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Some thoughts after I caught up,
@hyaach:
BKE also asked you, and you did respond with that quote of "you have to ask to get a case". Guess you don't like him either.
Reading through your recent posts I want to thank you for (finally) contributing thoughts which make sense and generally stepping up your activity. You are off my suspectlist for now.
##unvote
@Katina:
I do not like wasting a lynch on a troll. Better to shoot him or blow him up. Good to see you unlurking and contributing. I'll probably reread mandalor now.
@Twelve:
Same reasoning about casualman as with Katina, Is he your strongest scumread right now?
Regarding ET, I did not play any games with him so I don't know about his meta, but it is unsettling that he vanished after being one of the more active persons beforehand. Can somebody link me some games of him?
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Twelve who is your topscumread? Really casualman?
oh and Mandalor, why ninjavote?
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On July 05 2012 05:09 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 04:24 ShiaoPi wrote:
Twelve who is your topscumread? Really casualman?
oh and Mandalor, why ninjavote? Ninjavote? I explained I'd go for either Katina or Twelve. Doesn't look like Katina will gain enough votes so I went for Twelve.
Then say so in thread and not just vote.
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On July 05 2012 05:41 Mandalor wrote:
Okay
##vote Twelve
Was more about the entire explanation etc. but yeah that works
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Hey twelve are you still following the thread?
I asked you questions as you are just ignoring me I feel like interpreting mafia motivation should have been the correct read instead of the newbie townie one I had you under at first.
[/b]##vote: Twelve[/b]
Feel like talking? If you really are town then do something for the last couple of hours...
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On July 05 2012 08:34 austinmcc wrote:
Is anyone else hung up on posts like those that are just...wrong?
That was my whole bit about getting newbie townie vibes from him.
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Since you are here twelve, is casualman really your strongest read right now?
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I don't really like your response here twelve. Although he is kind of lurky, BKE's play has changed since day 1. He is is sharing reads and contributing and not just reacting against votes put on him.
Sorry buddy but my vote will stay now.
I am out.
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First off, I apologize for being absent that long, stuff came up. But...
How the hell did we end up lynching the person who was going to be modkilled either way?!
Looking at the vote the following persons were switching last minute, I'll share some thoughts:
Acrofales:
I can live with the reasoning he provided here. + Show Spoiler +On July 05 2012 05:50 Acrofales wrote:Okay. Gone over the whole passage and it's a giant contradiction. I can't make sense of this. Just gonna post it in case someone else can make sense of the screwball logic that is happening here: First relevant post, when Twelve goes all paranoid theory: + Show Spoiler +On July 03 2012 06:43 Twelve wrote:I'm hesitant to post this,but I have a feeling I may be killed tonight, and a REALLY strong feeling NoSmurfHere WILL NOT be Mafia killed tonight. I made a list of people who jumped on the mKmKmK lynch as I felt it was just an attempt of mafia to get a townie lurker lynched. As I went through the list of names using their filters, I came to some tentative conclusions. My current read is that if there is a Ringleader in this game (godfather), it is NoSmurfHere. + Show Spoiler + NoSmurfHere New Zealand. July 01 2012 10:25
Also your belief in "proof" probably suggests you shouldn't be playing mafia, given that most accurate reads are not based on anything anywhere close to proof. I feel he may be breadcrumbing for a detective role check. It was just a note next to his name when I Look at the interaction between NoSmurfHere and rastaban. After NoSmurfHere starts the bandwagon against mKmKmK(a lurker lynch I really didn't agree with), he seems very interested in a role claim from NoSmurfHere, perhaps trying to get a detective to waste a night and make a really dangerous "confirmed towny". + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 00:53 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:45 EchelonTee wrote:On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states: All flavour will appear exactly as it is here. [blue]This is true for all roles. I don't want to discuss NoSmurfHere's wording of the claim; I'm focusing on the fact that he generically claimed Vanilla Townie, and mKmKmK reacting strangely at it ("vague post is vague") is an eye catcher. Yeah let's not anger the host. The other option is he is a blue acting strangely to it, but I am sure Mafia already thought of this if he isn't on their team so he is outed regardless of alignment. I think this is the easy and probably accurate lynch for today, so we should be thinking about pushing for a role claim from him. I may be reaching, but again, I think I may wake up dead and wanted to get my thoughts out there. Is he trying to link Bugs and Rastaban as scum members? He quotes Rastaban talking with EchelonTee about Bugs's VT roleclaim and says he's quoting an exchange between Rastaban and Bugs. At the time, I read this as him saying Rastaban or mK was a town DT who Bugs was trying to poke into checking him at night. I also didn't read Rastaban's post as him saying someone should check Bugs at night, but rather someone should check mK. So this whole thing confused me and all I got from that was "he says bugs is scum, but out-wifoms himself and says he's the godfather". That has two explanations: he's scum and knows bugs will look like town, or he's a townie out-wifoming himself who really thinks bugs is scumslipping his godfather role (as marvellosity seemed to think). What I didn't get from it was the theory of Bugs+Rastaban scumbuddies. The follow-up at daytime: + Show Spoiler +On July 04 2012 09:39 Twelve wrote:
Alright I'm going to try and clarify some things since apparently I didn't explain myself very coherently.
On the Foxtrotter swtich -
I had just got a scummy read on foxtrotter out of the thread. I checked the voting thread and saw that a large bandwagon had formed on him. When I went to find out why there was such a huge swing of votes towards him, I noticed that I had less then 1 hour to vote. Instead of figuring out exactly how much time I had I just "ninja" switched in both threads.
On saying "soooo, i guess i'll shut up :D " -
I had just posted a ridiculous conspiracy theory/rant against NoSmurfHere. I still think he is scum, but it was a bad way to present the information. Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up. So this could be the fantastic failing of a scumplan and him covering it up. Or it could be a townie explaining how his giant conspiracy theory just failed spectacularly. I think this needs to be sorted out before we lynch Twelve and I am kinda backing down from my case. The rest of his filter is still terrible, but I agree that this whole conspiracy theory into backpedalling is too fucking weird to see from a scum mindset from my point of view. ##unvote for now.
He is at least making some solid reasoning behind it.
[b]Vivax:
What made you switch from this:
On July 05 2012 07:12 Vivax wrote:
ET's replacement should be bombarded with accusations once and if one joins.
For now back to Twelve since I don't wanna risk ET getting lynched when he could be modkilled.
I really hope he doesn't flip town.
to this?
On July 05 2012 09:21 Vivax wrote:
-.-
Ok, I'll vote ET again. If anyone believes in twelve, switch too.
Need 4 votes I think.
When you have been on the fence about twelve all day long... I had a pretty sure townread on you due to meta but that switch really makes me doubt it.
Twelve:
This here seems reasonable: On July 05 2012 19:45 Twelve wrote:
I did'nt have a strong read on ET one way or the other. I switched to ET because mathematically, if I had voted for any other person, I would have been the one getting lynched.
@casualman I've been asking about you and BKE since day one, don't try and act like my play has shifted dramatically.
But the stuff from D1-D2 still remains and I really wished we had flipped you...
Kurumi:
Still a god damn null. But I really don't like the last-minute switch, coupled with the general unhelpfullness until now, tending scum.
NSH:
I really dislike the reason he provided, which was basically sheeping. [spoiler]On July 05 2012 09:58 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I've switched my vote upon seeing the voter list and that Acro switched as well.
I trust his judgment as I've been afk. Reading now
[/spoiler]
Compare that to certainty he had in all his scumreads until now (twelve, me etc.) and his general feel of confidence in his reads he gives out. When asked about it his further explanations are the following:
[spoiler]
On July 06 2012 06:52 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Austin, I think you make very good points. The reason I sheeped Acro was because I had been afk for about 12-13 hours and I wanted to ensure that my vote traveled with the pertinent information I missed. Obviously I shouldn't have switched but I saw Acro, VE and a couple others on ET. I also had a nagging scumread of ET based on his absence but I suppose that can be explained by the holiday in retrospect.
My townread on Acro was based on him pushing BM so mercilessly. I actually considered for a time that he might be an active scum attempting to establish himself but I don't remember at which point I dropped him as a suspect; I suppose it was because there were too many people who were scummier than him.
Let's see what happens in the next cycle. I'm still very interested in killing grush. ShiaoPi is still suspicious as well.
I'll be back later if I'm still alive, gotta go to discussion for my class now.
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Reread that and tell me it is not just a rehashed version of sheeping. If he was confident in his scumreads (as he seemed to be) why does he feel the need to switch off it for a "nagging scumread", which was not on his to-kill-list? The rest of his filter is looking extremely town to me, cannot say I have a clear scumread on him but this switch is making me doubt my townread and tending towards a null.
Austin
He has been semi-lurky until yesterday when he proposed (or jumped on, depending how you see Vivax' role in it) the ET switch.
What makes me wonder is how this [spoiler] On July 05 2012 09:29 austinmcc wrote:
Blech. Removing my vote from ET. If he gets replaced, I'm all for lynching whoever comes in. Sorry replacement guy!
[/spoiler] can turn into this [spoiler]On July 05 2012 09:35 austinmcc wrote:
Will leave my vote on ET if this is picking up steam. Katina would be my second choice, but that's no longer an option this cycle and I'd rather get ET out of the way if this is a serious swap.
[/spoiler] in the span of 5 minutes. The fact that ET was going to be replaced/modkilled was unchanged. Why switch then? Because you were "curious" as you say in the follow-up? This is effectively no reason to me.
The austin I know does not lurk and does not flip-flop like that before lynchtime (except for heist, but yeah  ). Since your activity stepped up a lot after the lynch I am willing to exonerate you for now.
So what do I want to convey we do the next day?
lynch/blow up/vig the following personns:
grush, Kurumi, casualman
While keeping an eye open on:
NSH, Austin, hyaach, twelve, BKE, Mandalor
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EBWOP:
duh, screwed up the formating stuff, hopefully still readable
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@Vivax:
yep I was not reading adam's filter, just looking at the way the voteswitch happened.
gg austin, I'm out
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Just reread austin's filter, his main suspects before dying were Acrofales/Vivax based on the voteswtich on ET. Earlier targets who are still alive had been Katina, Vivax and myself.
I already said that I will have to reevaluate my read on Vivax, so right now I am ready to lynch him.
Will be rereading BKE now
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okay, after being out for some time I finally got to reread BKE's Filter.
He is actively going under the radar (with success, I guess as I overlooked him day 2) and has not a mentionable amount of contribution. Also his votes were all on targets which were the current sentiment of the thread.
Add that to his day 1 stuff and I say we got a solid lynch candidate.
##vote: BroodkingEXE
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You probably want to say that all these aspects are also fitting to me? I always gave transparent reasoning on my reads, elaborating on them as well. But if you do want to point something out then say it.
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Compare my filter with bke then try pointing out the aspects I had mentioned on him on me. Then we can talk
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BKE has not shown any activity lately, his day 2 play was better than his day 1 play so I focused on hyaach, but it did not mean that he became a townread for me.
You can see my thoughts on twelve in an earlier post, he is still a nullish read who I wish had flipped instead for ET. just so we can stop discussing him.
I want grush to die or start doing something, like pretty much the majority of the thread I guess.
Katina is nullish tending town, her recent posts are much better and she is offering up reads and opinions.
hyaach is tending town now. He is pushing his read and generally more helpfull than before (which wasn't too hard to be honest), he could still be more transparent though.
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ebwop: sup, grush, who you wanna kill?
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Just caught up to the thread.
I dislike the way hyaach played and his choice of checks, but I guess we can go along with his target to see if he lied (or if Katina was framed).
##unvote
##Vote: Katina
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I would love to lynch hyaach first to see his flip as a basis, but seeing that as impossible due to time constraints we can at least can something with Katina's flip
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ebwop:
should read we can at least get something with Katina's flip
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