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FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
June 17 2012 20:39 GMT
#381
Hiro did you think of this Chezinu thing before or after you got your role PM. Be honest, liar!
I don't know, lynch me!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17959 Posts
June 17 2012 20:40 GMT
#382
God. Holland is fucking terrible. What really galls me is that they didn't even manage to take the Portuguese with them on their way out. Thank god my new home is gonna rock this Eurocup and become the first team ever to win 2 euros in a row!

Anyway. Lets find some scum.

Someone asked about the monarchist activist/king thingy: I have said everything I know about the mechanic. I would really like to know who was made king.

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17959 Posts
June 17 2012 20:41 GMT
#383
@KB: I don't much like your case on Hyaach. Basically what you're saying is that he had the same ideas as you had, therefore he's scum, but you aren't. How about you are both scum?

And throw Nisani in there too: he did the same alliance crap build, transferring into lurking.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 17 2012 20:44 GMT
#384
On June 18 2012 05:39 FourFace wrote:
Hiro did you think of this Chezinu thing before or after you got your role PM. Be honest, liar!


Its too much effort to come up with after he got his role PM tbh
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 17 2012 20:46 GMT
#385
On June 18 2012 05:39 FourFace wrote:
Hiro did you think of this Chezinu thing before or after you got your role PM. Be honest, liar!


Before. I was going to troll all of you for days if I got scum
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17959 Posts
June 17 2012 20:47 GMT
#386
On June 18 2012 00:44 FourFace wrote:
AARrrRHhHH!! There's just nothing to talk about until the night ends. Talismania gave his 2 cents regarding the setup and was the first and only one to come out of the closet regarding King, Monarchist Activist, killing the Monarchist Activist and possible setup.
My question is why doesn't the opening game post have anything to do with this medieval shiz?

Day started. Anything to say?
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
June 17 2012 20:59 GMT
#387
On June 18 2012 02:59 HiroPro wrote:

MajuGarzett:

If you look at MajuGarzett's filter, he's posted several times throughout the game. He's not actually concerned with finding scum, though. He spends almost all of his time asking about what abilities and information you can get from being a member. He doesn't try to determine my alignment; all he's concerned about is what he can gain from joining.

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort

... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_-

Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear.

Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.


      The most telling part of MajuGarzett's filter though is where he responds to xsksc. MajuGarzett doesn't try to analyze the behavior of Nisani or KB. All he does is say "Oh, I don't think the house will help them". He's not interested in making a clear statement on what he thinks about House Chezinu (beyond trying to quietly discredit it). He's posting for the sake of posting.

MajuGarzett isn't scumhunting; he's only concerned about himself. He's scum.



I wasn't just concerned with what I could gain from joining. I was concerned with what anyone could gain from joining. By knowing more about the house it allows for better reads on anyone who allied with or applied to the house.

On the second point by use of extrapolation, we can see that by saying "I can see why they did it" I also meant " I don't find them scummy for wanting an alliance" which is a response to xsksc's question. It wasn't just posting for the sake of posting.
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
June 17 2012 21:00 GMT
#388
No, not really. Why? Should there be? No one was killed, we don't know who the king is .. it's basically naught except for Hiro and his case on MajuGarzett which I think is good; and KB stuttering around which is not typical of his town play afaik. Voices in my head with spanish accents keep shouting LYNCH THE LIAR! but it's more like an earworm, not based on anything substantial.
I don't know, lynch me!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17959 Posts
June 17 2012 21:00 GMT
#389
On June 17 2012 07:37 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 07:12 talismania wrote:
I have some setup info in my role PM that I can't figure out why I shouldn't share:

(1) There is a "King"
(2) There is a "Monarchist Activist"
(3) Several others of you know there's a Monarchist Activist, and some of you want to kill him. (so there's a wincon involving the death of the Monarchist Activist I'm guessing).

Anyone have anything else?

______


My random setup speculation:

with only 15 players one mafia team of 3 + a SK role is possible but not terribly likely. Too quick of a lylo. I think it's more likely that there's 2 anti-town teams of 2 players each with one kp apiece. Then at least 2 different kinds of third parties, and at least 5-6 town players.


Probably worth sharing, thanks for the info. I assume this is some sort of kingmaker + assassins scenario, in which case we need to be a bit careful. It would be pretty shit to have a situation where we lose if person x dies


Took me a while, but I found this post again. Can you explain a bit more what you meant with this?

My role pm pretty much rules the "everybody loses if person X dies" scenario out, but the rest resonates well with my role pm.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 17 2012 21:02 GMT
#390
can't decide if what I'm about to do is stupid or not. oh well. Let's have some fun!

I am a dayvig!

And I think I'm gonna shoot someone today!


Further details:

-I am a day vig, I get one shot and one shot only per game during a day phase.
-I don't expect to survive very long at night (notwithstanding the lack of KP N0) so I figure I might as well put my role to use now

What I'm going to do:

-shoot someone!

Who I'm going to shoot:

I will shoot from among the players that do not do one of the following:

(1) Make a long, well-reasoned case on a single player for why they should be lynched
(2) Provide short (two-three sentence) reads/thoughts on the other fourteen players in the game
(3) Provide some solid setup related info that can help the town. For instance - do you know who the King is? The Monarchist Activist? Speculation doesn't count for this one.

I promise you, if you decide not to comply with one of the above, you are at risk of being shot.

________________


My goal is simple here: get everyone to post as much solid information as possible. I don't expect to outright catch any scum with this, but I am going to make them post and make them take positions. I hope to generate a lot of information that can be used throughout the game, including information about how people react to this and who decides to participate and when.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 17 2012 21:04 GMT
#391
Meh I did the same thing 5 pages ago tas
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 17 2012 21:06 GMT
#392
In fact I don't believe you
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
June 17 2012 21:09 GMT
#393
On June 18 2012 06:00 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 07:37 deconduo wrote:
On June 17 2012 07:12 talismania wrote:
I have some setup info in my role PM that I can't figure out why I shouldn't share:

(1) There is a "King"
(2) There is a "Monarchist Activist"
(3) Several others of you know there's a Monarchist Activist, and some of you want to kill him. (so there's a wincon involving the death of the Monarchist Activist I'm guessing).

Anyone have anything else?

______


My random setup speculation:

with only 15 players one mafia team of 3 + a SK role is possible but not terribly likely. Too quick of a lylo. I think it's more likely that there's 2 anti-town teams of 2 players each with one kp apiece. Then at least 2 different kinds of third parties, and at least 5-6 town players.


Probably worth sharing, thanks for the info. I assume this is some sort of kingmaker + assassins scenario, in which case we need to be a bit careful. It would be pretty shit to have a situation where we lose if person x dies


Took me a while, but I found this post again. Can you explain a bit more what you meant with this?

My role pm pretty much rules the "everybody loses if person X dies" scenario out, but the rest resonates well with my role pm.


Kingmaker has a couple of different variants, but the general way it works is usually the same. Each day the kingmaker chooses someone different to be the king. The king then has some sort of power, usually picking the day's lynch. In this game it could be extras votes in the lynch instead or something.

Assassins are a group of 3rd party SKs with some sort of KP, usually limited to one or two shots. Their objective is to kill a certain target, usually the king, before any other assassin or player does. When an assassin completes his goal he wins, and all other assassins lose. The other assassins are either removed from the game, converted to normal townes, or the game ends with the assassin being the sole victor.
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
June 17 2012 21:10 GMT
#394
On June 18 2012 06:06 Drazerk wrote:
In fact I don't believe you


Now why would you say that you Village Idiot??
I don't know, lynch me!
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 17 2012 21:11 GMT
#395
On June 18 2012 06:10 FourFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:06 Drazerk wrote:
In fact I don't believe you


Now why would you say that you Village Idiot??


Well it would prove if he is a day vigi or not
FourFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
701 Posts
June 17 2012 21:12 GMT
#396
On June 18 2012 06:11 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:10 FourFace wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:06 Drazerk wrote:
In fact I don't believe you


Now why would you say that you Village Idiot??


Well it would prove if he is a day vigi or not


We'll find that out soon enough .. at least pretend to be scared so we can roll out some cases
I don't know, lynch me!
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 17 2012 21:13 GMT
#397
On June 18 2012 05:59 MajuGarzett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 02:59 HiroPro wrote:

MajuGarzett:

If you look at MajuGarzett's filter, he's posted several times throughout the game. He's not actually concerned with finding scum, though. He spends almost all of his time asking about what abilities and information you can get from being a member. He doesn't try to determine my alignment; all he's concerned about is what he can gain from joining.

On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort

... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_-

Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear.

Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.


      The most telling part of MajuGarzett's filter though is where he responds to xsksc. MajuGarzett doesn't try to analyze the behavior of Nisani or KB. All he does is say "Oh, I don't think the house will help them". He's not interested in making a clear statement on what he thinks about House Chezinu (beyond trying to quietly discredit it). He's posting for the sake of posting.

MajuGarzett isn't scumhunting; he's only concerned about himself. He's scum.



I wasn't just concerned with what I could gain from joining. I was concerned with what anyone could gain from joining. By knowing more about the house it allows for better reads on anyone who allied with or applied to the house.

On the second point by use of extrapolation, we can see that by saying "I can see why they did it" I also meant " I don't find them scummy for wanting an alliance" which is a response to xsksc's question. It wasn't just posting for the sake of posting.


Explain this to me. You first say that by learning more about the house, you can make a better read on anyone. But I didn't give out anything really; so what specifically about their behavior makes you say you don't find them scummy? And those two statements are not the same thing: one is a fairly meaningless buddy-buddy statement, while the other is a clear opinion.



On June 18 2012 06:02 talismania wrote:
can't decide if what I'm about to do is stupid or not. oh well. Let's have some fun!

I am a dayvig!

And I think I'm gonna shoot someone today!


Further details:

-I am a day vig, I get one shot and one shot only per game during a day phase.
-I don't expect to survive very long at night (notwithstanding the lack of KP N0) so I figure I might as well put my role to use now

What I'm going to do:

-shoot someone!

Who I'm going to shoot:

I will shoot from among the players that do not do one of the following:

(1) Make a long, well-reasoned case on a single player for why they should be lynched
(2) Provide short (two-three sentence) reads/thoughts on the other fourteen players in the game
(3) Provide some solid setup related info that can help the town. For instance - do you know who the King is? The Monarchist Activist? Speculation doesn't count for this one.

I promise you, if you decide not to comply with one of the above, you are at risk of being shot.

________________


My goal is simple here: get everyone to post as much solid information as possible. I don't expect to outright catch any scum with this, but I am going to make them post and make them take positions. I hope to generate a lot of information that can be used throughout the game, including information about how people react to this and who decides to participate and when.


Shoot whoever you think is scum, yo. Your second and third criteria are not very useful at all (especially because we have no way of knowing if any information provided is even true)
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 17 2012 21:16 GMT
#398
I will shoot whoever I think is scum. And that decision will be based on what cases and thoughts people post.

Consider this my way of enforcing policy lynching lurkers :-)
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 17 2012 21:16 GMT
#399
On June 18 2012 06:12 FourFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:11 Drazerk wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:10 FourFace wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:06 Drazerk wrote:
In fact I don't believe you


Now why would you say that you Village Idiot??


Well it would prove if he is a day vigi or not


We'll find that out soon enough .. at least pretend to be scared so we can roll out some cases


Well I want to kill KB at the moment his filter will be my evidence / case.

Also ET but its more of a "I dislike you" type of thing
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
June 17 2012 21:26 GMT
#400
I'm on my phone so i can't do much right now, but i don't believe talis's claim. Makes it look like he's contributing when really he's just "forcing" everyone else to contribute for him.
Enjoy your day.
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