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Meapak_Ziphh
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On June 12 2012 15:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm wondering what's likely here: RoL is SK who fake-claimed Miller to avoid DT checks and claimed to have his gun taken so he can't make good on his promise to shoot Toad... ...or... RoL is Miller who actually had his gun taken away. Anyone wanna wildly speculate with me? RoL I'm guessing you're still firmly in the "Miller" camp... Wait help me follow the logic here, if RoL is SK then he has to shoot, so he fakes having his gun stolen and shoots FreelanceSatan. Scum take a shot at him and he gets saved? It does seem possible, and I wouldn't put it past RoL to pull something ballsy like that. I'm very leery of the "my gun is stolen claim." Whatever happened, it's certain he doesn't have a gun now but that doesn't preclude him being sk and faking in a ballsy manner. I'd like for someone to summarize the major points on gonzaw, using quotes if that's possible. From what I saw, bugs wanted to kill him and several people pilled on. Also this post is actually kinda bad and I'm surprised I'm the only one with a problem with it. On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote: The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle. If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two. If you shoot within the first 24 hours of a cycle, you will be shot the following cycle If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return. I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping. It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will. Kita do you realize that the people shooting will most likely be townies? You're advocating for the death of lots of greens on the chance that you catch the gf or sk. I agree we need accountability but shooting people who step out of line like that isn't going to work. I made a post before this about holding ourselves accountable with I'll just repost here now: On June 12 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Can we agree right now to not go rogue and shoot without discussion? There needs to be some deliberation behind peoples shots. If everyone just goes rambo then we'll never actually get a chance to scumhunt. Discussion is the key. Perhaps that sounds a bit kumbaya, but you have to realize that if you shoot people just because they made an unauthorized shot you're probably going to hit a disgruntled townie. I'd also be interested in seeing you post more kita. | ||
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marvellosity
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On June 12 2012 15:20 gonzaw wrote: He tried to act like a smartass doing the whole "Oh geez if you think no mafia would fake-claim miller... then you make quite an effort in posting your thoughts about the Miller wouldn't you think?" thing and he was indeed being needlessly aggressive, even before in the game. Discrediting arguments with bad logic. It's not being smartass. I consider it extremely odd to make a 3-page long post outlining 20 different scenarios with tonnes of formatting which must have taken you close to an hour, when it's a scenario you never believe has occurred, will occur, or will ever occur. How is that NOT odd? Let's kill gonzaw. | ||
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marvellosity
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On June 12 2012 15:27 gonzaw wrote: You are just acting like those self-centered vets that try to do the bare minimum in a game and act all mighty and shit. So get the fuck down to earth and act normal. The veneer starts to fall. Sheth had a meta read on gonzaw as scum in Liar because of gonzaw's aggressiveness. gonzaw tries to avoid it this game, but as people start to suspect him his facade crumbles. | ||
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Dirkzor
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About RoL, who seemed to have had a busy night. Here is what he claims to have bee through: Being shot Being medic protected Getting his gun stolen And all this after a Miller claim n0. If this is all true we can conclude the following: We have a SK (since the smurf died). We have a Doctor who is atleast not with a naive sanity. Someone have a gun stealing ability (Most likely scum or the SK. A town ability like that seems weak and odd seeing they would only benefit stealing from the GF/SK) However, I'm trying to wrap my head around the reasons for RoL to lie about any of this. If he is the Miller he have no reason to lie. If he is scum he have all the reasons in the world to lie. He convince town that an SK is out there (even if there is not). Someone already mentioned the threat of the SK to town seeing as scum don't have alot of means to kill the SK. So a play like that from scum would move some focus from the scum team to the SK. The medic part is irrelevant as no medic would claim now anyway so we have no way to know is there is a medic. Having his gun stolen could be a way for him to now shoot today. Discussion during n0 was "let the Miller shoot" so if he couldn't shoot he had to come up with a way for him to be unable to shoot. (this last reason might also be why the scum team stole just his gun as mentioned earlier by others) For him to be the SK makes less sense. If he hadn't claimed a hit no one would think there was a SK making his job easier (well scum team would know I guess but they can't really do much without outing their GF). He still wouldn't be able to shoot during the day since he maybe shoot the smurf. All in all it comes down to if you believe his miller claim or not... I'm not convinced but at the same time it seems like a huge risk for a scum player to lie about that much.. What do you guys think? I feel like RoL have to die at some point even though he is a miller. There will always be suspicion regarding this whole n0/d1 thing. About gonzaw. He seems to spend most of n0 talking about how the game should play out. Mostly the Miller part. But then when a miller actually claim its not anything he want to focus on "I don't find him suspicious mostly because of the claim itself (I've never seen scum fake-claim Miller in my whole life, and I doubt I will)." He also continually states that he have no post to analize even though the game had been underway for 18 hours with 6-8 pages which I find scummy. Like he wants some leeway about analizing others. He also continue to talk about plans going in to d1 instead of spending time starting some analysis? On June 12 2012 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also this post is actually kinda bad and I'm surprised I'm the only one with a problem with it. Kita do you realize that the people shooting will most likely be townies? You're advocating for the death of lots of greens on the chance that you catch the gf or sk. I agree we need accountability but shooting people who step out of line like that isn't going to work. I made a post before this about holding ourselves accountable with I'll just repost here now: Discussion is the key. Perhaps that sounds a bit kumbaya, but you have to realize that if you shoot people just because they made an unauthorized shot you're probably going to hit a disgruntled townie. I'd also be interested in seeing you post more kita. I agree with you here MZ. Kita wants to punish players who have the biggest possibility of being townies. Other then that the post is very generic advice in his first post which is always a bitch to get done as scum. He basicly said nothing that all with that post that people shouldn't have realized on their own. | ||
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marvellosity
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gonzaw's response to pressure is to attack the person and not the argument. | ||
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kitaman27
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On June 12 2012 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also this post is actually kinda bad and I'm surprised I'm the only one with a problem with it. Kita do you realize that the people shooting will most likely be townies? You're advocating for the death of lots of greens on the chance that you catch the gf or sk. I agree we need accountability but shooting people who step out of line like that isn't going to work. I made a post before this about holding ourselves accountable with I'll just repost here now: I'd also be interested in seeing you post more kita. I'm not advocating for the death of lots of greens. I'm advocating the death of players who sabatoge the game. I'm surprised you don't see the advantages of enforcing a policy where a player just can't shoot whoever they want. Town really dropped the ball on not voting for 48 hour days, though we might be able to mass claim if we voted for 48 hours and use it as a poor mans list check. Unfortunately, I'll be out for the next 12 hours. No shooting until then! | ||
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Toadesstern
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On June 12 2012 15:20 gonzaw wrote: He tried to act like a smartass doing the whole "Oh geez if you think no mafia would fake-claim miller... then you make quite an effort in posting your thoughts about the Miller wouldn't you think?" thing and he was indeed being needlessly aggressive, even before in the game. He doesn't play like that (I don't think he plays like that as scum either, although I only skimmed through Magic (was it?) where he was), and I found it odd. Perhaps he's trying to emulate Blazinghand or something... That could be one thing. Or another reasonable thing would be: He thinks he found mafia and I agree on the most stuff that was mentioned about you and RoL. Apparently people like VE and WBG think the same way, Coag thought the same way and he's dead  Still catching up though. | ||
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marvellosity
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On June 12 2012 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also this post is actually kinda bad and I'm surprised I'm the only one with a problem with it. Kita do you realize that the people shooting will most likely be townies? You're advocating for the death of lots of greens on the chance that you catch the gf or sk. I agree we need accountability but shooting people who step out of line like that isn't going to work. I made a post before this about holding ourselves accountable with I'll just repost here now: Discussion is the key. Perhaps that sounds a bit kumbaya, but you have to realize that if you shoot people just because they made an unauthorized shot you're probably going to hit a disgruntled townie. I'd also be interested in seeing you post more kita. Well the difference is, Meapak, that yours was a tad wishy washy. The sentiment behind kitaman's post is clear. If town signals its ABSOLUTE INTENT to punish with the highest form of punishment, then it discourages rogue shooters. I'm fairly sure kita recognises your 'concerns', but the point is it discourages an anti-town mode of doing things. If you explicitly say, 'well, except in this case, or the result is this' then you weaken the sentiment. No? | ||
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marvellosity
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On June 11 2012 14:52 payl wrote: Doctor - "You can be Sane, Insane, Paranoid or Weak." Btw, hi. why you post so much?! | ||
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marvellosity
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On June 12 2012 21:30 Toadesstern wrote: what's an insane, paranoid or weak doctor? Never played with those roles oO On June 11 2012 15:19 Ace wrote: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Doctor | ||
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Toadesstern
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thx. I think the page was down a couple of months ago so now I also know that I can look up stuff over there again :p | ||
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