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chaoser
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On June 05 2012 08:15 Ace wrote: Will update the OP with changes later, but the game will start at night. Also I hosted this game in real life last weekend - it is SO freaking insane with people that just dont give a ****! Add in coag and we can probably recreate the same insanity | ||
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chaoser
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Since you yourself did not volunteer immediately to shoot on day 1, I was wondering if you'd like to start us off by shooting on day 1. In this game, to find 3 out of the 4 mafia, I feel like it's pretty easy. We just force the person we think is the most suspicious to shoot the person THEY think is most suspicious. If they can shoot, they are not one of the three regular mafia. The only anti-town that gets out of this is the GF and the SK but they should be easy to narrow down when we combine this method with regular analysis. If they can't shoot, then they are either mafia or blue. In terms of blue roles, I actually don't think they matter that much this game and I'd totally be ok with any blue role that gets suspected and put on the spot to shoot to just claim. RB is nerfed this game to only be able to roleblock the same person on every other night so that means mafia can't just nilly willy claim blue and then when they don't die to mafia gunfire for a few days, get off scott free. So basically it goes discussion--->decide who is "most suspicious"--->force them to shoot who THEY think is most suspicious--->if they can't shoot, they will be forced to claim--->we then decide if the claim is valid or not--->shoot if we don't think the claim is valid. | ||
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chaoser
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Nice plan, the 3 scum get 3 free town deaths with this. How do scum get three free deaths? | ||
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On June 12 2012 01:20 rastaban wrote: Exactly, Millers can claim now (what I prefer as it gives us information now), or they can not claim (as Toad prefers as the confusion may stifle real discussion). Later in the game someone we are suspicious of is checked by a cop and shows red, he then claims miller. He still gets shot as the time for claiming has past and it gives mafia an out. Scum (except GF) can't shoot so no they don't. However I don't know about the plan of having them shoot whoever they think is most suspicious. If they are town and are in that spot they have most likely been playing sub-optimally (the reason they are in this spot to begin with) so having them make the call seems like it could wind up with us losing more obvious townies. Maybe they shoot the second most suspicious person. Its like a duel where the 2 most suspicious people have to shoot it out and if one is mafia 3/4ths of the time he doesn't have a gun to shoot back with. I was actually thinking of this too but I ended up picking the "they get to shoot who they think is most suspicious" cause I didn't want it to be all town controlled and that person has no control whatsoever. From playing in Liar's Game, it was very easy to see that people played extremely sub-optimally when people felt left out or not in control. Also I felt like if the person was allowed to shoot the person they felt was most suspicious, if they hit mafia, then they get a retrieval and if they hit a townie, they would be more likely to re-evaluate their actions and thoughts up to that point and thus return as a better "player" the following cycle. | ||
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On June 12 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote: The scum GF is going to have a lot of power. He can shoot teammates for towncred if they get a big enough lead. Anyway, this setup speculation is fun and everything, but I'm mostly interested to hear from people who haven't posted yet. That's why we take everything with a grain of salt? Or do you guys just not re-evaluate ever as game goes on lol? There's no such thing as absolute towncred; If someone is killing it and destroying mafia left and right and yet still making it to endgame, you can be sure, when stacked up with the other remaining survivors, that he's mafia. | ||
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chaoser
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( also why did chaos threaten to shoot a claimed miller when like 90% of thread is indicating that they approve of the plan on some level??) that just doesnt feel right. When did I say this? | ||
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I find one problem with having the most suspicious player shoot the guy he thinks is scum and not the 2nd most suspicious player: If that player is the Godfather he will easily shoot a townie. This is not that big a problem since they would have to justify their shot. Once again, by forcing them to make their own shot ,they have respectability and we can call them out of it. If it's town dictated, we'd have to all agree on not only someone that's the most suspicious but also on a second most suspicious person. If they flip town, then we can't later go back and see, oh, this might be GF-motivated kill. I'd rather have a GF shoot a townie and then have to justify it than a GF shoot a town pushed townie and then he doesn't have to justify it. | ||
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This is a Dirty South set-up also known as a day killing game. The way this works is that almost everyone can kill another player in the game by typing ##kill(##Kill): player in the thread. If possible I will kill that player and the game moves on to night phase. There are No Lynches in this format so there is no voting. Day ends when someone kills. If SK didn't kill at night, he is forced to shoot in the morning or else he is modkilled. His shot will also end the day. So, as you can see, SK WANTS to shoot at night unless he knows he will be forced by town to shoot the next morning. | ||
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On June 12 2012 13:21 MrZentor wrote: The post says that the days ends when the first person is killed. Couldn't we just keep talking but not kill anybody for a few days? Pretty sure 1) We'll run out of things to say or just go in circles 2) Ace will probably put a limit on like 48 hours and then we just "no shot" and move straight to night 3) Someone will probably get trigger happy and shoot anyway. I want gonzaw to shoot. We already had 24 hours of discussion since night 0 happened, we've got our suspicions. Let's go gonzaw, chop chop. | ||
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chaoser
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(Unless you want him to shoot right away as a proof of his possible towny-ness, or at least gun ownership, while effectively modkilling the SK if we've understood right how the role works?) Bingo. I think he's scummy and also unlikely to be SK and so why not kill two birds with one stone. | ||
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On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote: If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person. If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow. I am down with this. Though I think it's better if while we concurrently try to find a target for him that he also tries to find a target for himself so that if we can't find him a target, he will atleast have put out a "case" against someone that we can then analyze and shit. | ||
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On June 13 2012 00:01 MrZentor wrote: Do you agree that Chaoser is scummy? I'm ok with gonzaw shooting me right now. | ||
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My asking him to do it though, does bring out a shit ton of pressure. First of all, to gonzaw, given his stances so far, I should be appearing extremely scummy to ask him to shoot immediately and he should be all over me trying to pressure me about why I was doing something that he SHOULD be considering to be scummy. But he doesn't. Instead he starts focusing on the SK when he SHOULD be focusing on mafia. "RoL is SK, no wait, WBG is SK." He's not responding back to my asking him to shoot; in fact he's taken a passive stance to it "I will only shoot if everyone wants me to". Given what he had said previously (and his play in previous games), he SHOULD be acting like zentor, but instead he's backing away from my pressure. Well I'm turning on the full pressure now. Gonzaw, you can shoot me if you want, let's see it. Or do you want to say you don't think I'm scummy? The beautiful thing about this game is that everyone can act on their reads if they want. That means mafia can't just go off making cases against people because in the end, they would be forced to back it up (shoot). That puts a lot of restrictions on mafia. Townies however, don't have that restriction; to be sure, townies are somewhat restricted but they are not as restricted as mafia. So to pressure them to shoot their suspicions, is one very good way to catch mafia. If they can't respond, then they're mafia since they can't shoot. | ||
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chaoser
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Cause I think he's mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2012 00:43 marvellosity wrote: Someone remind me why we want to give mafia a chance to shoot people instead of just shooting them cause mafia can't shoot in the day unless they're the GF. I don't think gonzaw is a GF if he's mafia because in his first post he tries to push the responsibility of the first day's kill to the miller. | ||
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chaoser
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And then he just plays his regular game that he played in Liar's Game and he'd probably get far enough with his "towncred" to fuck town over. but instead he plays a passive game (I will make plans about other people shooting, I will focus on the SK and not the mafia) meaning if he's mafia then he's not GF. Notice how he's ok with the idea that SK didn't shoot last night (which puts SK in a horrible position for day as he would HAVE to be the one shooting or he's modkilled) but he's not ok with the idea that mafia didn't shoot (I suggest this in a post to probe his reaction) because it "doesn't make sense". Both non-kills don't make sense but he immediately jumps on this idea of SK and then focuses on it solely (After N0 ended, the majority of his posts with "substance" is focused on the issue of finding the SK) and doesn't really pay much attention to finding mafia when my two main posts (gonzaw should shoot RIGHT NOW and mafia didn't shoot last night) are ignored even though I'm sure most people reading those two posts, had they been directed at them would have thought them weird and would have been more forceful in their replies back to me. | ||
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On June 13 2012 00:58 marvellosity wrote: But how can you distinguish between him being a blue who can't shoot and a regular goon? You cannot. The only way you can tell is by analysing him in the first place, and by doing that we come to the decision he's scum. So just shoot him. See what I'm saying? Given his posting, he's definitely not a blue since he keeps saying "I'll shoot if everyone wants me to, etc. etc.". He's basically pushing the issue off while trying to get town to focus on the SK (by talking about if RoL is it or WBG is it). If town bites on the SK bit and shoots one of them then day ends and he gets to leave another day, hopefully to disappear from the forefronts of our thoughts. If he was blue he's just ignore the issue of shooting because he can't shoot. He's definitely not a doctor since he starts asking about missed shots when, if he was, he would know about it (since RoL said he got shot). Given what you've written about him, do you think he's blue or mafia if he can't shoot? I mean, marv, you think he's mafia too, you can shoot him as well. Are you too scared to do it? Can't handle the responsibility? But if I had to be truthful and give my main reason for why I'm asking him to shoot me, it's because in this game, town gets to experience the rare pleasure of making and then watching that mafia squirm, which is a particular indulgence of mine that I don't get to experience much. | ||
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To the bold: I very much want to shoot him. I want this day to come to a conclusion by me shooting him. There's a tonne of ppl who haven't been around today yet though, so I don't want to jump the gun. Forgive the pun and still haven't pulled the trigger after his bullshit claim. | ||
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On June 13 2012 07:45 gonzaw wrote: Shut up chaoser. Why wouldn't you want rastaban or even payl/other lurker shooting me? marv can prove he's VT by shooting later, wouldn't you want someone more suspicious to prove he's VT first? Sitting here petting my kitten, waiting for your red blood to spill forth while you and yours struggle to and fro is a particular joy I'll be keeping in my memory for a while. ![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/2iawv1l.jpg) | ||
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On June 13 2012 07:37 marvellosity wrote: I think that needs an answer On June 13 2012 07:38 marvellosity wrote: if mods won't clarify here, they wouldn't have clarified to gonzaw. On June 13 2012 07:43 marvellosity wrote: i'm not shooting him right this minute. i want my mod question answered first. On June 13 2012 07:44 marvellosity wrote: there we go On June 13 2012 07:46 marvellosity wrote: I must have missed it somewhere, how do we know it's 1 gf 3 goons? On June 13 2012 07:55 marvellosity wrote: gosh this is horrible. going to have to reread fucking everything. All I'm seeing is excuses. I await your shot, you have 5 hours till 24 hours is up. | ||
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On June 13 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: So... I'll leave everyone else to catch the scum now. Sound good? Just pick yourself up and go at it again. It's not like one mistake means the end of the game. | ||
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