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On June 14 2012 05:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 22:33 Vivax wrote:
I said earlier that I would vote for Zen_Man in case that there was a majority possible on him.
While I was writing that, town was about to lynch ha236.
If I switched my vote at the point you find suspicious cause I didn't do so, then I would have put the town at danger of a no lynch.
Gl the next day with no new information gained except for a nightkill that might allow mafia to make someone look suspicious or get rid of a better townie than the would-have-been-lynched one.A lynch is always better than no lynch,
Zen_Man really appeared scummy. He didn't even claim. It was a solid lynch from a perspective of someone not knowing his alignment, and if he wouldn't have died, he just would have kept the circle of suspects bigger along with town's insecurity. Show nested quote +On June 14 2012 04:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, I kinda buy this one. Still, you weren't the first one to swap the vote.
Guess why I only quote this. This quoted part is a good example of your way of bad thinking (or acting). 'Vivax doesn't swap his vote first, thus his argument is invalid and he is mafia'. Yeah sure. Really smart move bro. Read the quote. There's already the reason why I wasn't among the first to swap, it's cause it might have put the town at risk of a no lynch. You don't just say: 'I BUY IT', no, you're even so clever to say right next to it: 'BUT YOU'RE SUSPICIOUS CAUSE OF IT'.And this is how town should look at you after reading this:    -> + Show Spoiler +I really hope that other townies recognize how often you are contradicting yourself (within really close textparts!!!) in your desperate attempts to tunnel me.
Wow, you are stupid right now. Yup, I said just that. I wouldn't have done this in your position which is why I answered like I did. But after I read your response I understand that this could be done from a town point of view which is why I answered like I did. Therefore I drop the argument because it's a weak one.
You are however avoiding ALL my other arguments, and you instead choose to pick on the one even myself consider to be weak one.
On June 14 2012 05:28 Vivax wrote:
There are cases promising a ton of information, and while you try to blend in on each of these cases, your main objective remains to tunnel me, throughout a ton of pages. You're incredibly narrowsighted or you seek to spread as much distrust against me as possible.
Yes, my main objective is to kill scum. I see no problem in tunneling to succed here.
On June 14 2012 05:28 Vivax wrote:
Oh and btw. Grush is about to get lynched.
If I don't switch vote now, I risk a no lynch and you'll throw that at me. If I switch vote now, you'll say I bandwagoned.
Know what?Why should I risk a no lynch?I really don't care about what you have to say after all your slips, but you can try and keep tunneling. You better hope you're not the next scum to hang, cause I think that might be very possible.
##vote grush57
Cool story bro. I'm not sure if your blind but doesn't that mean Kthez is scum? But you want to lynch grsuh? ehh? But the thing is, like always, you put massive uncertainty in this post so you'll just respond with ''I never said you were scum''.
On June 13 2012 05:23 KtheZ wrote:
My first night rolecheck was Lazermonkey. After the results of the first day lynch I decided to check one of the people who voted for Zen_Man,and Lazermonkey was a solid choice. The results turned up: Lazermonkey can be confirmed townie.
Grush is obviously scum, and his behavior in both accusing me and his nonsensical roleclaim are all meant to apply extreme pressure onto me. Grush is in his death throes, and is trying to pull as much information for scum as he can. Thus the fake roleclaim, which forces me out to contest this and reveal myself. He took s0Lstice's post against me and then killed s0Lstice, which makes it very easy for him to push a lynch on me.
If you look at grush's filter, his posts have been very anti-town and full of OMGUS. From the beginning he has never contributed anything useful to the town. I was trying to steer the town lynch in the direction I felt was right, without painting myself as a symbol for the mafia to hit. Imagine my suprise when I find out we randomly bandwagoned our medic. There goes my only avenue of survival if I claim!
On the first day I was unwilling to look too pro-town to the mafia, because I did not want to have any potential as a target.
However, the one point I was firm on was my vote on grush, because I genuinely thought he was mafia.
Grush's play as town has been unconvincing, and even anti-town. None of his actions make sense, from a townie perspective.
I find it funny that I manage to find loads of posts on you that contains clear indications on scumplay You, on the other hand, only find one line which could be considered scumslip.
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On June 14 2012 06:01 Vivax wrote:
I've quit wasting my time with you lazer. Aside from the personal attacks, I think it's pretty obvious that you're tunneling me hard.
A good townie has to keep an overview of all players in the cases he decides to pursue, and that's not what you're doing. On the other hand it allows you to claim you're being consistent in your play if your target flips town. Just try to pull that card.
You are excessively afraid to make other cases. Instead you post high content low information ones (wall of text ugh).
You even admit that you made a weak point. Make good cases or don't make them at all. There is much better information out there you plainly ignore.
LOLOLOLOL. This is ad hominem which was discussed on D1.(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem). Yes, I am tunneling you atm. I even said that in my last post so you don't need to say it aswell. Can you give examples of these high content low info posts? Also, yes my point was weak. I said it because your response here was good. I'm not going to push you for something I don't think look suspicious. Doesn't this make sense? You point out one single thing in my whole case(which I even admitt) and therefore you say it's invalid. But you skip all the 1000 points which aren't. The logic here is questionable...
I kinda want to go to bed. Someone want to swap votes onto Vivax?
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On June 14 2012 06:07 Vivax wrote:
And no, tunneling is not hunting scum. Tunneling is being stubborn as hell and blind to alternatives, constantly only pushing one player. Heist did that to me last game and left me unable to post cases cause I was busy defending attacks.
And like in this game, other townies just didn't care. I hope they will during day 3.
I don't care. really, I don't. Please answer my questions. The reason I'm tunneling you is because your answers are crap. Also I don't care about Heist. I care about you. Stop avoiding the questions.
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Okay, In that case I'm going to bed now. See you guys tomorrow. grush flip scum PLZ!
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On June 15 2012 03:34 Release wrote:
Lazer, i'd like to hear what you say, since from what i can see, you are town no matter what
Will be posting lots of shit just before deadline. Just you wait : )
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The Daypost is up in an hour, right?
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Important shit here. Please read
Everyone, I am the detective!
So my first check was on Vivax. Release seemed to think that a check on anyone other than grush or ha236 was a bad check. I don't agree with this at all. First off, this is a noob game and their play could be explained by them being inexperienced. Or rather grush, because I never really had a scum read on Ha236 anyway. Also, in case that were to show town I would either need to claim in order to save one of the weaker townies which means no more checks for me or I had to defend them while they were acting suspicious without me claiming. I would either risk a lynch of them anyway or even a lynch on myself for defending a suspicious person and swaping my read super hard(said I was willing to lynch grush D1, Wants to stop the lynch on him D2...) My reason Vivax for this was because of his play. He didn't apear clearly scummy with his ''nice'' posts. But still, his unwillingness to take a stance anywhere. This wasn't his first game so he should know the basics of town play. I didn't find anything that pointed in that direction.Vivax showed as scum!
Regarding the second scum, I am 99,9% sure this is Kthez. He have faked a DT claim at this point. I'm not even sure you need any more evidence than this. He even claimed me to be town. What townie would do such a thing? My guess is that Kthez was feeling the hard pressure against him and when he saw grush claim DT, he took the opportunity as he felt most people would rather belive him than grush in a 1vs1. This would lead into a 2-1 where Vivax could've gotten lots of town cred by bussing him. If Kthez is a townie, he is the worst one ever. Btw, I decided to check Kthez this night.
I don't have a way to 100% confirm myself as detective so you will not know if my claim here is true or not. But you can be sure that either me or Vivax is scum here. I will not really push the case vs Vivax here either. In case I die tonight, you will all know I spoke the truth. If I survive, I will be able to push the case against him for 48 hours. I recomend you guys to take a very close look at their filters as well as mine and try to think you is the most likely scum at this point. Essentially if I survive the night, D3 will come down to a lynch on me vs a lynch on Vivax/Kthez. If I die, it's insta GG, town wins!
When writing this, I feel I probebly could've posted this way earlier. My head was just sooo full of fuck with two guys claiming DT when it was obvious not only that both of them were lying but also that one of them HAD to be town.
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GG town, well played. Scum you played okay aswell : ).
My thoughts on this game.
D1: So grush is under heavy fire. I didn't understand the way he played at all but I wasn't to convinvced that he scum. He didn't play town but his play didn't make any sense out of scum perspective either... Ha is the next one to be grilled. While I didn't like the way he played he simply seemed noob-town to me. I was quite sure he was town at this point. I'm the first one to pick up the case on Zen_Man, I don't regret this really. His play were the most scummy out of all players in the game at that time.
Sad that he flipped medic but quite ironic that both of the games blues were accusing each other of being scum.
N1: So my thought procces were something like this: s0lstice looked town, Release looked kinda town and I didn't really want to waste a check on him. Ha I was kinda convinced that he was town aswell despite his play but even then I was considering checking him. However, I felt that the high chance of him being lynched the next day would make it a weaker check. Same thing with grush. So was left with ShiaoPi, Vivax and Kthez. Vivax and Shiaopi were very passive the first day. Both of them were avoiding to take any clear stances. Kthez was at this point posting more of substance but I felt every time he posted, I didn't make alot of sence. He also scumslipped quite alot. In the end I kinda flipped a coin to decide which of theese three I would check : ).
D2: My original plan was to push Vivax without claiming. However, then the thread blew up with 2 people claiming DT. You guys can't even realise the amount of mindfuck that were going on in my head here. I probebly should've claimed right when grush backed off. I kinda wanted to see what grush would flip as I wasn't sure whether grush or Kthez were scum at this point. My case on Vivax was somewhat Ignored. Alot of you guys seemed to think it was weak, why? : (. It's obviously a bit trickier to write a case when I knew that he was 100% scum. Still, I think his answers wasn't really good at all. My plan was to claim in the following night, so I tried my best not to look like the DT but also to piss Vivax off. If I was shoot N2 I figured it should be GG.
N2: Not much to say. I am now 99,9% sure Kthez is scum. I just need to let everyone else know. fortunately I was shot : ).
Onto the players
The_zen_Man: Sorry for gettingt you lynched bro : ). Still your play was strange and you were far from dead untill the last 30 minutes where you posted some really strange no content posts on how yous hould lynch me when you flip. Post more next time and you should be fine. Also, try to post more of your own stuff.
s0lstice: You were probebly the best towni e in the game. You were the first one to push Kthez I think nad you were also the first one to put any critique at Vivax. I guess that's why you got shot : ).
grush57: Strange play overall. The DT claim didn't make any sense what so ever but on the other hand it was what won us the game
Release: You were really active which was very good in an otherwise quite lazy game. Your reads weren't super tho, and you keept going after people that were bad townies instead of scum. I know that is a fine line but you should probebly analyze peopple motives more next time.
Ha236: Your play was strange aswell. You need to give more reads next time you play. Also remember that a player pushing you as town isn't necessarily a scum.
Shaiopi: You play on D1 wasn't really good imo. You were quite passive. On D2 I think you improved tho. You gave good opinions and looked at peoples motives etc.
Vivax: Sorry for the agressive tone against you : ). I really wanted you guys to kill me tho, so I somewhat succeded : P. I can only really comment on your play D1 as that's what made me check you. You never took a stance except for Zen_Man and he was a really easy target. I don't have problems with summaries but you avoided taking stances while only doing summaries. This is kinda scummy.
Kthez: You took a risk, and if grush would've been the DT(which he should've been, VTs should claim like that) then it might just have won you guys the game. Your D1 play was a bit scummy to me but D2 was better. You were just unlucky that grush played next level mindgames with you : P.
Also thanks to wherebugsgo for Pro coaching! : )
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Nice write up! Just 1 question : ).
Overall Town
Despite mudslinging early on between Release and Grush, there was a lot of activity throughout the game. People bemoaned lurking, but remember this is a 9 player game. I thought the activity was enough to have substance without being spammy. The biggest problem was not re-reading closely, especially s0Lstice's reads. You have to think; WHY would they shoot s0Lstice over Release? Release was pushing ha and grush a lot, while s0Lstice was leaning against KtheZ a lot. Take that into account. Also, if you're blue remember it's important to try and act as green as possible; if you act scared, it makes you more obvious to scum, and suspicious to your comrades. Clutch blue play from Lazermonkey sealed the deal; town deserved this win overall. Even without the weird claim from grush, town was in a good position to win it as long as Release refocused his thoughts.
Don't you think it's WIFOM to discuss why people were killed? Let's say they instead killed Release N1 then we could have argued that grush/ha would be scum because of that. At the same time Kthez would look even more clean because why would scum let anyone who are pushing their case live.
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