EPTHoly Roman does look like its ending though so my activity will be fine :D
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Holy Roman does look like its ending though so my activity will be fine :D | ||
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For example in LI Tunkeg decided to post a list about how "good" people were judging by the number of games they have played, and suggested a lynch on Jackal because he was supposedly the worst player in the game according to statistics. I am going to assume this is what he meant to with that that game was simply to draw out reactions, and it didnt work so well, simply due to the fact that that list managed to throw off the thread into a lovely discussion (for scum anyway) about how his way of judging supposed skill level was inaccurate and stuff, how he should change the formula blabla, and basically with a few attacks on his play here and there, he had a decent portion of town thinking he was scum. I will assume that one would easily see why he would think his stratergy isnt exactly the best when it causes him to nearly get mislynched day 1. Also being able to finger every single scum is great, sure, but would you trust his reads if he shits up the thread? That being said, how is trying out a new style scummy, might I ask? Sure, it could be scum saying that as a preemptive excuse for different meta, but it could easily be town trying to play better as well. I find it somewhat suspicious that you decided to nitpick on such a thing - considering it isnt all that rare for players to want to try out a new style of play once in a while. And yea Acrofales was pretty obviously joking around a little with the stats and some other stuff. | ||
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On May 21 2012 18:30 Zealos wrote: Ok, vote on VE was a joke, as also as a cheeky backup vote in case I forgot to vote later in the day :X I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion. Hey, care to elaborate on how his playstyle is similar? | ||
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Hi marv! Thoughts on the game so far? | ||
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I hate people who post with self-imposed restrictions. Of course this doesnt apply when people are actually able to remain clear - Foolishness in Aperture for instance. However, when it gets plain irritating and difficult to infer (maybe its bad reading comprehension but w/e) its a complete pain in the ass. What this obviously means is that I dont like Mattchew and want to lynch him. Yes its a policy lynch but I dont care. Nova's posting is horrible, I agree. So he votes VE because VE is supposedly a bitch to play with and because hes a vet. As pointed out, terribad logic. But of course its a first vote, and its day one, probable joke vote, so lets just let that slide. A little more of bad logic on the Tunkeg point - if you really believe people are going to follow you reads AFTER they mislynch you for being disruptive.... okay. And town doesnt neccessarily have to be "sure" unless you are a mafia god/hacker who never doubts his reads. The philospohy of "Guilty until proven innocent" is useful but that doesnt mean that you can lynch everyone day 1 because you feel they havent proved their innocence day 1 enough wtf. Since I dont feel like going through the rest of it ill stop here. I agree with VE that this lynch just seems so... easy? His actions are pretty disruptive though, and Im fine with killing him for the continious pushing of bad logic. Im fine with either of this two today | ||
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On May 22 2012 18:18 Nova_Terra wrote: Furthermore what about my logic is bad aside from the tunkeg thing, which, may i add, was very unclear as the time as the way he had made it seem was where he had really good scumhunting but everyone liked to lynch him because of the type of scumhunting. Eh it was pretty clear to me at least, but w/e. Quite a few things regarding the bad logic part, but some of those could be personal opinion. I also said the sentence about guilty until proven innocent because you attack wbg based on this: On May 22 2012 04:49 Nova_Terra wrote: I follow guilty until proven innocent WBG only posted general advice which shouldnt count for crap, defense of said general advice, and half omgus It *looks* like you are attacking WBG because he hasnt done much to prove that he is town as you say, but considering that quite a few people (including myself) havent exactly done much at that time, it looks like you are willing to lynch a large portion of town in the first part of D1 for not sufficently proving their innocence. Perhpas I misinterpreted. | ||
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Hey marv who are you suspicious of at this point besides mattchew? Can you also clearly state why you think nova is town based off meta alone? Because I cant see it being similar. | ||
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On May 22 2012 21:08 marvellosity wrote: How is it different from LIV? Quite a few posts but generally not a lot of content, no? For now I'm going to answer 'who I'm suspicious of' as 'who I'd like to be dead'. So other than Matt, Nova, Acid, and to a lesser extent Jeb. So you think nova is town yet you want to kill him? | ||
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Care to answer the same question (strongest scumread) as I asked HiroPro?[quote] My suspicions currently are rather weak. My strongest scumread if you would call it that would be zealos, who has been quick to jump on every wagon (VE, Marv, and now mouldy jeb). Whilst sheeping isnt neccessarily a scumtell, I dont like how jumpy his vote has been, going from person to person. I would want to lynch him, but I kind of need to go and sleep soon and introducing a new candidate at this point will probably result in a no-lynch which I would rather avoid. | ||
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Eh I just realised its pluarity lynch lol. I am considering if I should dump my vote on zealos and see if it gains any traction or onto one of the three leading candidates. Kind of a hard decision since I wouldnt mind all of them dying. Mattchew is still being a pain in the ass, though his posts are starting to get understandable, and he actually has more content than say, mouldy jeb. Probably not the best lynch today, think hes town. I still think nova is scummy. But mouldy more so. Agree with marv's case generally. ##vote: Mouldy Jeb Also I am going to sleep soon (school) so I probably cant change my vote (deadline sucks for me as usual -_-). | ||
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I will need to reread the thread too, and will probably present my thoughts tomorrow. | ||
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Reading now. | ||
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I agree with a zealos lynch, for various reasons. I highly doubt a town zealos would lynch a "bad town" read, and presenting suspects after the lynch whilst supposedly having no strong reads during the day before the lynch is highly suspect. ##vote: Zealos Another targert of intrest is Tunkeg. I already mentioned that I dont think that wanting to change one's meta is scummy, since players regardless of alignment might want to try out new styles of play. One point against him is that he didnt post that post before the game, but that is a minor factor to what I feel about his posting. He seems to emphasise that posting lists and reads gives "accountability", when in reality, it does nothing. How does knowing his reads, especially considering they are weak D1 reads which could easily be backpeddalled on, help town in anyway whatsoever? I have no idea what he means by accountability, considering townies can and will change their opinions overtime, and we do not need to know this. Notice how he also says that knowing his reads will help when someone is making a case on him. Wut? Why would a townie ever post something like that? Lets lynch Tunkeg tomorrow after we get rid of zealos. VE is also being VE as usual. | ||
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Katina, now that mattchew has decided to abandon his post restricition and has started posting normally what do you think of him? Still want to lynch him? | ||
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Whilst lurking can be a scumtell, I oftentimes dont lurk when I play scum. Sure I am not one of those spammers who decide to spam up the thread when I roll scum, but this is probably the first time as either alignment for a decent length of time without posting, and it was simply due to real life cirumstances. I was fine with sheeping the MJ case for a couple of reasons. Zealos was probably not going to get lynched, and MJ was my strongest scumread after him. I had not reread the thread at that time and didnt think that Tunkeg was scum, and was null on him. | ||
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Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore. But zealos first. @zealos who is the most likely to flip red today? | ||
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And yea LI was a great example. | ||
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On May 25 2012 22:18 froggynoddy wrote: Well I'm not sure what to make of the Zealos vs Zelblade thing. The zealos lynch looks awfully similar to the Mouldy mislych, but I think Zealos seems scummier. I feel uncomfortable with the concept 'we should pick one of two' as it leaves the lynch even more open to scum control, in fact I'm going to go and check who said that as that seems like something hugely anti-town. Consolidating a lynch in the last 12 hours is one thing, but narrowing conversation on two players in first 24hours of the game is just plain awful for town. I still think N_T and Katina are most likely to flip scum. Katina, lurking Day 1 is almost viable townie strat, Day 1 and Day 2... Get constructive. ##Unvote ##Vote Katina How is limiting the lynch to 2 players a bad thing? You realise if everyone went voting for their "strongest" read, it causes the votes to most likely be spread out over a large amount of players, leading to scum being able to easily manipulate the lynch due to the probably low amount of votes required. Also I dont see where anyone said we have to pick one of the two. If you preferred to lynch someone else its on you to actually go and push the person yourself. Since you ignored Tunkeg, what are your thoughts on him? | ||
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Actually ill rather just lynch zealos either way. Looking at his filter he doesnt even mention hiro at all. He says that I am likely a scum targert and he is suspicious of marv, so why not check into me/marv? Unless he has breadcrumbed his check in some way during the night I probably will still prefer a zealos lynch. | ||
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My main first case was against acro, which was valid at the time, however, I think it's pretty clear to everyone that Marvel is a town player, so there was no point checking him. On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote: Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent: I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active. (ironic) The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum. So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why? But you didnt think him town. | ||
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What did he do in that extremely short timespan that convinced you he wasnt worth a check? | ||
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Give me a while to read hiro's filter and n1 to come to a decision | ||
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Your case almost seemed reasonable apart from the fact your summary does nothing to point me as mafia, instead, it just tries to find flaws in my case against you. I'll just put this here. Posted before marv's last post of the night, and from it one can infer that he still thinks marv is suspicious. I dont buy this claim. My vote is sticking on him. | ||
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Whatever im going to bed. | ||
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I will need to read his filter and stuff before I come to a decision on wether or not I think hes scum. Remember thinking him of not doing much (null) before this, but we'll see. | ||
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On May 26 2012 09:31 VisceraEyes wrote: Then who would you kill tonight if you had a gun? Katina or froggy depending what I think of him when I go and read him. Also im going to go out so post later. | ||
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Why did you not doubt the "DT check" at all? | ||
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Also who is your strongest scumread? Still me? And tone down on the insults please, no need to start another shitstorm here. | ||
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Random DT claim too. How nice. | ||
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Alternatively we could force a counterclaim session now (aka if ur town counterclaim now) and if there arent any, we assume NT and VE are "confirmed". | ||
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But VE always does this kind of stuff -__- I do agree his reasons for protting frog and tunkeg (WHY HIM OVER MARV WHY) are stupid but I see 0 scum motivation to claim like this.... Than again I see 0 town motivation to claim like this. Well I guess "hes VE" is a decent explanation for this? Ok lets lynch VE, hopefully his town play meets my expactations of him not randomly claiming doctor. ##vote: VisceraEyes I also find it extremely ludicrious that you expect us to lynch bugs after you die. Even if you flip town that is going to be extremely difficult since its not even a DT check. Wtf man. | ||
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NT why the hell were you intending to randomly claim VET for no reason? -_________________________- Any breadcrumbs? Why check bugs and hiro? | ||
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Bugs do you buy NT's claim? | ||
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Well lets wait for him to wake up. | ||
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Anyway Im assuming you decieded not to breadcrumb your checks. I guess that I could see what you mean regarding the WBG check and your behaviour after it, but I dont understand why you would check someone that had a decent chance of dying n1. The hiro check made sense I guess. I also dont see why you decided to claim DT because VE claimed. Just saying its a "claimfest" isnt a reason for you to friggin claim, and last I checked a random medic claim doesnt mean you need to claim all your blue roles. | ||
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Do you really think bugs is going to shoot someone he asked to be med prot? Considering that he was in a "trusted" position (I am relatively sure most medics would follow his advice) that is a very wierd move no? | ||
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It doesn't even matter if bugs does flip scum that claim was horribad | ||
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If I am right and scum has no power roles, killing N_T asap is a pirority due to how much damage he had the potential to wreck. Lets say froggy died and we lynched hiro today. What that means is that bugs would be near confirmed, AND there is another check, AND N_T is confirmed. In case you dont know what that means is that there on D4 if this situation occurs, we would enter with 2 confirmed town in a 4v2, possibly even a confirmed scum. If I was scum I would just sac hiro. I mean, look at this. We are wifoming ourselves out of this lynch based on the notion that it is supposedly a bad move for scum, and I dont think it is one, simply due to how much damage N_T would have done if we lynched hiro and he flipped scum. I will post more reasons for my vote later, going to bathe now. ##vote: Hiropro | ||
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##unvote ##vote: Katina | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:30 froggynoddy wrote: Finally, this is going to be last post before game tomorrow. I will be pushing for a WBG lynch next, I will give my reasons tomorrow (game tomorrow). I highly doubt you are going to have the luxury of surviving the night so if you are going to make a case do it now (or just before the deadline) I will post my thoughts on the game tomorrow. | ||
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##vote: Tunkeg | ||
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Tunkeg dont go this game wasnt your fault at all =( Thanks for hosting guys was a great game  | ||
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On June 03 2012 07:19 gonzaw wrote: Oh, lol! EDIT: At least VE did make some saves as doc and claimed as such, unlike Sentinel in a game I don't want to remember >_> Well VE's saves were not only really wierd but his claim came at a... odd time. Still dont have any idea why he decided to do it. I also do not know why NT was planning to fakeclaim vet d3 lol -__- | ||
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