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On June 13 2012 07:23 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 07:20 rastaban wrote:On June 13 2012 07:15 Toadesstern wrote:
What about shooting payle instead of gonzaw?
If he's truely a DT I can live with him being alive and mafia can't because they don't want him to get more checks because the moment we see his flip we know wether or not we can trust him.
If he's mafia and survives n1 we shoot him tomorrow? I like this plan a lot, and with him being macho there isn't even WIFOM on if he is protected. I am guessing they won't hit him either way, but it gives us another check the moment he flips tomorrow. exactly. Noone protects him and he either dies or he doesn't, If he does we get another check that may or may not be bullshit but we kill him the next day and know wether or not we can trust his checks. What's the reasoning for knowing you can't be naive gonzaw?
I like this as well. Gonzaw's breadcrumb makes sense and as long as supersoft isn't like "lol I'm actually not green" I'm inclined to believe the claim for now or at the very least let him live through the night.
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On June 13 2012 07:26 marvellosity wrote:
Like at the end of N0, did any of you think scum might shoot supersoft?
I'm not going to argue that supersoft is a very odd target for a check if you're hoping that check dies. However his breadcrumb is fairly apparent and I'm not too keen about killing our DT with our first "lynch." Again, baring supersoft calling bullshit I think we should give gonzaw a chance.
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On June 13 2012 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
He can't fake a breadcrumb? Look at how much trouble he was in when he made it. Go back and read the thread (this isn't me being aggressive, just asking you to do so)
I did go ahead and reread his filter and yours as well for your posts against him. It's pretty convincing stuff and the way that gonzaw is attempting to shift focus onto rastaban away from the people we had previously lined up to kill him is also scummy. Given what I just read and gonzaw's last post I'm down with killing him.
I don't want rastaban to shoot though. I think we need to have payl or someone like that shoot since it seems like gonzaw really doesn't want them involved.
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On June 13 2012 07:46 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah I really don't want more good looking people to claim either way. EBWOP
This this this this this.
We already have several people lined up, let's not give scum more information by dragging more people into this.
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On June 13 2012 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 07:48 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 13 2012 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
He can't fake a breadcrumb? Look at how much trouble he was in when he made it. Go back and read the thread (this isn't me being aggressive, just asking you to do so) I did go ahead and reread his filter and yours as well for your posts against him. It's pretty convincing stuff and the way that gonzaw is attempting to shift focus onto rastaban away from the people we had previously lined up to kill him is also scummy. Given what I just read and gonzaw's last post I'm down with killing him. I don't want rastaban to shoot though. I think we need to have payl or someone like that shoot since it seems like gonzaw really doesn't want them involved. He really doesn't want Marv involved. He about cried when chaoser suggested it.
Wait are you suggesting bus?
I highly doubt scum would bus d1, besides I'm getting a town read on marv.
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On June 13 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:
Ok I really feel like someone should shoot gonzaw already. This is just horrible. He's trying to get more and more people claiming and everyones growing impatient because the people that are supposed to shoot him are all not here... and it's 1 am in germany... just mentioning
Toad what do you think about having someone who has already claimed to have a gun just to shoot gonzaw now? It would be really nice to get payl or zentor to shoot but the longer this goes on the more idiots are claiming.
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why do I get the feeling that people like zentor and payl are avoiding the thread to avoid being asked to shoot.
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Check it out, Kita AND zentor show up to tell us how dumb we are.
Would have been just snazzy if you gentleman had actually been around during the day.
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Тебе надо говорит по-английский
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On June 14 2012 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:lol MZ any thoughts you wanna share?
atm I'm at school getting ready for my last final so no lol.
I still wanna kill zentor and the rastaban case looks decent from what I can tell.
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On June 14 2012 11:17 MrZentor wrote:RoL talked about all the downsides of claiming millers, then claimed to be a miller. + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2012 09:50 marvellosity wrote:gonzaw, you've just made me read all the setup speculation on Millers. Damn thee. There is so much I do not like about the claim. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Alright, finished reading.
Any plan that involves millers and role checking is quite stupid. There are so many things that can interfere with proper results that it hinges on nothing. Anyone advocating some sort of role centric plan needs to shut up. It won't work, we don't even know if all the roles in the OP are the only roles in the game, but even from what we can tell it is still a crap shoot and it could only get worse.
I agree with what Chaoser said. If we think someone is scummy, we make them shoot who they think are scummy. If they can't shoot and can't explain themselves then we just kill them. Problem solved. On the off chance the DT figures out his sanity and claims to have found someone a Miller claim CANNOT absolve them. A DT will only get a red check back on non GF roles if his sanity is known. The non GF roles cannot shoot, so they would need to shoot to prove they are a Miller.
That claim can literally never work.
There is only one actual benefit of a Miller claiming in this set up. Hypothetically its day 5, we need to kill a mafia and the DT claims knowing his sanity and has a red check on someone. Assuming that person has NEVER shot during the day then he can now shoot to prove that he is not scum but a Miller. There is no way scum can emulate that play to the point where it would help a Miller to claim earlier on. The only thing that this helps is preventing a cop who knows there alignment to claiming publicly in that one very niche scenario.
In that scenario the N1 Miller claim would save the cop from going public. That is the only benefit. So does that single benefit justify having someone claim Miller? I can't see why someone would ever get shit for claiming Miller. The only mafia benefit to claiming Miller would be to avoid a RC but the only one who can do that is the GF who would get outed by a DT check and would prefer to get DT checked anyway.
The same thing applies to SK's.
Anyone faking Miller would eventually just get outed by some means and its not worth it. So I guess there is only that one benefit, but there is no real drawback besides people wasting time speculating on why someone claimed Miller.
But hey, since I outlined all the reasons above and there are no true drawbacks, might as well claim that I'm a Miller. Green text: Outlines in some depth how little benefit there is to Miller claiming in this setup. He calls the benefit a 'very niche' scenario. Red text: Having outlined why it's barely beneficial if at all to claim Miller, he leaps into categorically saying no-one should give miller claims any shit. Claims at the end he 'outlined all the reasons'. All the reasons? He clarified himself it would only help in a 'very niche scenario'. What gives? He then says mafia have no reason to fakeclaim miller. He's actively pushing this to discredit the notion. Blue text: Also see post below, but this looks like an attempt to halt any discussion of his miller claim. Because we're so busy on Night 0, right? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote:On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote:
Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already... yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho? It's not really a big deal. Half the reason I considered not claiming at all was just because I didn't think it was worth considering whether or not I was a Miller. I am sure if I continue being alive they will try to make me suspciious because of that. Or killing me, whatever. There is a chance that a medic could be on me because I claimed and they would be wasting their first hit. There is a number of things they have to take into account. Ultimately, I'm not really worried and whether I die or not its not that big of a deal. Again with the blue text, pushing the idea that talking about his claim is a bad thing. To the bold and underlined: twice he says his claim is not a big deal. More language in the middle with 'or killing me, whatever'. Basically totally flippant and acting unconcerned about it. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 06:06 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 12 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote:On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote:On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote:
Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already... yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho? about 0. I actually thought there's no way that's really a claim because that would be stupid. Maybe it's a trick to survive d0? :p Let's start the wifom machine lol. And here comes that suspicion thing I was talking about. It's the only downside I perceived of claiming regardless of timing. Idiots will always over-analyze shit for no reason. However that wasn't something I could articulate without just saying people are dumb and we can't work around them being suspicious of a miller claim regardless of how illogical it is for any non-town person to do it. Look at the change in tone! From his original claim with his "hey, I guess I'll claim miller" casual attitude and subsequent post with the 'whatevers' and 'it's not a big deal' he fucking jumps down Toad's throat. Now he's again pushing the idea that even talking about his claim is a bad thing. He admits here that he forsaw people being suspicious of the claim. Yet in his original post, the only 'benefit' he saw was with a very niche day 5 cop scenario. RoL said elsewhere in his filter that we should be working off behavioural analysis. I agree. I'm not questioning the claim because he claimed Miller, I'm questioning how he's gone about it. Scum. He claimed to have his gun taken away, which is really suspicious as it sets him up to look exactly like a mafia goon (appears red and can't shoot), and it seems improbable that either mafia or sk would have this power. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 13:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well I was shot last night but survived. I also had my gun taken away which is quite interesting. These things coupled with the fact that he hasn't been around for the entire night makes me doubt his claim.
Would anybody else care to comment?
So zentor you've been lurking for days and when you come back this is what you decide to comment on?
ALSO NO MORE FINALS!!!
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To clarify that last post, nicely done commenting on something that has been discussed to death. What about rastaban?
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On June 14 2012 12:14 MrZentor wrote:
I haven't been lurking for days. -.-
If you want to find somebody who has been lurking for days, look at Kenpachi.
Do you have anything original to add?
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I'm off to play some celebratory LoL, I'll check the thread when I'm done.
I'm really liking the idea of having rastaban shoot zentor, thoughts?
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whoop fuckity doo I got RB'd last night.
Anyway, I'm very happy to see payl posting, what does everyone think about having him take the shot on zentor? I like dirkzor's post on zentor a lot.
I'm also still open to having rastaban shoot, either he or payl would be good people to shoot today.
And kenpachi, I could oblige you if I felt that you were the right person but today we're going after scum (you may still be but I have a much stronger read on zentor & Co.).
I need some quality posts out of kita and WBG soon, they can't keep skating along like this.
Sleeping now.
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On June 14 2012 21:02 marvellosity wrote:
payl is guilty as shit.
he turns up during the shoot-gonzaw fiasco only to call RoL a liar because payl couldn't read the thread.
He also completely ignores what's going on in the thread at the time despite posting several times.
Now the typical 'easy' case against Zentor. I could make a case against Zentor with my eyes closed and my hands tied behind my back.
I agree that zentor may be an "easy case" but why does that make him a bad lynch?
As I've stated before, I think payl needs to die as well, I just don't want to see people making excuses like this about zentor.
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On June 15 2012 03:52 MrZentor wrote:
MZ, look at my past games.
Apparently I always look scummy regardless of alignment. -.-
I absolutely hate when people say shit like this.
Playing the "I always look scummy" card is the same as the "noob" card in my mind.
And marv, would you be happy if we had payl shoot zentor or vice versa?
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On June 15 2012 04:53 MrZentor wrote:
MZ, let's play a game.
Find a game where I was town and wasn't lynched by town besides GoT mafia.
That's literally exactly what I'm referring to in my last post. Rather than say "lol I always get lynched" why don't you prove your townieness by being useful. You'll notice that the people who are active and contributing are not up for lynch today. If you were town you could at least try to play instead of saying "I'm bad."
ffs this is almost claiming scum -_-
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On June 15 2012 04:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 04:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 15 2012 03:52 MrZentor wrote:
MZ, look at my past games.
Apparently I always look scummy regardless of alignment. -.- I absolutely hate when people say shit like this. Playing the "I always look scummy" card is the same as the "noob" card in my mind. And marv, would you be happy if we had payl shoot zentor or vice versa? Zentor shoot payl ideally. The fact that payl appeared during the height of the gonzaw 'frenzy', posted irrelevantly 3 times and disappeared, is shocking.
Alright I can live with this arrangement.
When do we want zentor to shoot? I'm thinking four hours would be a good time.
Also Kita need to get his ass in here.
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On June 15 2012 05:08 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2012 04:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 15 2012 04:53 MrZentor wrote:
MZ, let's play a game.
Find a game where I was town and wasn't lynched by town besides GoT mafia. That's literally exactly what I'm referring to in my last post. Rather than say "lol I always get lynched" why don't you prove your townieness by being useful. You'll notice that the people who are active and contributing are not up for lynch today. If you were town you could at least try to play instead of saying "I'm bad." ffs this is almost claiming scum -_- I showed why all the cases against me were ridiculous. -.- I would like Cephiro to shoot Payl or vice versa. I'm going to a going away party for a good friend of mine moving to another state, so this is probably going to be my last post of today.
lol you're not dodging this.
Shoot payl now.
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