EPTTL Mafia LVI - Page 81
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Katina
United States454 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Katina
United States454 Posts
We should be lynching someone else today, not me. There are scummier people than me such as Mandalor, Maju, casualman. I got framed now the Mafia can sit back and enjoy the show. | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 08 2012 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I can lynch casual instead of Katina. Just sayin. I'd also be down with lynching grush. No katina needs to die and you should know this | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 07 2012 21:41 Kurumi wrote: WBG, I have my doubts. The biggest doubt I have is that Hyaach's play does not equal DT. I actually was suspicious of this guy, look at his filter, his attacks look the same as grush's or casual's. Chanting "X is scum". The timing isn't quite right in my opinion too, why wait 24 hours to claim your "red" check? Please explain, why would I want to trust this guy? While my vote is on Katina I treat it as a gamble. Nothing wrong with the timing at all. He had a green check and that guy was going to get lynched unless he claimed. The only reason this would be beneficial as scum is if they are buddies. However, if they are buddies then lynching a townie puts huge pressure on them, making it unlikely to be a scum claim. I really don't understand what's so difficult to grasp about that. Perhaps I'm colossally wrong about this whole thing but I just don't see how a scum Hyaach benefits from this claim. I also don't understand why you think it's a scum favored claim. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
Think about this: Katina labels casual as nothing but a disruptive troll, therefore he should die. However, grush is not much different and BM was not much different before either (she even uses BM as an example of a troll who flips mafia) However, she defended BM and she never attacked grush until I pointed out the hole in her logic. Why this contradiction? (I would warrant that grush's only contribution all game just came in the form of reminding everyone there have been no rb claims) Then, why is it that she is applying so fervently a relative null-tell (being a troll) as a surefire sign someone is scum? This reminds me of MTG where she kept trying to say nova was scum because he spammed, and he spammed before as scum too. This of course was completely disingenuous because he spammed as town and when I pointed this out she still pursued him as a target. She flipped scum that game. Finally, from a statistics point of view there are actually less misleading mechanics in this game than others. There could be two framers, but even with two framers it wouldn't be as bad as GM's games, for example. If she really was framed then obviously that's unfortunate but we'd have to reexamine everything in light of that. However, I have my doubts given her incredibly strange initial reaction. Is Acro still afk? | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
No one argues so heavily that a green check must be godfather. It's a ludicrous idea and the only time this happens is if the behavior of the target is completely contradictory to the check. Normally you take the check at face value and only question it if the claim is questionable or the checked player is not helping town (and if they live too long, for example). I see no reason to doubt the validity of the check when I personally have had a scumread on Katina for most of the game. | ||
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Vivax
22237 Posts
Katina, I'm not removing that vote. How about you give us one big last post we can work with? If you really are town I mean. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: Katina He says he had a town read on BKE. You don't check town reads. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
##Vote: Katina | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
On July 08 2012 06:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't like the check on BKE though NSH. ##Unvote ##Vote: Katina He says he had a town read on BKE. You don't check town reads. Checking a failed bandwagon is a pretty good check. If BKE died d1 and flipped town instead of foxtrotter/mKmKmK then the latter two would have made good checks as well. | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
Again NSH, your case is based entirely on my meta from one game. It has obviously clouded your judgement now when I'm town. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
If you flip town obviously I'll go back and reread and see what went wrong, but this check is too much to pass up on. We can't just ignore it given that we're now so late into the day and given the information we have. Don't change the facts. You didn't push BM because you "thought" he was town and you said so. Now you're claiming you didn't push BM because you didn't feel strongly about him? What? For the record, if Hyaach hadn't claimed I would have supported a lynch of Twelve. | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
I dislike the way hyaach played and his choice of checks, but I guess we can go along with his target to see if he lied (or if Katina was framed). ##unvote ##Vote: Katina | ||
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