Hi everyone,

just dropping by before going to university,
Skimmed through everything until now and BKE does stand out with the whole "newbie" thing.
nosmurfhere also just dropped an intention to omgus and casualman went into wtf-mode.

Is this like an normal start for big games like these? O_o
Well, more will come as soon as I am back home.

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 13:54 GMT

#321

Just read through everything.
I would be okay with a lynch on BKE, his contradictory behaviour has been pointed out more than enough here and his absence since then does not help him at all. Would like to see him defend himself though. Right now it just looks like a bandwagon.

casualman should also come back to do some explaining, his post is pretty much downright ridiculous.

Kurumi looks like breadcrumbing to me, no idea what he is trying to convey to us, but that alone is no reason for me to suspect him.

So for now:
FoS: BKE, casualman

There are still a lot of people who have not posted yet, so please GET YOUR ASS IN HERE AND PLAY!

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 13:56 GMT

#323

EBWOP:

Forgot Bill Muray,

he looks like aggressive playing townie to me, at least for now.

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 14:39 GMT

#334

On June 30 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote:
I trust BillMurray in his case against VisceraEyes and acrofales.

Why? I looked through VE's filter and didn't like it, then saw acrofales jumping in with this to try and defend him:

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That self-vote stunt wasn't shitty evidence. It was probably planned in egocentrical way by a scum player. I can understand if someone placed his vote on somebody else for no apparent reason, since that will immediately force someone to defend himself (or he can try and make it look like he's lurking).

I don't see how a self-vote would create a good atmoshpere for town. It might all be for shits and giggles pre-game, but ingame it just might be an exaggerated attempt to act like an overconfident townie and just causes confusion.

Also, Acrofales, I find you to be scummy by finding a reason to jump out of cover and defend someone, but finding no reason to make own cases and post reads.
It helps me imagine the option of you trying to cover the scumbuddy who has the role of acting as an overzealous townie.
And when I say overzealous, I don't speak about the value of his posts, but of the sheer amount.
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I didn't like BKE's post until I saw him mentioning the the lynched guy he used to justify his policy lynch discussion about being careful with newbs, that's enough for me as proof that his policy talk was in town's interest and not just some attempt to start a never ending policy discussion. I still cannot be sure of him being townie on the long term, but for now it's enough.

If you asked me who I would vote for right now, then it would be either VE or acrofales.

I find the case agaisnt VE and acrofales pretty weak to be honest, it is just based on a single action which was voting himself and unvoting himself in the same post. It is basically telling you nothing other than VE found the Voting thread and wanted it subscribed so he posted.

Not enough to convince me on lynching him, while BKE and casual still have some explaining to do

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 14:41 GMT

#335

ebwop:

I also do not see the benefits of scum doing this in the as you described "egocentrical" way. All it does is attract attention, which is pretty much the opposite of what they want to have (in most cases)

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 15:13 GMT

#342

On July 01 2012 00:02 Vivax wrote:
Shiao, maybe that vote was weak for the case to start, but the follow up matters too, just cause a case starts based on a weak claim doesn't mean that the information obtained from the reactions is useless.

--snipped---

His reaction was pretty much: "lol just ignore BM"
Since in my opinion that case was pretty much trumped up, nothing special here. I would also not feel obliged to "defend" myself from something like that. VE gave an explanation, subscribing the thread through a post, since then there has not been stuff going on against VE and even BM switched into going after Acrofales, which looks weird as hell, as there is also no reason behind it save for: "he defended VE!! HE IS SCUM!"

I just do not see a basis for suspicion right now.

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 15:14 GMT

#343

@EchelonTee:
What is the Kenpachi rule?

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 15:28 GMT

#345

Well you raise some good points on mkmkmk, filter size is really small though and he should pop by to post something more, before I would judge him.

Generally said, activity could really use a bump :O

I think there are still a bunch of players who have not posted yet, also BKE, casualman mind coming back to answer questions?

Add drwiggles to that list, dropping a vote without reason and disappearing afterwards is baaaad.

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 15:31 GMT

#347

What the case on BKE has is a massive contradiction of himself right here in the thread.
He posted his policy talk, seemingly protecting newbies and then goes on to attack 2 of them for their first posts. Until he can explain that 180° turn, my FoS stays on him.

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 15:41 GMT

#351

On July 01 2012 00:36 Vivax wrote:
How are you so sure he was attacking newbies? Would be nice if you quoted him/posted links so you can back up the situation you're describing.

Attacking Solstice, who is playing his first large game:

On June 30 2012 10:30 BroodKingEXE wrote:

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Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with.

Attacking casualman, who is playing for the first time:

On June 30 2012 16:24 BroodKingEXE wrote:

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I cant think of a town reason to post this batshit insane. Sarcasm? Until you answer: ##Vote: casualman

Although his attack on casualman is much more understandable than the one going after s0lsitce who can easily be given the BOTD as it is after all a friday night.

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 15:51 GMT

#361

@Vivax

I do not want to argue about semantics with you but take it in general terms:

BKE states that he believes it beneficial to be forgiving towards newbies, he then proceeds to attack 2 people's opening posts in which they clearly state that it is a "first time" for them.

It is much more the general idea behind his posts, he tries to encourage newbies first and then attacks the first two who are "newbies" in kinds of definition.

If you cannot see the contradiction here, than there is indeed no point in further arguing with you about the case on BKE

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 15:55 GMT

#364

ebwop:

Vivax, no offense to you but reread the thread and come back if you have made the chronological order right

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 16:23 GMT

#366

Hey BKE, since you seem to be online in order to vote casualman, what about some explaining?

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 17:09 GMT

#375

On July 01 2012 01:25 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Hold Up Hold Up! I clearly said that I think solstice is not a newb. He has been playing the same amount of games as me, and at my experience level that would be a scumass post to make. He dodges responsibility and subtley confirms his towniness. Why'd he do it like that? Scum thrive off subtley in their posts making us subconsiciously move them off their radar. Hell have I been subtle? A policy and two accusations making up the just of my posting. Casual's post makes no sense from a town intent, he declares he is a dumb newb and then procedes to bandwagon me on no evidence (by him). I cant give any leway on logic if their is none. I think he is a newb scum that is trying to distance himself from the guy that said" look at newbs through this lense". And let me say again I am Not A newb

At least in my perspective so if I try to hide behind that I should be lynched.

Excuse me but whre did you say that solstice is not a newb? Looked through your filter, found nothing.
Have you actually considered the possibility that he is in fact busy and so he dropped by with that post to say he is sorry in advance? Might be motivation to do just that, also check his other games, his opening is pretty similar to the games he has played and judging from that single post that he could be scum does not convince me.

I agree on your reasoning on Casual, he is on my radar as well.

I do not understand though what your "noobishness" has anything to do with the issue at hand. Nobody accused you of hiding behind noobishness so why bring it up? Until now your defense has been:
-I said solstice is not newb (no idea where that comes from...)
-I am not scum, since I made policy talk and two accusations.

Not strong to be honest. Everyone can make policytalk and the two accusation are kind of easy, solstice is gone for a while and casualman went retard/wtf-mode.

Right now I am tending on scum on you, so that will make my FoS into a vote: BroodkingEXE

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 17:33 GMT

#381

@BKE:
So it all depends on your definition of newbness? That whole policytalking and definition seems like a pretty good backdoor to get some pressure off you. Convince me by hunting for scum then. Until then my vote stays.

What are other people's opinion on this? Am I just having a bad case of tunneling somebody or was his defense unsatisfactory to others as well?

ShiaoPi

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June 30 2012 20:56 GMT

#394

Casualman get in this thread please, no more shananigans in the vote thread...

On July 01 2012 05:49 casualman wrote:

##Unvote: BroodKingEXE
##Vote: casualman

@solstice:
Katina has a single post and would probably fall under the lynch lurker policylynch right now. I think it would be better to go after BKE or mkmkmk