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Okay. I will either be dead in 2 minutes, or I want to hear from you people! I'm quite happy with general activity so far: everybody has posted something and most people have actually commented on things pertinent to the game. This is actually better than 100% of the other games I've played in here!
That said, I have some specific problems that I want clarified!
BioSC:
On June 17 2012 04:39 BioSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:28 Drazerk wrote:
From this point on I am now ignoring any post that has anything to do with House Chezinu
I advice everyone else does the same so we can play a normal game If the last Bastard game was any indication, this will be a bit stranger than a normal game. Speaking of this House Chezinu... You "guys" want a lot for giving not so much. Are you a mason group? Can you recruit? I'm staying cautiously positive atm. Unless you guys have cupcakes to offer, then I may change my stance =D
This is a non-opinion wrapped in fancy text. Now that HiroPro has been posting a bit more, what do you think of Chezinu? What do you think of KB and Nisani's "alliance" with them? What do you think of Drazerk and my stances versus them?
Dropbear:
On June 17 2012 11:47 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 05:15 KharadBanar wrote:On June 17 2012 04:50 DropBear wrote:Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off. On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing? You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB? Welp, there goes my "ignoring The HOUSE" stance, because I want to explain myself: I bother with the extended spiel about giving info to scum because I do not think everyone in this thread had realised this by then. The scum team would presumably be very interested in getting one (exactly one) of their players into The HOUSE so they can use him as an information link between all the players in The HOUSE and their own team. We (the town players) are all on our own until we join The HOUSE, but when we join The HOUSE to have a side conversation in there, that one scum player will be very happy to listen in on that and pass it on to his team mates. This is why I don't think that joining The HOUSE is advantageous to us. Finally, if we look at the extreme case where everyone but the anti-HOUSE players joins The HOUSE, we have a very weird situation where (I think) the Board of The HOUSE knows everyone's alignment but everyone else doesn't, and I have no idea who would profit from that but I don't want to try it out. I just wanted to "crap on about how they can't tell everything" because I thought about the issue and wanted to share my thoughts about it with you, which doesn't strike me as a very bad thing to do. Oh wow words words words this makes me think something is off about you even more. If we have any blues please kill/check him tonight.
Talismani, I don't have this information so are this king and monarchist activist person you speak of related or unrelated? My wikipedia search of what a monarchist activist is says that they support the crown, but may also support someone who has been deposed or rightfully belongs there Does the monarchist activist support the current King or another one? I am guessing another one, as you say some people need to kill the activist. It makes sense that the current King and his subjects would want any challengers dead. Furthermore, HiroPro I'm guessing you aren't the king himself but are allied with him/her?
Did I miss something? What does HiroPro have to do with the king? Did he say something I missed?
What is your opinion on Chezinu? So far you've posted a lot of speculation about stuff and a light accusation of KB being "slightly off". Do you still have that opinion? Who do you think we should lynch D1?
Run out of time. KB and Nisani, I think both of you are scum.
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Day 1![[image loading]](http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTX_ezca-lEl0-fc-JH0dWP49uAVYKJ_nZsvURyaFUNcMpsD0irvOmtO9No)
The fifteen things blabbered during the night as to what was happening. Each fo them had known objectives in mind, and some shared these - but the lie was imminent, and they could be trying to push agendas. HiroPro tried to recruit and create alliances, and people frowned upon the idea, mainly because trust wasn't something that could be given so easily.
Then, as the sun rose in one of the windows, the television turned back up. It was a Burker King commercial, and everyone got hungry. Suddenly a shout: HEY, DON'T FORGET SOMEONE HAS TO DIE TODAY! The King on the television said. Everyone was confused, but some of them had ideas on who to kill.
It was no use though, one can't simply kill another without proper thought, and the fifteen things decided to debate on who should be killed - each of them following their own agendas.
But who will die? That was the main concern for everyone. Nights in mafia games usually had a death. Someone had to die. Just as they discussed that a bit, someone jumped into the house from the window. It was VisceraEyes. "Hey you forgot me!" - and a bullet flew into his head. HEADSHOT was the only thing heard after that.
The red eletronic board read 00:00:01. Then it changed to 48:00:00.
The day had begun.
All flavor is just flavor.
A King has been named!
Viscera Eyes was shot night0 because he is the VisceraEyes, the townie that gets shot every game on the first cycle!
15 players live. Lynch is plurarity lynch - player with the highest vote count is lynched. In the event of a tie, the one who had most votes first is lynched.
Vote here. Only votes on the Voting Thread count.
Remember that you MUST vote. You can't vote for No-Lynch. You can vote for yourself.
Deadline is in 48 hours, on [unparsable timestamp format]
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Oooh, I just saw Hiro's post. I like the plan. I also like the Maju case.
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If anyone got a notification saying they were saved from a hit, I think they should claim. I'll see you guys in an hour.
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We have a king! Who is king?
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Unless the PM is late, I am claiming loyal citizen and not monarch (thank god... one bastard game of being king is enough).
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if no one claims save, then I guess no mafia faction lolololol
totally called it that Chezinu was fake :p
Maju looks scummy, yah; he looked a lot like that in TL LV. I needa see if he has any older games where he's town.
-His first newbie scum game when he was town, he was more forthright and called people scum and stuff, unlike this game. Not a bad lynch, looks scummy.
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On June 18 2012 02:23 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 00:21 EchelonTee wrote:
Probably, HiroPro is going to continue trolling and not give useful info, or come out and say "oh that was all a fake just to see how people would react". Really though, if there ends up being a super elaborate House Chezinu thing, then unless it literally changes my alignment, I can't think of that many possibilities where it's bad if I "join". Only things that come to mind are maybe somehow control my vote, Drazerk suggested something about "they recruit you to cult but don't change alignment", which I don't get, stuff like that, but this is all just idle speculation lol.
Talismania, where are you? I need more sanity plox You think Hiro's been playing games with us? That would be pretty unfortunate.
unfortunate? ... or GENIUS?
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EBWOP: should say "His first newbie Mafia game when he was town".
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On June 18 2012 03:10 EchelonTee wrote:
totally called it that Chezinu was fake :p
I bet you signed up lol
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On June 18 2012 03:14 FourFace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 03:10 EchelonTee wrote:
totally called it that Chezinu was fake :p
I bet you signed up lol
shhhh
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no really, I didn't.
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I am of the thinking that scums - SK and Mafia are holding KP to make it seem like there will only be one KP at night so town will only suspect there being one faction.
But who knew, what a good night.
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Too early to tell. They might have limited KP like in the liar game. It definitely doesn't look like they used any KP last night... either there's a jailer/roleblocker who got incredibly lucky, Talismania got medic'd and shot, or mafia didn't shoot.
Now going to watch the match. GO HOLLAND!!!!
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SO. I'm back.
Yesterday, I basically did a huge derp and didn't think about the consequences of joining House Chezinu. I did this not once, but on three different occasions. I realise this makes me look really scummy, so I'm going to explain again my whole train of thought why I did what I did.
I never considered the House to be made up by HiroPro although in hindsight it seems kinda obvious the mods wouldn't have made a faction that hard to balance.
So here are my thoughts, basically in the order they occurred to me.
At first, I thought the House probably wasn't going to be any upside for people joining, and they'd get your credentials. This was my first post on the topic where I advocated against it.
Then Nisani "allied" with Hiro and Hiro accepted it, which made me think "maybe I can ally too, so I at least don't have to worry about any members of the house who would want to pick a fight with me". This was my first real derp, because it should basically not matter to me what anyone thinks of me as long as I can explain myself. Anyway, talismania noticed I kind of flip-flopped there and accused me of being scum for it (what with talking to others in a QT and changing my opinion because of that).
I was then asked why I allied with House Chezinu, because townies don't have to, and I gave the answer of narrowing down my field of analysis, because potentially I would have the advantage of scum members of House Chezinu not attacking me. Assuming the House existed, I think this is still not an invalid point of view. I would clearly have profited from it as a 3rd Party/Survivor, but allying to them as a townie did not and still does not look very wrong to me.
That being said, I don't want to sit around being a useless townperson, and I have re-read the thread to search for inconsistencies from other people. I found one minor case with Hyaach which I would like to present to you:
On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote:
While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party.
I can't hold my liquor so well.
On June 18 2012 00:05 Hyaach wrote:
I cannot see the reason 201 and KB are so eager to ally a faction whose alignment is unknown but until we know more about House Chezinu. Anyone dismissing or allying house Chezinu is suspicious. Town win on information. So making informed decision is the way to win.
Waiting on Hiropro's response.
Basically, at first he immediately wants to join (this is even before Nisani201's alliance proposal), but then is very unsure about Nisani201 and me are allying to them because "the alignment of the faction is unknown."
If you are concerned about the faction being of unkown alignment, why did you try to join in the first place?
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As much as you would like that quote to be what you are twisting it to be. Its not.
It was written during a time where everyone seem to be spamming. I was just adding flavor to my spam.
BTW, 201's post date
On June 17 2012 03:09 Nisani201 wrote:
Wait, it's not day yet.
I would like to join the Chezinu house but I do not want to tell everyone my SUPER SECRET ROLE that is VERY IMPORTANT.
So I would like to ally with you. How does that sound?
My post date.
On June 17 2012 03:46 Hyaach wrote:
While I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu, 5th Party.
I can't hold my liquor so well.
Tell me again how you are twisting facts? KharadBanar
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The game went underway very quickly, there was no real "spamming" period.
And even if there was, "I'm inclined to be part of House Chezinu" doesn't look like "just adding flavor to spam" to me... This looks like you trying to get into The House.
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KB, I want to hear your thoughts on MajuGarzett.
Several people mentioned yesterday that they had information about the King (talismania and Acrofales, i think). Can you guys please share everything that you know?
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On June 18 2012 04:45 HiroPro wrote:
KB, I want to hear your thoughts on MajuGarzett.
His first couple posts are all questions on the inner workings of House Chezinu which seems like the usual earlygame discussion attempts. One could possibly interpret that as scum gauging whether or not it's worthwhile to enter, but it's entirely possible that this is just genuine interest, in which case it's a null read so I'm not ready to judge Maju on that alone.
On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort ... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_- Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear. Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.
This is essentially what I was thinking at that moment, and I'm town, so I don't get a real read in any direction here either (I know some of you were getting slight scum vibes from him at that point, what with softdefending the scummy looking Nisani and me, but he really understood my though process)
There is however a noticeable absence of any accusations in his filter, which suggests he's either an uninterested townie, 3rd Party or scum. In conclusion, Maju looks less townish than the Night 0 discussion leaders (Acrofales and HiroPro, later EchelonTee), but not scummy enough for me to be willing to lynch him.
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