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On June 12 2012 13:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well I was shot last night but survived. I also had my gun taken away which is quite interesting.
How the hell can that happen? Did Ace tell you how it did?
Well...RoL being SK, not shooting last night so he can shoot today, but claiming he got his gun taken away so he can't actually shoot and he'll get modkilled is implausible.
If scum have a "Gun stealer", then this is pretty shitty. Unless they can steal the guns of players that haven't used their shot yet, they can steal the gun from any VT that shoots each day.
(Pre-Edit: It would make sense as an SK ability though)
RoL, do you agree with me dying today or not?
On June 12 2012 14:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 13:51 gonzaw wrote:On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person.
If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow. Now that I look at it, here's our 1st candidate for SK that didn't shoot last night. A wbg SK makes sense to me. He seems to just be trolling (posting pointless videos, one-liners, etc) and barely trying, and just wants to attack me at all costs without even stating reasoning behind it. Are you SK wbg? If I was going to be today's kill, would you agree to let someone else take the shot? so because I'm suspicious of you, there was only one shot last night, and I volunteered to shot your red ass, your first thought is for me to be SK? Pretty convoluted shit, it's nice to know only townies are capable of understanding Occam's Razor.
No, because you are trolling, FoSing me out of nowhere without reasoning, and yes volunteering to shoot my ass.
If RoL is telling the truth it can't happen though, so let's just forget about it.
So, I think they did this in Bang Bang Mafia 1 and it might work:
What if all of us claim if we have a gun to shoot or not?
Like said before, most blue roles are not that strong (the good ones don't know their sanity); but the VT/Miller roles are the strongest since they control the "lynch", and are our only way to win this game (other than a random vigilante out there).
I think they did it like this:
1)Everybody claims if they have a gun or not
2)The people that claimed they have a gun, take turns each day to shoot the most scummy one from the pool of the guys that don't have a gun
Here we can use that "random thingy" site Palmar made for iGrok's game (if someone's good enough to copy the script and shit, maybe make it public):
Each day we make a list of all the people that claimed they have a gun, and randomize it. That way we randomly choose who to shoot from that list.
That way mafia can't try to fake-claim that they have a gun and manipulate their way to never shoot at all, because the process of choosing who to shoot is random so if it's their turn to shoot they can't get away with it (this will disencourage scum fake-claiming they have a gun).
This is the beauty from the plan:
Yes, all the VTs/Millers will be outed for SK/scum, and so will the blues....
...however the blues will be mostly intact and survive the whole game.
Why? Because in the pool of blues most of the scum (goon and RBers, etc) lurk. If they shoot blues at night, that pool is reduced so they have more chances of being shot at day.
Not only that, but because of what I said earlier they'll most likely shoot VTs (check that post I made).
So blues are free to make their actions at night (not all of them can be RBed, plus they shouldn't claim their roles either) to help us with what we can, while we systematically kill those scum in their group.
Once we kill all scum in the "blue" group (3 of them right?), we are set, leave the rest of those blues alone and take a look at the VT/Miller claims to get the GF and the SK.
Since only non-gunners will get shot at day, and only gunners will get shot at night by scum, the blues in the non-gunners group can use:
1)Their medic saves on the gunners
2)Their watcher/tracker/cop checks on the gunners
1)Because those are the only ones getting shot at night, so they have a greater chance to save them
2)Because once all the scum from the non-gunners are killed, we need to find the SK/GF. If blues check those players, then it's more likely they can find the SK/GF for us so we have it easier later.
That was the way it would work in the 1st game.
Now that I think about it the "SK or scum can steal guns at night" thing if RoL says the truth can change it a little bit
What do you guys think? Any way to improve it if it's worth it? Or is it unworthy?
No this isn't me trying to divert attention or anything, I still want a fucking explanation why I'm being considered the D1 lynch by everybody yet when I ask why everybody stays silent
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On June 12 2012 14:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Had your gun taken away? Is that real? Did you just say that?
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Yeah, interesting though. So the mafia have additional powers to take away a gun. Although this is interesting. If the mafia have the power to take away my gun why would they do that while trying to kill me? Someone tried to kill me and someone tried to take my gun. I can see why the SK would have that power, he is bulletproof at night but needs a way to survive day hits as well so that is definitely a possibility. I find it interesting that the SK would use that power on me since he needs as many people to die as fast as possible and taking my gun would just make me look a bit guilty. The only way that would make sense is if my first accusation was right and toad was the SK. That is essentially the purpose of that power. On the same note that would make the SK really powerful, but the set up makes him really weak to day shooting. I would say that would make up for the SK's shortcomings in the current set up so it is probably the most likely. On the otherhand the mafia has 4 members and I'm sure that could be a power that is functionally a day RB.
You claimed Miller. People wanted millers to shoot first to prove they're a miller. If they take your gun away, it makes you look like scum because you can't shoot. Or, you're faking someone taking your gun away because you're scum who fake-claimed Miller. The hit could be a fake, or maybe a medic protected you and SK shot you. There's lots of possibilities here. I'm not taking your claim at face-value. Would you mind typing shoot into the thread so that we know you actually don't have a weapon? That at least tells us you aren't a lying town or scum that can shoot.
Also VE, you never responded at all to my FOS. Not in the mood? 
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On June 12 2012 14:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 14:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 12 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Had your gun taken away? Is that real? Did you just say that?
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Yeah, interesting though. So the mafia have additional powers to take away a gun. Although this is interesting. If the mafia have the power to take away my gun why would they do that while trying to kill me? Someone tried to kill me and someone tried to take my gun. I can see why the SK would have that power, he is bulletproof at night but needs a way to survive day hits as well so that is definitely a possibility. I find it interesting that the SK would use that power on me since he needs as many people to die as fast as possible and taking my gun would just make me look a bit guilty. The only way that would make sense is if my first accusation was right and toad was the SK. That is essentially the purpose of that power. On the same note that would make the SK really powerful, but the set up makes him really weak to day shooting. I would say that would make up for the SK's shortcomings in the current set up so it is probably the most likely. On the otherhand the mafia has 4 members and I'm sure that could be a power that is functionally a day RB. You claimed Miller. People wanted millers to shoot first to prove they're a miller. If they take your gun away, it makes you look like scum because you can't shoot. Or, you're faking someone taking your gun away because you're scum who fake-claimed Miller. The hit could be a fake, or maybe a medic protected you and SK shot you. There's lots of possibilities here. I'm not taking your claim at face-value. Would you mind typing shoot into the thread so that we know you actually don't have a weapon? That at least tells us you aren't a lying town or scum that can shoot. Also VE, you never responded at all to my FOS. Not in the mood?
I second this.
Of course choose to shoot yourself (if you are lying scum/SK, at least you'll shoot yourself)
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On June 12 2012 13:53 gonzaw wrote:
If the SK were to shoot at night, but he's RBed, does his kill go through?
SK kills can't be roleblocked, bulletproof can be
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Right.
Also, I thought this would be the "perfect" game to enforce those "Lynch All Lurkers" policy lynches you guys have been talking about.
Yet nobody even mentioned it at all this game 
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On June 12 2012 13:21 MrZentor wrote:
The post says that the days ends when the first person is killed.
Couldn't we just keep talking but not kill anybody for a few days?
You.
What do you think about the things being discussed until now? I don't like how you made that post when the day started but ignored everything that went on on n0 before it ended
If I am to be shot I'd like it to be from MrZentor (at least for now)
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On June 12 2012 14:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 14:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 12 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Had your gun taken away? Is that real? Did you just say that?
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Yeah, interesting though. So the mafia have additional powers to take away a gun. Although this is interesting. If the mafia have the power to take away my gun why would they do that while trying to kill me? Someone tried to kill me and someone tried to take my gun. I can see why the SK would have that power, he is bulletproof at night but needs a way to survive day hits as well so that is definitely a possibility. I find it interesting that the SK would use that power on me since he needs as many people to die as fast as possible and taking my gun would just make me look a bit guilty. The only way that would make sense is if my first accusation was right and toad was the SK. That is essentially the purpose of that power. On the same note that would make the SK really powerful, but the set up makes him really weak to day shooting. I would say that would make up for the SK's shortcomings in the current set up so it is probably the most likely. On the otherhand the mafia has 4 members and I'm sure that could be a power that is functionally a day RB. You claimed Miller. People wanted millers to shoot first to prove they're a miller. If they take your gun away, it makes you look like scum because you can't shoot. Or, you're faking someone taking your gun away because you're scum who fake-claimed Miller. The hit could be a fake, or maybe a medic protected you and SK shot you. There's lots of possibilities here. I'm not taking your claim at face-value. Would you mind typing shoot into the thread so that we know you actually don't have a weapon? That at least tells us you aren't a lying town or scum that can shoot. Also VE, you never responded at all to my FOS. Not in the mood?
Sorry Wiggles, but this is interesting stuff.
You are suspicious of me because....you think it's better for town to choose the shot targets, yes? Can I assume that you've noticed that I'm now voicing my consent to target gonzaw today and that's why you're even talking to me rather than just writing me off as scum? Honestly I'd forgotten that you even said anything because my thinking has radically shifted in that regard. When I said that, I wasn't realizing that the people taking shots are more than likely town anyway statistically, so it makes sense for town to aim them. Sorry man, it takes a second for me to wrap my head around mechanics
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Will you keep ignoring me VE?
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Hi VE!
Why do you want me killed again?
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Your interactions with marv were scummy. He was asking what I thought were reasonable (if a little sarcastic) questions, and you respond by accusing him of being "in your face" and aggressive. I mean...I don't know, it seemed like you wanted to make him out to be suspicious for being suspicious of you....which is suspicious.
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On June 12 2012 15:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your interactions with marv were scummy. He was asking what I thought were reasonable (if a little sarcastic) questions, and you respond by accusing him of being "in your face" and aggressive. I mean...I don't know, it seemed like you wanted to make him out to be suspicious for being suspicious of you....which is suspicious.
which is pretty interesting given that this is exactly how he reacted to me suspecting him.
It's also how he acted in Liar Game with Cephiro.
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He tried to act like a smartass doing the whole "Oh geez if you think no mafia would fake-claim miller... then you make quite an effort in posting your thoughts about the Miller wouldn't you think?" thing and he was indeed being needlessly aggressive, even before in the game.
He doesn't play like that (I don't think he plays like that as scum either, although I only skimmed through Magic (was it?) where he was), and I found it odd. Perhaps he's trying to emulate Blazinghand or something...
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On June 12 2012 15:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 15:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your interactions with marv were scummy. He was asking what I thought were reasonable (if a little sarcastic) questions, and you respond by accusing him of being "in your face" and aggressive. I mean...I don't know, it seemed like you wanted to make him out to be suspicious for being suspicious of you....which is suspicious. which is pretty interesting given that this is exactly how he reacted to me suspecting him. It's also how he acted in Liar Game with Cephiro.
He also spent a fair amount of time making plans for town didn't he? What did he flip in Liar Game?
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On June 12 2012 15:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 15:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your interactions with marv were scummy. He was asking what I thought were reasonable (if a little sarcastic) questions, and you respond by accusing him of being "in your face" and aggressive. I mean...I don't know, it seemed like you wanted to make him out to be suspicious for being suspicious of you....which is suspicious. which is pretty interesting given that this is exactly how he reacted to me suspecting him. It's also how he acted in Liar Game with Cephiro.
Now you don't go and lie for your own convenience there
I FoSed Cephiro first in that game and then he flipped his shit afterwards..
....if you are somehow comparing your game here to Cephiro's game in Liar Game then I don't think you are making yourself look any good.
I think you are suspicious because you seem to troll (at first); and then just accuse someone, but without the intent to produce any meaningful discussion about it or drive town forward.
It's just the typical "Self
I don't know if you would act like this as scum, which is why I suspected you of being SK.
You are just acting like those self-centered vets that try to do the bare minimum in a game and act all mighty and shit.
So get the fuck down to earth and act normal.
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Oh my god.....this is happening just like in UG.
I knew this would happen....but I didn't think it would happen so soon.
Damn, I guess I need to smurf from now on
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On June 12 2012 15:20 gonzaw wrote:
He tried to act like a smartass doing the whole "Oh geez if you think no mafia would fake-claim miller... then you make quite an effort in posting your thoughts about the Miller wouldn't you think?" thing and he was indeed being needlessly aggressive, even before in the game.
He doesn't play like that (I don't think he plays like that as scum either, although I only skimmed through Magic (was it?) where he was), and I found it odd. Perhaps he's trying to emulate Blazinghand or something...
I've pretty much learned to not say that about Marv. I don't care how cuddly he appears, he'll bite.
What you said was pretty silly gonzaw. "I've never seen it, not gonna happen". That's such a limited way of looking at things, and you don't strike me as a guy who takes the short-view of things. Look at your plans, you think of everything.
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Well believe it or not I do (at least respecting Millers).
[again, that's not the sole reason I believed scum wouldn't fake-claim, read my posts]
I thought my stance on this sort of things was pretty apparent from my behaviour in past Obs QTs (specially regarding previous claims from you ), but well.
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I'm wondering what's likely here:
RoL is SK who fake-claimed Miller to avoid DT checks and claimed to have his gun taken so he can't make good on his promise to shoot Toad...
...or...
RoL is Miller who actually had his gun taken away.
Anyone wanna wildly speculate with me? RoL I'm guessing you're still firmly in the "Miller" camp...
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Or RoL is scum...but GOD he's got balls if he's scum doing all this.
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