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Radfield
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I don't have the ability to make a coherant case in this amount of time and I misread one of VE's posts that made it go from scummy to normal. VE doesn't even look that bad upon rereading. I'm happy to explain what I was seeing, but it doesn't make a difference right now. I prefer a MZ lynch over Palmar. | ||
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Radfield
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On June 12 2012 07:33 Hesmyrr wrote: I actually wanted to let the conversation play out longer and see if it further justifies my doubts, but since I already wrote about VisceraEyes - Radfield connection I'll try my best to explain why I feel bad about these two, which started from here. His first three paragraphs reveal he feels wish-washy about MZ and I found it suspect how he was being conservative with his vote even at that situation, not voting for his current biggest scum-read. The tone of post is such that it makes him open for voting both, like Radfield will post his case and will let himself be "persuaded" by VisceraEyes so I wanted to gauge strength of the argument. Then VisceraEyes started picking up bunch of freebie townie points by talking about it with him. I guess I just didn't see reason Radfield would refrain posting his analysis at this critical juncture. He did fix most of the problems I had with him at time of this posting so I'll see how his argument turns out and determine whether to stick with VE depending on situation. I do have to leave for moment but I will be back in order to change my vote if needed. I don't get it. You were here before that conversation even started, yet were making no attempt to push VE. Also, are you insinuating that me and VE are scum buddies together? | ||
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On June 12 2012 07:42 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't need to do any dance. What I DO need is for you to answer the point I raised. So like....why would you call it scummy when talking to Palmar yet call it "strange, NOT scummy" when talking to me? We're talking about the same event I assume (his post regarding me)...and while it's true that you followed up with "...but I can see a townie motivation", the fact of the matter is that you were careful to clarify that you thought it was NOT scummy with me, but you agreed with Palmar that it was "scummy". I don't know why I wrote it like that. It's obviously a contradiction like 7 minutes apart and pretty much wraps up my opinion of Meapak. I still lean that it was not necessarily a straight up scummy thing to do, but it obviously has scummy elements to it. I think the honest reason is that I wanted(and want) an alternative to a MZ lynch. I don't see it happening though. | ||
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On June 12 2012 07:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Who DO you want to lynch Rad? I mean, indecision is fine, but surely you have misgivings about someone right? I have misgivings about you, hesmyrr, chaoser, and Ace(by definition). I actually have very few solid reads right now which is strange for me. I'm way too short on time to come up with a solid argument for anyone though. Day 1 is not my forte, especially when I get unexpectedly cut down to 2 hours to make a decision. I'll be a bit more coherent once I can filter without rushing or looking for a candidate. | ||
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Radfield
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On June 12 2012 07:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I can switch off to Hes too...he's done nothing all game but sling shit at me and try and get me lynched without a case. I could get more behind this than a BB lynch. Though BB is probably better than MZ | ||
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Who would you have voted for yesterday. Who do you think is playing scummy. | ||
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On June 12 2012 16:54 Ace wrote: What did I miss? You missed iGrok's Good Clean Old-fashioned Mafia. What are your goals this game Ace? We have no roles, so any type confirmation is impossible. This is also a fairly high level game, which means our primary means of finding scum is going to be townies differentiating themselves from scum and playing a strong game, or townies laying down some solid analysis. You need to up your activity and pitch in, because right now you're giving us nothing to work with. | ||
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Radfield
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On June 11 2012 09:29 chaoser wrote: I actually wasn't even sure how RNGs really worked which is why I asked Radfield. As far as I can tell this never happened. Care to point it out to me? On June 11 2012 09:29 chaoser wrote: The fact that you show no suspicion to the usage of terms along with the rest of your posting makes me extremely suspicious of you. ##vote: greymist Can you elaborate on this? What kind of response did you expect to see from Greymist? Greymist, what did you expect to accomplish from voting Ace? That seems like a fairly lame-duck plan to generate content. | ||
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Radfield
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On June 12 2012 19:05 Ace wrote: I've got a major problem with Radfield's vote that "saved" Palmar. But now I've gotta go through the thread and check everyone's vote with their motives, and make sure they are consistent around the time they voted. Then I've gotta group everyone's votes into categories: "legit", "lolhehasdadumbs", "bullshit". THEN I've gotta check those votes against the one person I feel is surely Town and draw comparisons. But I'd rather not. Too boring. I'm voting for Radfield tomorrow, or shooting him tonight. There's the Ace we know and love. You can't shoot me though, I'm bulletproof. I like how when you are scum you find something someone has done and then just spin it as scummy like crazy. Look for an entire body of evidence.. nahh. I assume what your insinuating is that me and Palmar are scumbuddies, or that I wanted to save him for some sort of underhanded reasoning. I can assure you that if I was scum and Palmar town, I would push any lynch on him I possibly could. Palmar, like no other player on this site, correctly ID's me by Night 1 pretty much every game we have ever played. Certainly he busted me in LOTR and Arkham 2, and was on my case in Closed Casket. No way I would save him, especially when I had already given myself plenty of reason to not vote Meapak. | ||
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You getting lynched is a foregone conclusion. The question is how many cycles until that happens. I'd place the it at 2. I assume you'd take the over on that bet and leave me with the under. | ||
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Radfield
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 I like that mafia teams keep killing off good scum players. Off to bed, I'll post in the morning. BB, you're reading too much into that post. I was just explaining to ace that if I was scummily saving Palmar, the only option was for me and palmar to be scumbuddies, something he refused to just come out and say. | ||
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Radfield
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On June 13 2012 16:35 VisceraEyes wrote: This whole thread is full of people that are good scum players. WTF is this shit? Radfield, this is bullshit. I appreciate that you're still going on and on with BrownBoy about this retarded post with Ace, but can you maybe find some scum? Your only read has been me, who you promptly backpedaled and said you didn't want to lynch. Palmar thinks you're double-confirmed, but I think Palmar likes having his ego caressed gingerly. Like a lover. I think you're motherfucking scum. What do you think about that, SIR? @Palmar I'm lynching Radfield. If you get in my way, you're fucking scum. A) The whole thread is not full of good scum players. Not by a long shot, and mainly not even close to Ace's caliber. When mafia shoot people I am suspicious, I get happy. It's now happened the last 3 games. Bugs/Bugs/Ace B) Please point out to me where I went on and on with BB. C) My only read has most certainly not been you, though I did change my mind on you at the deadline. Presumably if you're town that makes me smart.... not scum. This is entire post is you stretching facts for no apparent reason than to set up your next post. + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Radfield Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. May I present Exhibit A: The Lie. I've bolded bits that I: 1) loved to hear Radfield say, and 2) have been infuriated to find he was lying about. What gets me also is the italicized statement. This is a terrible way to scumhunt. This is a MINI game. If we just lynch into strong scum players (which, by the way, is a lot of people in this game) then the game is just gonna end before we kill any ACTUAL scum. Radfield knows better than this. Radfield can do better than this. I tried to consider that maybe he was joking. That Radfield didn't actually say this and mean it. However, now I present Exhibit B: The Agenda. This was Radfield's response to Ace's flip... ...so he's apparently not joking. What happened to all this analysis he was "so excited" to do? The only thing he's done was NOT help town find a decent lynch candidate D1, but he has refused to do anything but try and shovel shit at Ace. Here's why Palmar thinks that Radfield is "double-confirmed". 1) Because Radfield's "lynch of choice" on D1 was, not surprisingly, Palmar's lynch of choice. And 2) Because Radfield was arguing with Ace N1 and Ace flipped with the Daypost. However, Radfield didn't switch off to BrownBear in the end did he? And not only that, but Radfield has spent all of N1 arguing with BB. Over what? His interaction with Ace Furthermore, Ace flipped with the daypost. Not only does this free up Radfield to go after his second best scum-read (BrownBear OMG THAT'S PALMAR'S LYNCH OF CHOICE! ^^), but it keeps him from having to actually make a case against Ace and try in earnest to get him lynched. Which, after all, was his intent, because again, by his estimation we should be lynching high-level scum players. Also, Radfield is concerned about Palmar as town when he's scum. This I can attest to, as we were scum together in AA and one of our top priorities that game was to remove Palmar from the game. Sadly, he was bulletproof. And a jerk. And caught us both. But Radfield knows that others are aware of his tendency to get caught by Palmar early game. Radfield also knows that Palmar is someone that knows how to get people to listen to him. I challenge Radfield to point out any actual content he's contributed to the thread. I further challenge Radfield to explain how lynching known high-level scum players in a high-level, invite-only game is a winning strategy. Radfield is playing an exceptionally manipulative scum game. It's a wonder he's known for his poor scum play. Vote for Radfield. Or Hesmyrr. They're both scum. I'm willing to lynch either one. You make 4 points here, all of which are BS. In fact, your case is built on straight up falsehoods, and nonsense. 1) That I am somehow going to push a policy lynch on Ace based on his scum-play. This is untrue, and if you actually read the thread you would see it never happened. In my first post I brought that up. Can you guess what my goal is at the beginning of the game? It's to generate discussion. I threw down both the policy lynched, and the RNG in an effort to get the game moving. RNG picked up steam, and you'll notice I never really mention policy lynching Ace again, except in context to compare it to RNG. I CERTAINLY do not base my vote on it, which is what you seem to be implying. 2)That I, as scum, killed Ace.... so I could " go after my second best scum read"? That makes no sense. How would going after Ace being even remotely difficult. He literally had zero content, and i never indicated I would build a case on him, precisely because of that fact. Also, in what world do mafia kill off their apparent strong scum reads... it only means a harder time to make a convincing case. 3)Not to mention that apparently BB is my second best scum read, when I've said nothing to that effect. In fact I've defended BB. Not once did I say I found BB scummy. Nor did I say I wanted to lynch him. In fact, I specifically stated I would rather lynch Hesmyrr than BB. Granted I did state that BB was probably better than MZ, but I had a middling read on both of them, which should be apparent by the thread. Radfield Wrote: I have misgivings about you(VE), hesmyrr, chaoser, and Ace(by definition). On June 12 2012 07:57 Radfield wrote: I could get more behind this than a BB lynch. Though BB is probably better than MZ Also, Radfield is concerned about Palmar as town when he's scum. This I can attest to, as we were scum together in AA and one of our top priorities that game was to remove Palmar from the game. Sadly, he was bulletproof. And a jerk. And caught us both. But Radfield knows that others are aware of his tendency to get caught by Palmar early game. Radfield also knows that Palmar is someone that knows how to get people to listen to him. What is this paragraph even saying... and how does it remotely relate to me being scum? Palmar's not dead. But yes, I agree that Palmar has good reads on me. What the F are you even trying to say here... This might actually be the worst case you've ever made VE. Half of your points didn't happen the way you are depicting, and half your points are things that are not remotely indicative of alignment. At the risk of OMGUSing, you're now back on my radar. I do agree with the case on Hesmyrr, though I'd like to reread him again. I don't really find his case on VE to be suspicious, as I think those were somewhat valid points. I do however find his total lack of follow-up and apparent disinterest with the lynch to be telling. I also think his reasoning for not following up was BS. I only mentioned my suspicions of VE AFTER Hesmyrr was around. So that cannot be the reason he did not push VE during the day. I'm still a bit unsure though, as there are things I like about Hesmyrr's play as well. Definitely willing to vote for him if I can't find a better alternative. | ||
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Radfield
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On June 13 2012 19:11 Palmar wrote: Do you think I'm wrong about gonz rad? I haven't actually filtered Gonzaw yet. He seemed pretty townie to me yesterday so I ignored him. His filter is also rather daunting. I'll check him out tonight. On June 13 2012 19:13 Palmar wrote: Also Radfield. VisceraEyes just changed the game. In what way do you think he changed the game? I don't know. Other than changing my opinion of him and making me take a closer look at him. How do you think the game changed. | ||
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On June 13 2012 19:25 Palmar wrote: Can you elaborate on how this changed your opinion on him? You seemed to initially think he was kinda fishy, but then you admitted to have misread(?) something he said and explained that he looked ok. What's your current stance? The case is absurdly stretchy, and doesn't actually have a single point which indicates I'm scum. It's damning by virtue of being so lackluster. I'm leaning scum on VE right now, but I'm not really sure as I haven't reread him. I'll let you know once I put some time in. There was something about his posting that set me off Day 1, but I couldn't put it into a coherent case. Once I reread him he didn't look all that bad, and I didn't want to force a case. On June 12 2012 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote: BB also says that MZ is pushing his own wagon, I'm assuming based on the comments he made on the wagon (I like the MZ lynch too, Should I hammer myself?, etc), but Palmar is actually the one who got the ball actually rolling on MZ. He and others are using "no resistance" as a means to resist MZ's lynch, which is always concerning for me. This post I originally misread when I skimmed it, thinking it was an indictment of MZ when it's obviously talking about Brownbear. I thought he was giving his reasons for voting MZ inside the brackets. He's not, and that wouldn't really make sense, but it's what you get when you skimread in a hurry. Why do you think BB is scum. His posting looks pretty decent to me. | ||
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On June 13 2012 15:44 BrownBear wrote: Also, real quick, we have the same number of posts now, so ha And I see what you mean now. Still though, something about it weirded me out. If Ace were still alive, we could ask him to clarify, but he isn't, so... That doesn't make sense. Why would you need to clarity with Ace, when you expressly asking ME to clarify. Your entire statement has nothing to do with Ace, only to do with me supposedly dodging the question. Please explain. Also, after a blitz review BB's posting doesn't look decent... I'll figure things out tonight. | ||
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