EPTGive me that spot and if I don't out in 3 or 4 days I'm taking it :p
Edit: Holy shit that innocent child looks like a sexy role for me :p
Pick Your Poison Mafia
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Toadesstern
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Give me that spot and if I don't out in 3 or 4 days I'm taking it :p Edit: Holy shit that innocent child looks like a sexy role for me :p | ||
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That didn't end up well last time in irc :p I think kita and prplhz played that game as well lol | ||
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I'd say RB looks like the best to give them. There are 2 major advantages I consider: RB is hard to play. You have to "bluesnipe" with that thing and don't know wether or not you hit a blue. A Framer is kinda easy to do. Just target your buddy or target a townie that was up for lynch and you're good to go. You have a decent chance to screw town that way. 2nd Point is that a framer is way more dangerous than a RB. If we have a RB in play and some guy told us he got rb'ed, awesome, that's it. If we have a framer in play and some cop or tracker checked someone that can possibly end up disastrous. Just picture C9++ #2. I'd rather take the more steady and easy to read role. No shenanigans along the lines of "yeah but what if they framed him? What if he is the godfather" that end up splitting town in half pretty much every game. So yeah I'd say Roleblocker is the way to go. | ||
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Toadesstern
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At the same time day1 votes are usually incredible hard to get a majority on a target at all. Again, just picture C9++ #2. The instant majority doesn't change a thing about it because the question is more or less wether we're able to get enough people follow the same lead and not wether we have multiple people that are everyone is williing to vote in a heartbeat. So while the #1 poison might be dangerous later on I don't think it's dangerous early on. | ||
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I think it's somewhat dangerous d1 because it's more likely to give us a NL but it's incredible easy to use later on in the right moment giving us about no drawbacks at all. | ||
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On May 30 2012 21:51 Zephirdd wrote: IMO secret ballot shouldn't be used. Too much confusion if I understood it right. Also, scratch the last encrypted code. + Show Spoiler [what I picked] + ?b64xF1yM2Qy++9qlohfAHP+g6g4nA5rLPIXvQn02yFKhlP1oswI+B5HmNw3lsK+ KGjOakHLoluNDfPdwJr/5SCNaPlvWY0KLbBASU3hwAarQWXqXoOpMxJ4iOha1wdA ma7znGXACp71St85QQ94UsZElCjJzs6tgTzXhAn15x0jtcruTYHQMGjgr5PTTkhy w5uy?64b I don't see anyone doing that yet, and I'm sad  please post, encrypted, the role you picked for mafia(try to encrypt a phrase like "I picked *** because YYY" so it's hard to reverse-crack it). After this phase we de-crack our codes and verify the role we made mafia pick.give us some time. We're still considering things and right now I think radfield and I are right about the roleblocker. I need to think things over at least a couple of hours or you get like 20 different strings from me :p | ||
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On May 30 2012 21:52 Radfield wrote: No, if we don't all decide on roleblocker, and KNOW that we have given them roleblocker, mafia just give us the cop and the tracker, and we can't trust either role because we don't know if there is a gf or framer. Which essentially means that we get no power roles, or worse, we get roles we can't trust. We NEED to know that they got roleblocker, or else all our checks are suspect, and mafia can talk themselves out of any red check. In every single scenario it is worth giving them roleblocker, and KNOWING that we have given them roleblocker. exactly: On May 30 2012 21:15 Toadesstern wrote: [...] 2nd Point is that a framer is way more dangerous than a RB. If we have a RB in play and some guy told us he got rb'ed, awesome, that's it. If we have a framer in play and some cop or tracker checked someone that can possibly end up disastrous. Just picture C9++ #2. [...] A scenario like that is pretty much worst case scenario for us. I don't want to have town argue about wether or not a DT / tracker can be trusted or not because that usually ends up in a shitstorm and we don't get a lot of information out of it at all. | ||
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Toadesstern
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It's not like mafia will hop in there "olol let's hammer" and get 3 votes on the same guy lynching a townie. It would need coordination because we'd want to know who people are willing to vote for before actually voting to ensure we don't end the cycle early. If we can manage that coordination that poison looks the weakest d1 to me. But it's kinda risky if people lack the patience / coordination to talk things through before voting. That being said I'm not going to vote the majority +1 poison because as mentioned I think we're already going to have a hard time getting a majority anyways. The +1 vote for mafia poison seems okay and there's really not a lot that could go wrong like that and it might be dangerous later in the game. So yeah I'm willing to vote those two and as I'm apparently the only one that thinks the instant majority thing is not dangerous on d1 it's going to be the +1 vote for mafia poison. | ||
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On May 31 2012 04:56 slOosh wrote: If we have a hard time getting a majority then how is giving mafia +1 vote poison a good idea? because that has nothing to do with towns ability to get enough people on the same guy. | ||
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On May 31 2012 05:02 talismania wrote: I don't follow this - the difference between +1 majority and +1 mafia vote is either us having to get 6 votes together or us having to get 7 votes together. If you're really scared about getting a majority together day one then why aren't you pushing for mayoral election? that's really a nice poison later on imo. Townreads are easier to make but they tend to be wrong early on from time to time. It could happen that we end up voting a mafia as mayor or not so mart man into office. I don't like both options d1 That could be a nice poison later in the game that has about no drawbacks. | ||
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On May 31 2012 05:33 HiroPro wrote: Toad: I agree with you on the mayoral vote being a good mid-game poison and "secret hidden vote" being a good d1 choice. But I don't really get why you feel that "+1 majority vote" is bad for d2. I know that wheel of fortune had a problem with no-lynches, but looking at some other recent normal minis "C9++ and Mr Wiggles II", neither of them had any no-lynches. And day 2 is a time when you have stuff to analyze and look at; consolidation shouldn't be a problem. Not that I have read those games but as far as I had it the last couple of games: It's either a NL or some mediorce compromise instead of a good lynch. Compromise that start off a "well let's see who is willing to vote whom to get a lynch happening"-basis generally lead to a mislynch. That's how I've seen my most recent games. | ||
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On May 31 2012 05:56 prplhz wrote: Bluelightz says that scum votes for town's role and town votes for scum's role, but not that scum don't vote for town's role. The reason why I was confused about this in the first place is because the OP actually says "town votes for scum role" and I don't know if "town" actually includes scum. I'm still a little confused but everybody seems to think that scum don't vote so I guess that they don't. the vice versa part makes it quite clear it's "only town votes for mafia roles" imo. | ||
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On May 31 2012 08:07 Radfield wrote: Always tryin to bandwagon me toad  I am pretty sure it' the other way around | ||
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Ah crap no. You actually were first to say that :p | ||
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The thing is that we're lacking activity right now, we haven't even got an update from everyone what they've voted and we need that. What's the point in talking about those things when people aren't even in here telling us what they voted? I'm a bit happy this game is slow so that I don't have so much to read because I'm also in another game which is quite a lot to read but come on, we really need some updates here. Frankly so far the discussion was very light. We talked about stuff that is very easy to have different opionions about. As mentioned I said I consider the RB less dangerous than a framer. Other people said they think otherwise and as mentioned, that's stuff you can easily talk about as mafia. We need to get something real to talk about and the votes would be a nice start. So basicly while I've got some things I like about different people I have to take everything with a grain of salt because everything that was said so far could perfectly be the truth for everyone, no matter of alignment. Maybe mafia lied to try and influence people into giving them what they think is more dangerous but it could just be that mafia told the truth as well making it really hard to judge people based on what happened d0. Long story short: Get in here. I want those votes. | ||
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On June 01 2012 01:25 prplhz wrote: [...] @Toadesstern What do you think about it? You are acting as if my post had "Toadesstern" in place of all the "wherebugsgo"s. You are saying that you want more content and that the thread is in a bad state, and then you say that you're not going to do anything until everybody has been in here and told you their vote. That's pretty self contradictory behavior. Give me something. I'm saying that I have the same read about multiple people right now. It could be on purpose, it could be frustration and it's more of a sign of lazyness than an indication of scummyness right now. | ||
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I checked that section like 5 times to be sure on how to vote, who has to vote what and stuff. Remember when people asked wether mafia gets to vote together with town about the mafia roles? Or the poison? I thought early on we don't have a poison on d1 because we only vote at n1 as in, first poison on d2. I read the OP once every game and when questions like those appear I check the parragraph again. I was frankly quite shocked that wbg didn't know it's only a 24h cycle because again. Those are the things I keep checking again and again to make sure I understand the details. I'd take the "didn't know about the 24h"-thing much more as an "not caring about the game"-argument than the fact that people are posting so little right now. | ||
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