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On June 02 2012 09:02 slOosh wrote: Toad since you are here can you flesh out the GF explanation? This is also my beef with Sbrubbles. If it was so obvious that it would be a vote split between RB and framer, then mafia would understand that there is no need to vote 1-1-1 because the whole point you vote 1-1-1 is to slip by lie detection, not to confuse town what role mafia has. Hiro voted GF. You are claiming that he is one of mafia who still chose to vote 1-1-1 knowing that RB and framer are the only plausible roles that they will get. So why are you calling Hiro scum by saying that the situation would make a good scum play and therefore he must be scum? I want to vote Sbrubbles for the same reason, as well as how much resistance its been facing. Seriously like 2 or 3 times people just avert discussion away from that dude. mostly because of what happened in PYP. It's still an ongoing game so I don't think I can talk about this in detail can I? I already flipped in that game and the 2 people I'm thinking about flipped as well. Really don't know if I'm allowed to talk about it. | ||
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you are hiroprotagonist, aren't you? I think it's the 4th game we're playing together. | ||
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On June 02 2012 09:10 HiroPro wrote: I am not hiroprotagonist and I have never played a game with you in my life. I have played in newbie VI, newbie newbie VIII, and I am in Magic right now. LOL I assumed you're hiroProtagonist who shortened his nick to HiroPro. | ||
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On June 02 2012 09:17 Toadesstern wrote: LOL I assumed you're hiroProtagonist who shortened his nick to HiroPro. ok if you are in your 3rd / 4th game right now with only 2 newbie games finished so far I take back what I said. If that's the case I can believe the "to me it wasn't obvious it's either RB or GF", that in addition to everyone saying you look townish. Leaves the question why you didn't tell us your thoughts about the GF before the voting was done but again, with you only having finished 2 newbie games so far I buy that as well for now. ##vote Navillus | ||
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On June 02 2012 09:34 slOosh wrote: Nah - let's get some thoughts on Sbrubbles. Both Navillus and risk.nuke have shown apathy and disinterest in the game and both are worth a lurker lynch. I want thoughts on Sbrubbles. I don't think a sbrubbles lynch is going to happen and I don't think it's helpful to cluster up the thread 2 hours short of the deadline when we need people to vote someone else... | ||
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On June 02 2012 09:37 talismania wrote: unvote zephirdd vote navillus that's a wrong vote pattern. If kita is a dick that's not counting so please change that, thx. It needs the #-thingies. | ||
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About sbrubbles: I'll tell you once d2 has started for obvious reasons, sry. | ||
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On June 02 2012 19:35 Kurumi wrote: You can't even go to bed in those games. I find Toad staying up to 3am suspicious You went for a candidate who was the least discussed during the day. You went for THE WORST CANDIDATE. This is absolutely terrible. You all followed one person, what are you, lemmings? Why do I always need to cleanup myself. I had to stay up until 1am anyways for the deadline of the game I'm hosting and the deadline in greymists game. Not to mention I usually stay up until 3am reading Game of thrones anyways on weekends because I'm happy I don't have to wake up on 8am. About the votes getting track so fast: 1) It was a pain in the ass to get people vote someone. I'd definitely not say it went fast lol 2) What about the secret vote mafia had? We had 8 people on the guy, we had a secret vote that was, from the looks of it not used or invisible. The point here is that mafia did not have to secure a lynch given we only needed 6 to lynch instead of 7 and them having a secret vote. That makes analysis a bit tricky because mafia could as well have just put the secret vote on that guy and not voted him. That's all I've got to say for now. There's 2 people who are looking awful right now and I'm going to say something about them once I'm back. | ||
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It's 5-5 according to our votes. Mafia either has a framer or a RB and I don't want to give them hints either way and neither should you. We need to talk about the poisons though. | ||
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We lynch Prplhz today Here's why: On May 30 2012 23:16 prplhz wrote: [...] It's very important for town that we know what role we give them today to eliminate any sort of confusion. If we don't know what role we give them, then they can just argue as if they had any role, and town will just argue along with them. While it's very hard, I think it's very very important that we get a majority+3 on their role so we are absolutely sure what they got. This is even more important than what they end up getting. Tracker/Medic/Roleblocker combination sounds pretty good to me. What do you mean "without fear of the tracker caliming"? @Radfield What do you mean "scum are going to lie about their votes anyway"? I consider that mafia agenda. "It is very important for town that we know what role we give to eliminate confusion"? Yeah we eliminate mafia confusion by telling them what they'll get so they can counter pick, On June 01 2012 04:15 prplhz wrote: [...] What do you think about wherebugsgo, Navilus and risk.nuke? On June 01 2012 21:07 prplhz wrote: I still want to lynch wherebugsgo. [...] I still want to lynch wherebugsgo. On June 02 2012 03:04 prplhz wrote: I'm okay with lynching Sbrubbles. [...] On June 02 2012 08:01 prplhz wrote: I'm up for Toadesstern since Sbrubbles isn't happening. That's a lot of people he's willing to lynch without saying a thing about them except for wbg. The "case" on wbg was "WBG hasn't posted, therefore he has to be mafia because he doesn't care about the game" while at least half the players in this game had very few posts at that time. The rest is a bunch of mentions without actually saying why and I already said what I think about stuff like that: Looks like people testing watertemperature with their toes to check out what can get momentum without doing something themselves. Furthermore Navilus apparently was on his radar for not posting a lot, just like risk yet later on he says Nav not posting is a sign for townieness? Will come to that next but that's really odd. On June 02 2012 05:27 prplhz wrote: @wherebugsgo I don't think that Navilus is scum. First, the guy has never played scum before. Second, his only contributions on day1 so far has been a post saying what he voted, and him calling you out. It doesn't look like he's just trying to avoid mod kill and it very much doesn't look like he's scum trying to hide with only 2 paltry posts during the whole day. I don't think first time scum will not do anything during the day than pick on a town wherebugsgo (but then again, are you town?) Moreover, in the last game I played with him he was also unavailable for a part of the game. You say that he didn't comment on the lynch, one thing that all scum knows to do at all times is have some sort of opinion on the lynch. I'd very much like to keep him around for now. How do you feel that Sbrubbles has argued in a way that's not scummy, but even townie? Navilus defense #1 The reasoning here basicly is: "He never played mafia before. I think he would know better than to hide like that with only 2 posts." I'd consider that a contradiction. Everyone knows people who play mafia for the first time and what's the most frequent mistake those people make? They're not posting because they're scared and trying to hide to hard. At least that's how I have seen most people play their first time game as mafia. This defense makes no sense from a townie point of view no matter who nav was talking about in his two posts. On June 02 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote: Read his town games, read his day0 play this game, first time scum mostly try not to stick out and he absolutely knows how to do this better than this. He is sticking out very much with his two measly posts and I very much doubt any scum would think that this would ever be enough not to get lynched. I expect him to get back and tell us why he's been playing so horribly on day1 but I don't think that he's scum right now. I'm not saying he's new, I'm saying he's first time scum. Navilus defense #2 Again. He says that first time scums mosty try not to stick out, as in they usually want to hide, yet he says "he absolutely knows how to do this better than this". How in the world do you know he can do better than this if he never played mafia before? How do you know he's not scared to post like most mafias are in their first game? Again, this defense makes so sense from a town point of view. On June 02 2012 05:44 prplhz wrote: I'm really just asking if you can clarify what you said. Remember his posts from earlier? Sure wbg is not backing up a thing but he's giving his basic thoughts. Now look back a bit and check out the posts prplhz did when he wanted to hear oppinions / accused people. He said nothing, he simply mentioned the names except for the WBG "case". That's as hypocritical as it can get. On June 02 2012 09:02 prplhz wrote: Blues always say stuff like "It's really not a good idea to lynch me." and "Trust me on this one." and "Town shouldn't lynch me." I don't know how I manage to miss it all the time. I'm most likely joining a Navilus lynch because I want a lynch Before, he was just being afk and his day0 actions didn't look too different from everybody else. I played with him before when he was town and afk, and when he came back he was really sorry about it (and wrote a huge post explaining exactly why he was afk). He doesn't look remorseful at all here, that post looks like he wants any sort of heat off of him and hopes that I'll just keep defending him 'cause that's what I did before. Well I'm not gonna. I'm not all convinced about this but it's the best we can realistically achieve today I think. ##Unvote Sbrubbles ##Vote Navilus Probably the weakest explanation for a vote I've ever seen. "sup guys. THAT GUY IS TOWN SHUT UP.... Oh, I guess he hasn't said he's sorry for being afk so long. Probably means he's mafia" Fancy conclusion:
Lynch Prplhz please, thanks. | ||
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On June 03 2012 12:45 HiroPro wrote: I've just finished going through filters again with a fresh mind. Not much new stuff was there obviously but there are some things I missed when I first read through everyone. Toad: I noticed that one of the points in your case on prplhz is that he made a push against WBG with weak reasoning. I agree with this. However, at a very similar time you yourself say that you want to lynch WBG. Please explain why why/when your suspicions on WBG dropped and why you believe that this is scummy behavior by prplhz when you yourself express similar thoughts. It was very early and what prplhz said was given for AT LEAST 4 other players as well however I agreed with it at that time because I found him not knowing about the 24h part weird, not because of the not posting part. Same conclusion but for another reason and again, his case on WBG was really not existing at that point in time and he kept on saying lynching wbg is the way to go. On June 03 2012 13:43 Zephirdd wrote: Bntw posting from phone while drunkl. Hooray saturdays. I liedm. I was trying to grab shots in my face. Radfield, idk where you took that -m blue, but ita fun how you instantly bring that I'm not dead. My post at night was a roleblocker/shot magnet. I was not roleblocked so I assume there is a framer out there. toad, you tk a lot abou prp defending naviludd, but how does defending a town makes him scum? akso I want to see more risk posts. He is posting too little imo. Oh I don't know. How does defending a town make make him scum.... You're really asking me that question? In case that's not irony: That's how mafia get towncred. They can't / don't want to bus mafias early on so they're busting out a couple of townreads to tell people "told ya!" when they get lynched and tell them, that they defended them. Defending a townie however doesn't make him mafia. The fact that he defends nav WITHOUT a reason or a reasonable suggestion makes him mafia. He just gets in there says the guy is probably better as mafia if he's mafia because he never played mafia before. I have never seen a townie defend someone else like that, no matter if mafia or town before. WBG told him what prplhz posted about nav is bullshit, Kurumi said it's bullshit and I said so as well. We all kept saying his "defense" was as weird as it can get, not knowing why at that point in time. Now we know why it's weird. He wanted to defend that townie because he KNEW he was a townie which looked odd for everyone else because they had not that kind of information. Haven't read prplhz's post yet. Will do next :p | ||
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On June 03 2012 11:13 Radfield wrote: Oh yes, and 1 shot cop should claim obviously. It's possible that this is a decent time for any innocent child to claim, but I'm not sure. There is an optimum time for the IC to claim though, and it's not necessarily only when they are on the ropes. Consider that an IC dying from a nightkill before they have claimed is a completely useless role. The strength comes from us having a confirmed townie for a while, and forcing mafia to shoot in a particular direction(shielding other strong players and the other power role). Tracker should claim if he tracked mafia to a kill or a frame, though ideally you simply push and build a case first, and only claim if necessary. Standard stuff really. pretty sure we have a tracker and a medic. Blue basicly confirmed that yesterday, not sure if we can talk about it. That being said I mentioned tracker and medic for no specific reason and it probably means nothing, but I guess if someone wanted to check what blue posted before the deadline that could be interesting. :p | ||
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On June 04 2012 00:08 Zephirdd wrote: 1. You're basically saying that town will stab itself on the foot by lynching me -_- 2. That makes no sense. Wbg is a known veteran and obvious target; Radfield and Kurumi, even though are veterans, have suspicion over eachother(or that's how I see it). Besides, we don't know your alignment; As far as we know, you killed wbg because you thought he'd find you. Also, with noone claiming to be roleblocked so far, I think it's safe to assume the mafia got a Framer. This is specially true because I wasn't roleblocked even though I "basically" had blueclaimed. Kurumi not being roleblocked/killed isn't incredible, however: mafia knows if there is any Vigilante in game, and Kurumi claiming vigilante would only mean to them "lol fakeclaim" if there is no vigilante in the setup. Not sure what to make about prplhz and toadestern. Zero time to make real long-term analysis, but Toad making such a huge fancy case against prplhz and not answering his rebuttal seems odd. Toad, do you still think prplhz is scum? Also, prpl Why would you be worried about someone making a case on you? To whom it may concern: What is your opinion on Toades/Kurumi X prplhz? My opinion is that Toadesstern is making a bad case and trying to push for a mislynch. Kurumi gives very little reasoning to his posts, and tunnels himself on a player of choice(Radfield day0/1, prplhz night1/day1). prplhz has answered most of the questions with reasonable responses. Go you~ Two things. 1) Look at this post from another game: On June 03 2012 23:02 Toadesstern wrote: voted gambit because I have to leave in something like 15 minutes and don't know wether or not I'll be here before the deadline hits. I think so but I can't say for sure. Sorry I answered the questions that are fast to answer and left the big post because I was in a hurry and I still am. Just arrived at my place and I'm gone in 10 minutes again to fetch me something from McDonalds because I'm starving and will be gone with friends until probably something like 24:00 my time. I thought it's silly how I keep on telling everyone how I'm afk for half a day when I'm taking the train to my parents place or the other way around and therefore have not mentioned it. Sorry I will now start constantly updating about my personal life and tell you exactly why I haven't answered in time if it comes to a scenario like that again. 2) You either haven't understoof my case or haven't read it properly. Prplhz's answers are in fact pointless as nothing he says diminishes anything I said but just for the sake of it: My case is not (as you have stated) about prplhz defending a townie. My case is about him defending someone who flipped town while everyone agreed that he looks bad and at the same time prplhz told people he's town without giving a proper reasoning to back this up. Go back an read what prplhz posted about Nav. Do it and if you come back and can tell me that what prplhz said about Nav is a reason not only to consider someone town but also to disagree in a very cleary way I just won't say a thing anymore. There is not a SINGLE legit reason why he says he thinks the guy is town. NOT A SINGLE ONE but yet he keeps saying the guy is town only to make the weirdest and weakest switch I have ever seen. There is simply no way a townie would come up with something like that. If he had said something along the lines of "I'm not sure about the lynch yet" fine but he did not, he basicly said "the guy is too scummy for scum and as someone who never played mafia at all he definitely should know better than that". That is not a reason to call someone town unless you know the guy is town. | ||
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