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Toadesstern
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Unforgiven_ve
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Unforgiven_ve
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On June 05 2012 07:01 ShiaoPi wrote: its after dead line...and after all a no-lynch is just as bad i know "you can always be wrong" but when you have a "pretty sure" town to be lynched you should use the chance that extended mayority gives us. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Night 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Vv5Jk.jpg) *abridged fluff be here. I forgot about this and you want a daypost fast I assume* Two new men were brought to Sheriff Qatol: Vivax and Superouman. "Sheriff, we found two more of them guyses who want to kill us!" Qatol: "You're certain about it?" "Sure, as certain as we were yesterday and you saw his blood dropping to the ground, didn't you?" Qatol: "So be it, prepare a nice, big fire for we will have a barbeque tonight!" Vivax the Vanilla Townie was burned after being shot in the head Superouman the Vanilla Townie was burned alive (modkill) It is now Night. You have about 24 hours time to get your nightactions in! Deadline is 22:30 GMT (+00:00) as always | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Miltonkram
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GG Vivax. Sorry bro. | ||
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austinmcc
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On June 05 2012 07:15 Unforgiven_ve wrote: i really dont know how some of you cannot see, interpret and smell the Innocence from posts of some players What in particular made you sure of his innocence? | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
While this certainly does suck, mislynches happen in nearly every game, and we should all bear some responsibility. I regret not finding the time to post in his defense. I spent my time trying to convince you guys that heist is scummy rather than that vivax is townie, and that didn't work out so well. Anyway, we now stand at 6 townies vs 2 mafia. Today's events hurt, but honestly I think we still have a good chance to win, especially if we have blues. I was expecting both of these flips, so they don't really change my stance on anything. I'm just waiting to hear how they'll affect the opinions of people who voted for vivax. | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
Venezuela1232 Posts
Newbie townie, his actitude and his defense were good enoguh for me, the problem here is We are dealing whit a bunch of a sheeps who let mafia (read heist- xatalos) lead their way of thought, They are triying since the begginingg of the game to take town leadership whit lame posts and triying to look helpful, their starting strategy (I'm sure) Was to be in the spotlight and when the town chooses a innocent just let them go for it whitout commiting too much. Compare day1 and day2 around Lynch time. See their voting pattern. Heist is mafia, I'm 75% sure about xatalos | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
This might help Mafia in choosing their night kill, but I'm going to update my reads on the remaining players based on these two flips (Vivax and Superouman) and other developments. sciberbia Has shared his reads very openly throughout the game and acted accordingly without any inconsistencies in logic. If he were to be Mafia, I would be extremely shocked. Verdict: very likely town austinmcc Was the driving force for lynching suki (as Ange777) and seemed to care about the lynch target for today as well, even if it wasn't correct. I find it hard to believe he's Mafia either. Verdict: very likely town Miltonkram I've been too focused on his early posts to see the big picture: there's a potential townie logic behind his whole filter, even in early game, if you look closely enough. Sometimes it's bad logic, but it's always there. No post in his filter makes me think "this is driving Mafia agenda for certain". He seems to care about catching Mafia and isn't wishy-washy in his posts. I also liked this post: On June 05 2012 07:06 Miltonkram wrote: Can we wait on analysis until we have something to analyze please? Thank you. Some players started showing uncertainty about Vivax's alignment close to the deadline (after pushing him for a long time as very likely Mafia) or even called for a no-lynch instead of lynching him (lol), but Miltonkram didn't waver despite Vivax's strange posting. He didn't call for a no-lynch or plan an "escape route" for the inevitable flip. His whole filter and especially his play on Day 2 makes me think he's town. Verdict: pretty likely town Eishi_Ki Hasn't still committed to (or even pursued) much of anything, merely bandwagoning on Ange777 and then Vivax. Passive play that doesn't point to almost anything. Not a good lynch choice for Day 3, but something to keep an eye on. Verdict: neutral Unforgiven_ve A lot of things point to him being Mafia: - Trying to get a no-lynch for Day 2 (information denial / confusion) - Very certain that suki would flip Mafia (bussing?) - Certain that Vivax would flip town (buying credibility?) - Promoting the correctness of his own reads (trying to buy credibility by using the information available as Mafia?) Still, him being Mafia would mean that they decided to go for a double bus (or at least a bus) pretty early on, which doesn't seem too likely especially in a newbie game. That's why he's not a primary suspect for me. Verdict: neutral heist - Flip-flopping about suki's alignment - Weird assumption of Vivax bussing suki (although this isn't too conclusive as I conceded earlier) - s0Lstice's night kill would be most easily explained by heist being Mafia (although this is WIFOM) ShiaoPi Nothing that would really make me think he's town (except his recent activity), but plenty to make me think he's Mafia: - Vaguely defensive of suki (a confirmed Mafia) and also quite defensive of heist (another pretty likely Mafia at this point) - Comfortable with voting Vivax for the whole Day 2... Then suddenly he's a neutral read just before deadline?? What the heck? How does self-voting make him look townish? Looks more like he was already planning for an escape route from the flip's fallout than actually reading Vivax as neutral all of a sudden. - Suspecting Eishi_Ki with pretty flimsy reasoning (just suki saying he's town?) - Suspecting me for having too little content, although if he had bothered to look at my previous newbie game (as vanilla townie), I had much less content compared to "filler" in that game - I think I've done a MUCH better job this time around on avoiding spam/filler, but it's just my nature, I like to write even if there's not too much to say I'll be voting for heist or ShiaoPi on Day 3, unless something very drastic happens. - - - - On June 05 2012 11:41 Unforgiven_ve wrote: To austincc. His post shows a pretty standard townie play, his reasoning defending suki were valid for a Newbie townie, his actitude and his defense were good enoguh for me, the problem here is We are dealing whit a bunch of a sheeps who let mafia (read heist- xatalos) lead their way of thought, They are triying since the begginingg of the game to take town leadership whit lame posts and triying to look helpful, their starting strategy (I'm sure) Was to be in the spotlight and when the town chooses a innocent just let them go for it whitout commiting too much. Compare day1 and day2 around Lynch time. See their voting pattern. Heist is mafia, I'm 75% sure about xatalos You continue to promote your own correctness... How is that a townie thing to do? If you were so sure Vivax was town, why didn't you try to switch the lynch like sciberbia tried? And why did you suggest a no-lynch before the deadline? And why would me "looking helpful" or "leading town" be Mafia traits, seriously? I have a hard time deciding if you're just a suboptimal townie or Mafia (and overdoing the townie act pretty hard...). | ||
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ShiaoPi
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On June 05 2012 22:02 Xatalos wrote: --snipped-- ShiaoPi Nothing that would really make me think he's town (except his recent activity), but plenty to make me think he's Mafia: - Vaguely defensive of suki (a confirmed Mafia) and also quite defensive of heist (another pretty likely Mafia at this point) - Comfortable with voting Vivax for the whole Day 2... Then suddenly he's a neutral read just before deadline?? What the heck? How does self-voting make him look townish? Looks more like he was already planning for an escape route from the flip's fallout than actually reading Vivax as neutral all of a sudden. - Suspecting Eishi_Ki with pretty flimsy reasoning (just suki saying he's town?) - Suspecting me for having too little content, although if he had bothered to look at my previous newbie game (as vanilla townie), I had much less content compared to "filler" in that game - I think I've done a MUCH better job this time around on avoiding spam/filler, but it's just my nature, I like to write even if there's not too much to say I'll be voting for heist or ShiaoPi on Day 3, unless something very drastic happens. I'll just tag along your list: -Can you point me to the post where I defended suki? -I agree that you might have some suspicions on me for my behaviour just before the vote. I simply cannot fathom why he voted himself and refused to really regard the multiple cases against him. I see no motivation for scum to vote themselves, which was the reason for my posts where I stated my confusion. Regarding your opinion on an escape route. I could have easily unvoted if I really wanted to stay clear of the fallout, I did not since I said "a no-lynch is just as bad" and I still stand by it. Yes it sucked that we got one of our own, but a no-lynch would have been worse in regards of gathering information. We now have 2 confirmed (albeit dead) townies to look through. -In my case against Eishi I did state that it is a weak suspicion, I encouraged him to post more, but sadly he seems unable to due to RL constraints. I would say it is quite important with whom and how suki interacted as he is a confirmed scum so a soft-defense from a confirmed mafia player is in my opinion nothing to scoff at. Especially if that player has not had a big presence in this game until now. -Isn't that last argument kind of not an argument against me? I fail to see how it makes me scummy to suspect you (besides OMGUS) based on filler content. What is important is this game not a past game. On another note: On June 05 2012 22:02 Xatalos wrote: Back... Too bad I wasn't around to see the lynch unfold (early wake up for today), but in the end, I doubt I would have done anything differently. Vivax's behaviour at the end was certainly strange, but it wasn't enough of a reason to suddenly vote Heist so close to the deadline, risking a no-lynch. This might help Mafia in choosing their night kill, but I'm going to update my reads on the remaining players based on these two flips (Vivax and Superouman) and other developments. Why help mafia in choosing the night kill? I am not against night discussion (it might help our blues after all) but does that bolded part only strike me as weird? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On June 05 2012 22:46 ShiaoPi wrote: I'll just tag along your list: -Can you point me to the post where I defended suki? -I agree that you might have some suspicions on me for my behaviour just before the vote. I simply cannot fathom why he voted himself and refused to really regard the multiple cases against him. I see no motivation for scum to vote themselves, which was the reason for my posts where I stated my confusion. Regarding your opinion on an escape route. I could have easily unvoted if I really wanted to stay clear of the fallout, I did not since I said "a no-lynch is just as bad" and I still stand by it. Yes it sucked that we got one of our own, but a no-lynch would have been worse in regards of gathering information. We now have 2 confirmed (albeit dead) townies to look through. -In my case against Eishi I did state that it is a weak suspicion, I encouraged him to post more, but sadly he seems unable to due to RL constraints. I would say it is quite important with whom and how suki interacted as he is a confirmed scum so a soft-defense from a confirmed mafia player is in my opinion nothing to scoff at. Especially if that player has not had a big presence in this game until now. -Isn't that last argument kind of not an argument against me? I fail to see how it makes me scummy to suspect you (besides OMGUS) based on filler content. What is important is this game not a past game. On another note: Why help mafia in choosing the night kill? I am not against night discussion (it might help our blues after all) but does that bolded part only strike me as weird? You (well, more accurately o.Golden_ne) "kind of" defended suki here with deflection (even more suspicious than defending straight): On June 01 2012 14:20 O.Golden_ne wrote: @Sciberbia. I'm uncertain of suki at the moment. but i'm worried that a bandwagon is forming on him. we need to rationally consider a few options. i need to mull over suki's filter a while longer before condemning him. I feel that we may be more prosperous lynching some lurchers first, because as far as scumminess goes if suki is mafia (or anyone for that matter) chances are they'll keep digging themselves a hole if we can see it this early. I'm just so super wary of lurker now because of their potentially game changing absence. That's definitely the most suspicious interaction with suki so far in the game... How is self-voting uncharasteristic for Mafia? Maybe he could have hoped to trick someone into unvoting (as Unforgiven_ve suggested soon after) to cause a no-lynch or just to confuse the discussion. I don't see why you thought he was townish/neutral after such a stunt. Hmm. Okay, your suspicion of Eishi_Ki isn't that bad, although still with weak reasoning. Could be aiming for an easy prey (mislynch) as well. Yeah, maybe it was a slight OMGUS to suspect you for suspecting me. It's not bad to criticize for filler content, although if you look at my last game as town, I have way less filler content now, so it's not really a huge point. So I remove this point from the list, but you shouldn't still ignore it as you seem to do. I was just saying that last night I didn't want to share my town/Mafia reads before the night kill precisely to avoid aiding Mafia, but now I feel I have a bigger chance of being shot, so I didn't take risks and posted anyway before the deadline. | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
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ShiaoPi
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On June 05 2012 07:33 austinmcc wrote: What in particular made you sure of his innocence? On June 05 2012 11:41 Unforgiven_ve wrote: What in particular. What portions of what posts, specifically? To austincc. His post shows a pretty standard townie play, his reasoning defending suki were valid for a Newbie townie, his actitude and his defense were good enoguh for me, the problem here is We are dealing whit a bunch of a sheeps who let mafia (read heist- xatalos) lead their way of thought, They are triying since the begginingg of the game to take town leadership whit lame posts and triying to look helpful, their starting strategy (I'm sure) Was to be in the spotlight and when the town chooses a innocent just let them go for it whitout commiting too much. Compare day1 and day2 around Lynch time. See their voting pattern. Heist is mafia, I'm 75% sure about xatalos | ||
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