2012 14:19 Katina wrote:
I don't know why you are under the impression that a DT has to make their checks in the thread filled with fireworks and sprinklers. That wasn't the only post that Hyaach has made implying that he had a DT check.
It was literally the only time he protected BKE between the check and the role claim and you said "What Hyaach says in BKE's defense matches with a green DT check". Anything else is extraneous to that sentiment.
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The previous posts might seem to contradict my belief in Hyaach's claim as they question Kat's belief in the claim, but their only point is to point out flaws in Kat's logic when deciding between framing and Hyaach lying, not to give my own views.
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Three possibilities here:
1) Katina got framed. Unlikely. She's been suspecting, but never pushing hard:
casualman
BKE
Mandalor
Wouldn't it make more sense to frame a guy that's actively pushing? There's more people that suspected these three.
2) Hyaach is scum and is faking a roleclaim.
At lot more unlikely. He'd be dead next day, not worth it.
3) What Hyaach said is true. Katina is scum, BKE is town.
I think this is the most likely option.
##unvote
##Vote: Katina
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It wasn't the only time he used his check in his choice of who to lynch is what I'm trying to say. Since he used his check to defend him once before his claim and after and trying to persuade Acro to vote for makes sense with a legit DT claim.
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Also, and I say this from my perspective:
BKE would have to be ringleader for her list to be so good to frame her. I know I'm town so that would leave casualman as the only possible bad guy.
I know some of you have no reason to believe I'm town. But if you do, it would make no sense to frame her.
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I have been pushing people. One of them being you. I have been hard pushing BKE in the begining then you and casualman. In a game that has a fair few amount of new players it would make sense to DT check one of the more experienced players that has been pushed in the spotlight. I like how you completely cancel out the possibilty that I got framed when it's exactly what happened.
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Your logic makes no sense Maju. It has nothing to do with being right or wrong to check someone.
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Sorry didn't mean Maju, meant Mandalor.
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You haven't been pushing hard.
You never voted for me. And you never made a strong case or asked other people to vote for your suspects.
You're misunderstanding why I think it makes no sense to frame you. As a DT, I would check guys like casualman, grush, kurumi. Or some of the very constructive guys pushing hard. You fit neither role. That coupled with the fact that I know at least one of your suspects is green, leads me to believe that your list at least isn't THAT good to sacrifice a mafia player for it to look void.
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All of the people you suspected were on people's radar before. BKE was our first guy to be suspected. You didn't lead the investigation, you picked up on it. Granted, I'm in the same boat with you there.
I was suspected by a lot of players before. You, again, were very late here.
Casualman is like a safe bet. He's a troll. It's impossible to read him so he could be either mafia or town. The fact that you're a vet makes me question your read on him the most.
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Actually, forget about the list being good or bad. After thinking about it, I really don't think that's a good criterion to pick whether to frame you or not.
My other posts still stand tho.
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BM is a troll as well and he manages to flip Mafia every now and then much like he did this game. I never voted for you because I thought there were other people who were scummier than you and I wanted to see them lynched first. I don't have control over the town, they vote however they please. I admitted that my reads were questionable to myself now after this whole incident. I said that to VE not too long ago. I told him I have to go back and took a good look at everyone again. Someone is always going to be on someone's radar. There's is never one person that isn't suspected of being Mafia. People this game have been tricky to read.
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man screw my shitty computer. I had a case typed up and it overheated and killed everything.
I'm a little mad and frustrated now (and it's 1 in the morning) so I'll be around for questions and whatnot and reading the thread but I won't write anything major till later tomorrow.
As I have a midterm on Monday I won't be as active as I have been.
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The thing is, if Hyaach isn't the DT, then the real one should already be expressing his disbelief of his claim and calling him scum, along with breadcrumbing his own checks.
I think 3 people didn't post since that claim, so let's see if we're in for a surprise.
IF we have a DT.
The only reason I see for a scum hyaach to claim now is to cover BKE. But a smart mafia wouldn't cover a scumbuddy by fakeclaiming and saying he returned town, cause if the DT is proven to be fake, the scumbuddy dies anyway.
Katina posting so actively after this just confirms she didn't have much reason to post before.
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there can be more than one DT -_-
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derp ebwop
there can be more than one DT -_-
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this is a 30 player game, not a mini. In larger games it's pretty common for there to be multiple power roles. There were two vigis at least, for example.
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2 vigs a vet (laya bout) maybe a doc and 2 dts?
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WBG, I have my doubts. The biggest doubt I have is that Hyaach's play does not equal DT. I actually was suspicious of this guy, look at his filter, his attacks look the same as grush's or casual's. Chanting "X is scum". The timing isn't quite right in my opinion too, why wait 24 hours to claim your "red" check? Please explain, why would I want to trust this guy? While my vote is on Katina I treat it as a gamble.
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