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On June 12 2012 13:00 gonzaw wrote:
I personally don't find people's opinion on certain plans (or policy lynches, etc) alignment telling at all. So no matter how much someone talks and talks about plans, I can't analyze their alignment based on their behaviour, if everybody else is discussing plans as well.
I partly understand what you mean, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I would not totally rule it out.
On June 12 2012 13:00 gonzaw wrote:
Because I had the feeling I would. I've been shot N1 in 2 out of 3 games I've been town...and in like 90% of the games I've been town in UG mafia.
Knowing that and knowing that there wasn't going to be any meaningful discussion going on (that wasn't related to the setup) it just disheartens you a little bit and doesn't put you in the right mood.
Even if you felt like you had tough luck surviving, you should never start a game with "I've given up"-attitude, and maybe pick up your play if happened to survive.
On June 12 2012 13:00 gonzaw wrote:
What do you think of marv's aggressiveness towards RoL and me Cephiro?
I like that he's taking a stance and trying to get things started. I do not agree with all of his points, but he has a few valid ones that I somewhat agree with. It is not enough to convince me yet, but I would like to see other players come forward more like him. Why wait till D1 if you can start N0? One thing I would keep an eye on is if he starts accusing multiple people with very little reasoning. (Which he has not yet, in my opinion.)
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gonzaw, if you want to dispell the suspicions on you, I'd suggest you just shoot
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Either our Medic is not sane, he doesn't exist or he wasn't doing his job as intended (saving claimed VTs).
Of course, if someone took a hit claim, until someone does I'll assume all KP is accounted for.
It seems weird there was only 1 night kill, because of this:
Serial Killer - Lone wolf. You must survive until the end of the game and eliminate both Town,Mafia and any other factions. At night you are bulletproof and can't be shot. You also show up as Innocent to role checks. You can kill at Night OR Kill during the day. You must kill at Night or the following Day or else I will mod kill you.
Check the bolded.
If there is a SK this game, and he didn't shoot last night, he HAS to shoot today.
If we go forward with the "RoL the claimed Miller should shoot" plan (and RoL isn't SK of course), then the SK will be forced to shoot himself and out himself. He can just shoot soon though and pass it off as a mistake and try to hide it though.
Again the other possibility is that he did indeed shoot last night but was RBed, or his hit was saved by a Medic/Vet.
Or again there's the possibility he doesn't exist
I doubt that though, 4 scum in a 20 player game with only 1 KP seems too little for a game like this. It's likely there is a SK, just like in the previous Bang Bang Mafia game.
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On June 12 2012 13:18 chaoser wrote:
or mafia didn't shoot
Why wouldn't they?
They have to kill either 12 townies or 11 townies and 1 SK to win, I'm sure they'll take any chance to kill townies they get.
On June 12 2012 13:15 chaoser wrote:
gonzaw, if you want to dispell the suspicions on you, I'd suggest you just shoot
No I won't, not until 24 or more hours have passed at least
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Derp days last 24 hours (thought they lasted 48).
Anyways people, be sure to chime in and post your thoughts on RoL and marv's "case" against me please.
Dirkzor I want your opinion the most.
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The post says that the days ends when the first person is killed.
Couldn't we just keep talking but not kill anybody for a few days?
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See Coag? If you get your mind to it you can play good as town so much that you get shot in N0 (I still can't fathom what you did in that game)
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This is a Dirty South set-up also known as a day killing game. The way this works is that almost everyone can kill another player in the game by typing ##kill(##Kill): player in the thread. If possible I will kill that player and the game moves on to night phase. There are No Lynches in this format so there is no voting.
Day ends when someone kills. If SK didn't kill at night, he is forced to shoot in the morning or else he is modkilled. His shot will also end the day. So, as you can see, SK WANTS to shoot at night unless he knows he will be forced by town to shoot the next morning.
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On June 12 2012 13:21 gonzaw wrote:
Derp days last 24 hours (thought they lasted 48).
Anyways people, be sure to chime in and post your thoughts on RoL and marv's "case" against me please.
Dirkzor I want your opinion the most.
There is a vote for 48 hours, I don't know if it has past yet but all townies should have voted to extend it.
Did the Extension pass?
Regardless thanks for not shooting now, if it is a 24 hour day then we should wait a minimum of 18 hours if possible to give everyone time to discus the target (and shooter) I am headed to bed now so please, please, everyone don't let it be night time when I get back tomorrow morning! There are still a lot of people that need to start posting, it was night phase so they are given some leniency for that but now is the time to start disusing, also any other Millers should claim now if you were waiting for day.
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On June 12 2012 13:21 MrZentor wrote:
The post says that the days ends when the first person is killed.
Couldn't we just keep talking but not kill anybody for a few days?
Pretty sure
1) We'll run out of things to say or just go in circles
2) Ace will probably put a limit on like 48 hours and then we just "no shot" and move straight to night
3) Someone will probably get trigger happy and shoot anyway.
I want gonzaw to shoot. We already had 24 hours of discussion since night 0 happened, we've got our suspicions. Let's go gonzaw, chop chop.
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yo noobs I got roleblocked last night.
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Oh I forgot to add it in the post I'll change it, but days are 24 hours
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In all honesty, I was pretty much assuming there would be 2 nightkills as well, since I found the possibility of an SK being in-game very likely, and I'm having a hard time understanding if there is an SK, why would they leave the kill for the daytime, as a trigger-happy townie could just take a shot before him and thus modkill him?
I think I might've misunderstood something in the way a possible SK works, but there's always a possibility there is no SK, or that there is an SK but with different restrictions than in the example role given in the OP.
I don't see why mafia would not shoot on N0, as there is necessarily no tracker/watcher, and the chances of getting caught on N0 aren't that high, so I suspect that the kill was the mafia KP. They need every kill they can get.
Enough assuming and more playing I suppose.
So chaoser, you really seem to want gonzaw to shoot, which I understand, but I don't like the idea of him doing it right away, as we haven't really even have a chance to discuss with the majority of the players. (Unless you want him to shoot right away as a proof of his possible towny-ness, or at least gun ownership, while effectively modkilling the SK if we've understood right how the role works?). Especially as the "miller-takes-the-shot-plan" seemed to gain some attention last phase.
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On June 12 2012 13:16 gonzaw wrote:Either our Medic is not sane, he doesn't exist or he wasn't doing his job as intended (saving claimed VTs).
Of course, if someone took a hit claim, until someone does I'll assume all KP is accounted for.
It seems weird there was only 1 night kill, because of this:
Serial Killer - Lone wolf. You must survive until the end of the game and eliminate both Town,Mafia and any other factions. At night you are bulletproof and can't be shot. You also show up as Innocent to role checks. You can kill at Night OR Kill during the day. You must kill at Night or the following Day or else I will mod kill you.
Check the bolded.
If there is a SK this game, and he didn't shoot last night, he HAS to shoot today.If we go forward with the "RoL the claimed Miller should shoot" plan (and RoL isn't SK of course), then the SK will be forced to shoot himself and out himself. He can just shoot soon though and pass it off as a mistake and try to hide it though. Again the other possibility is that he did indeed shoot last night but was RBed, or his hit was saved by a Medic/Vet. Or again there's the possibility he doesn't exist I doubt that though, 4 scum in a 20 player game with only 1 KP seems too little for a game like this. It's likely there is a SK, just like in the previous Bang Bang Mafia game.
please kill this guy, the bolded is scummy as hell
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On June 12 2012 13:24 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +This is a Dirty South set-up also known as a day killing game. The way this works is that almost everyone can kill another player in the game by typing ##kill(##Kill): player in the thread. If possible I will kill that player and the game moves on to night phase. There are No Lynches in this format so there is no voting. Day ends when someone kills. If SK didn't kill at night, he is forced to shoot in the morning or else he is modkilled. His shot will also end the day. So, as you can see, SK WANTS to shoot at night unless he knows he will be forced by town to shoot the next morning.
Yes, what you say makes sense.
But mafia not shooting on N0 doesn't make much sense either.
It must mean there is an absorbed KP out there, or RoL is SK (knew he could convince us to let him shoot today, which is why he wouldn't shoot at night).
Hmm, I doubt RoL would risk it that much as SK though, so I'll wait to see if someone claims they were shot.
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FreelanceSatan was Coagulation. Factor that in.
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(Unless you want him to shoot right away as a proof of his possible towny-ness, or at least gun ownership, while effectively modkilling the SK if we've understood right how the role works?)
Bingo. I think he's scummy and also unlikely to be SK and so why not kill two birds with one stone.
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