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On prplhz's case, I dissagree that his argument, on making sure mafia knew they were getting roleblocker so that we'd be sure of what they have, was scummy. I still think it is wrong, but I saw merit in Rad's case for it. Prplhz posting D1 (pre-Nav switch) was null to me (he pressured wbg based on meta and voted for me without much of an argument). Not the best way to conduct discussion by far, but it didn't feel like he was actively trying to mislead. I do think his Nav switch was funky though. His argument boils down to "I want a lynch. I didn't want to before because the last game he lurked, came back saying he was sorry and was town. Now he doesn't look like he's sorry". + Show Spoiler + On June 02 2012 09:02 prplhz wrote: Blues always say stuff like "It's really not a good idea to lynch me." and "Trust me on this one." and "Town shouldn't lynch me." I don't know how I manage to miss it all the time. I'm most likely joining a Navilus lynch because I want a lynch Before, he was just being afk and his day0 actions didn't look too different from everybody else. I played with him before when he was town and afk, and when he came back he was really sorry about it (and wrote a huge post explaining exactly why he was afk). He doesn't look remorseful at all here, that post looks like he wants any sort of heat off of him and hopes that I'll just keep defending him 'cause that's what I did before. Well I'm not gonna. I'm not all convinced about this but it's the best we can realistically achieve today I think. ##Unvote Sbrubbles ##Vote Navilus Thinking on Toad, I agree with most of Rad's case. It was strange him suddenly calling wbg scum D1 (without an explanation, after treating him as null) and that it was odd for him to be focusing so much on the fact that prplhz defended Nav. I don't see "see you D2" as a scumslip. Right now I'm leaning more scum on Toad than on prplhz, but, that said, I think risk.nuke is our best lynch for today: 1) His D1 is comprised of accusing a total of 4 people, without explanations, + Show Spoiler + On June 01 2012 22:02 risk.nuke wrote: I am pleased with radfield and I no longer want to make radpie. On the other hand I believe we could vastly benefit from shortening hiro by a head, turning sloosh into slush and murdering zepphird. + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:54 risk.nuke wrote: Dearest Kurumi, I am Mr. Lovett. lets make some Radpie. 2) Followed by him pushing Zeph during N1. This smells of a scum push because 1) his reasons aren't clear (he poses the Zeph lynch as both an information lynch and a scum lynch) and 2) uses the mafia kill, which is a minefield of wifom, as his primary argument (using it as an additional argument is doable, but this is not the case), which, actually, is the only argument he chooses to discuss. + Show Spoiler + On June 03 2012 23:50 risk.nuke wrote: I think we should lynch zephirdd for two reasons. 1. It will shed light on the voteswitch. It is infact very important that we learn zephirdds aligntment or we'll just stab ourselves in the foot if he turns out to be town. 2. Wbg was for lynching 3 people. Myself, Navillus and Zephirdd (And kurumi who he might not have pushed for because he didn't think he could get him lynched). Wbg was killed which indicates that the mafia believed he was on to something. Knowing that I am town, Navillus is town that leaves Zephirdd (and Kurumi). Also, @Radfield, On June 04 2012 05:19 Radfield wrote: Sbrubbles, you mentioned that Hiropro preferred framer to godfather on D0, but I don't see it. Care to help me out? I mentioned he preferred framer to roleblocker, not to godfather. | ||
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On June 04 2012 23:05 prplhz wrote: Well, with Radfield it's almost like either we lynch him or we do what he says. I don't understand how he can say that he wouldn't be opposed to a vigilante shooting me over risk.nuke day1 because vigilantes on day1 shoot to take out trash. They don't shoot into active contributing people. It's pretty clear (and common knowledge I should think) that anybody should prefer having me around at LYLO as opposed to a guy who posted as poorly as risk.nuke. Radfield even says that he can get a clear read on risk.nuke, how can he get a clear read on somebody who is barely posting? Why can't he get a clear read on me when he's had that in the last few games we played together? That said, I don't think Radfield looks too much like he did in LotR mafia (where he was scum) and more like he did in more recent town games (that's why I want him to post a more recent scum game so I can see if he started playing differently). I have other scum reads but I really want to talk to Radfield first even though I know I'm cutting time short here. I also think that risk.nuke is on to something when he said that shooting wherebugsgo was about wherebugsgo's reads. If there isn't a medic then it's 100% sure that Radfield is scum 'cause there's no way in hell that scum would shoot wherebugsgo over Radfield. If there is a medic, then it's still a somewhat risky move to shoot wherebugsgo when instead they could have tried to bluesnipe (but maybe that's what they were doing I just thought right now). wherebugsgo wanted to lynch Navilus, risk.nuke, Toadesstern, and Kurumi and then he wanted to look into Navilus' middle voters; prplhz, Toadesstern, talismania, slOosh. There's something about that or else I don't see why scum would shoot wherebugsgo. + Show Spoiler + prplhz is purple haze? Mind = blown While I do agree scum would usually shoot Rad over wbg, we could have any number of explanations, including: we have a medic, wbg was right about someone, nobody was right on their strongest reads (Rad included), Rad is scum or scum shot suboptimally. I disagree that wbg was shot over his reads, because, even if he was right, he wasn't being actively pushing any one of them (and there were a lot as you pointed out). Pushing the idea that wbg was right in order to attack Zephirdd (without an actual case) is the main reason why I think risk's scum. | ||
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On June 05 2012 07:56 slOosh wrote: Could we have your current thoughts on prplhz? You could, but I'd rather wait until the end of the night. | ||
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On June 05 2012 08:05 Radfield wrote: or do you mean, the start of day 3? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iIZYR.jpg) | ||
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risk.nuke: I've said what I needed to say about risk in my case during D2. His posts since are just more of the same, but I wanna point this one out: + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2012 05:06 risk.nuke wrote: Zephirdd I'm starting to doubt my read on zeph. When I analyzed him logicaly I felt confident in my read. Today when I reread his filter I'm feeling. It feels as he is sincere. Especially his last posts. I'm starting to lean more to it's just bad play rather then scum-agenda. Ignoring and other stuff What I ment with ignoring was that when I said that maybe "HEY JUST MAYBE" we should consider the reads of the guy who the mafia killed and see what he was on to you said nothing. I mean the "they killed wbg because of his status as a veteran" is weaker then weak and that goes without saying. He's not a better scumhunter then average. And saying he gets better as the game progress, that goes for everyone. If your case is he gets better compared to others later in the game, that is false. If you insist on this I can get game-links. Right now your view on the scum killing wbg is they played suboptimally. That is a joke and is the number one reason I mistrust you. Nor did they give us a medic. Not beeing able to shoot whoever they want is just setting themselves up for disadvantage. I'd guess they gave us a tracker and an innocent child. They absolutely didn't give us a vig. So did they give us 1-shot cop who confirms two townies or 1townie/1scum at any point in the game. The thing that makes an innocent child less powerfull in this setup is because with a known amounts of blues they can't counterclaim without going for a 50/50 so that make all blues powerfuller (exept child). Lynches As for lynches I'd like to lynch kurumi. If I can't get support for that I'm torn between lynching sloosh and sbrubbles. Innocent Child is a stupidly good role in this setup. Why would he think there is one? And why try to divert the talk into mechanics at a time when discussion was very important to figure out the lynch? | ||
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On June 07 2012 14:10 HiroPro wrote: The reason why I'm not posting it now is that it will not influence the lynch at all, but it does help mafia in their decision for the night kill. Risk's flip does not affect my case at all, as everyone in the game has said that they want risk to be lynched. While it is true that discussion has stalled, I don't think this will carry over at all as a mayor election will come up and the last mafia still needs to be found (assuming risk is scum). I'll have my case and full list of reads out before the end of night. I agree with Hiro, this works like night time. About tomorrow's poison, we'll have a better idea once risk's actually flipped, but I think we can choose mayor lynch. I don't think it will be necessary for IC to claim because with only one mafia left, I doubt that he'll try to run for mayor, but even if he does he'll be under major scrutiny. Tracker can consider claiming (if he feels it will help with defining the mayor lynch), because the remaining scum will have no way of counter claiming (since we'd have time to kill them both). Bleulightz, I'm confused. Majority is players/2+1 now, meaning players/2+2 because of the poison? | ||
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 ). I really can't explain what happened. Still, it didn't matter too much because I already had messed up by then.Playing town means you have to use practically all your energy to point your finger at people you think are scum. You've got to defend yourself at times, but even if you can't do it, at least you can hope whoever is accusing you looks scummy because of it. Playing scum feels like you always have to have a plan and an answer, and frankly I usually had neither. Here are some thoughts, though: I totally agree on the Toad scumslip. Bonus points because it pointed at me indirectly  .Why did town not consider a NL considering it's mylo? I know there was a really good target (me), but still. I really think talis' encryption thing for the votes helped town out a lot, even if not everyone did it. I would have been happier if everyone went with Radfield on that one (when he said we should just claim afterwards because it wouldn't really matter). We, as scum, could have planned out better on how to deceive town as to what role we really had. I had some ideas but in the end I chickened out (check the scum qt for that). Rad's case on Toad was suberb in my opinion (even without the scumslip thing). I think it deserves special recognition. | ||
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