Magic: The Gathering Mini Mafia

On May 21 2012 04:50 HiroPro wrote:


Cue VE roleclaim in 3... 2... 1...

On May 21 2012 05:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
Cool.

A few notes I want to share with everyone:

1. Please don't lurk.
2. With that said, please don't spam either; if we have like 50 pages by the end of d1 it'll probably be looking really good for mafia.
3. If you are a blue role: don't breadcrumbyour role; you may choose to breadcrumb your actions, as that is more useful (and much harder to fake for scum). Don't play diffferently simply because you have a power role; scum will notice.
4. DTs: choose players who are unlikely to be framed or shot n1. Choose players who you think will live for a while.
5. Medics/JK: don't bluehunt, just protect the most sensible townies.
6. Vigis: don't be MrZentor (case in point: Game of Thrones)
7. Veterans: please don't do stupid shit to try to ensure you get shot. Chances are far stronger you'll be lynched for being a moron than take a bullet from scum.

Anyway, all general advice and all stuff most of you should know, but read it over anyway.



I don't support policy lynching but I do agree we should keep an eye on VE because his play can be quite erratic. If he's the focus of attention as either alignment it becomes very difficult to discern what he is. So for now I think we should look elsewhere so we don't have that problem, and let VE decide for himself what he wants to do.

On May 21 2012 05:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Whether or not advice is good has nothing to do with the alignment of a player, just the same as making a plan, regardless of how good it is, is generally not indicative of alignment.

If the advice makes sense, follow it. If not, don't. The question of "is this guy scum" has nothing to do with that.

On May 21 2012 05:12 Tunkeg wrote:
Even though I think it was a great way of finding scum for me. It wasn’t necessarily good for town..... . It have also led me close to being lynched many times

On May 22 2012 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote:


Hey Nova, since you seem to want to ignore my question to you (something that's actually USEFUL to this game, unlike your "challenge"), how about you actually answer it instead of trying to distract town with meaningless drivel? I'll even repost it for your convenience.

On May 22 2012 04:16 froggynoddy wrote:
Hello, finally recovered from weekend (did not expect this game to start so early).

Hello Marv : I'm almost tempted to policy vote you due to how scary good you played with me as scum in LIV. Policy lynches are bad though so your safe until you post more.

I don't think WBG's opening comment is alignment charged. there are equal reasons for both town and scum to open up D1 with general common sense posts.

From the 2 games I've played (Noobie VIII and TLMafia LIV) and N_T has been lurky/bored as townie and hyper-active as scum. Just saying.

Navillus, despite still being a noob I am strongly against a 'voting against vets' policy. It makes no sense and seems hugely anti-town, unless its a joke.

Let me know if it is because until then [b]##Vote Navillus[/b

On May 22 2012 04:16 froggynoddy wrote:
Hello, finally recovered from weekend (did not expect this game to start so early).

Hello Marv : I'm almost tempted to policy vote you due to how scary good you played with me as scum in LIV. Policy lynches are bad though so your safe until you post more.

I don't think WBG's opening comment is alignment charged. there are equal reasons for both town and scum to open up D1 with general common sense posts.

From the 2 games I've played (Noobie VIII and TLMafia LIV) and N_T has been lurky/bored as townie and hyper-active as scum. Just saying.

Navillus, despite still being a noob I am strongly against a 'voting against vets' policy. It makes no sense and seems hugely anti-town, unless its a joke.

Let me know if it is because until then ##Vote Navillus[/b

On May 22 2012 04:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm cool with killing nova, since he seems to want to extend joke accusations into real ones for no particular reason. He also isn't using his brain; case in point, this post:



Navillus, if I remember correctly, said he wanted to kill me (whether seriously or not, who cares)

Nova seemingly wants to jump on any person who is getting traction for a lynch. Namely, since I was gone and Navillus voted me, I was a good choice. Note how Nova never once mentions me before this post. He addresses my posts but expressly avoids saying that he finds my advice post indicative of me being scum or anything like that when I react.

On the other hand, people have found Navillus suspicious for his not-so-serious vote on me. While it is a bit suspicious in itself, I find it more suspicious that plenty of people are so willing to kill him based on almost nothing at all. One of those players is nova.

On May 22 2012 04:46 HiroPro wrote:

What kind of bs omgus vote is this. He votes for you and makes an argument, so he's scum?

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Are you saying that all of these players are scum?

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Tunkeg: Stop hiding and respond to my case on you.

On May 22 2012 04:52 HiroPro wrote:


Oh he voted for Navilius. W/e. Your reasoning still sucks.

On May 22 2012 04:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Guilty until proven innocent? Sounds just fine.

##Vote: Nova_Terra

On May 22 2012 05:31 froggynoddy wrote:
*sigh* I give up N_T. This is wasting enough space as it is. If this is how you play town, or even generally argue your points, then I kinda feel sorry for you.

On May 22 2012 07:25 Katina wrote:


I made an apperance earlier today. Do you not read over the thread my dear?



I would to bring attention to this lovely post. N_T might be the BM version 2! I say this because of his spam, oneliners, and the fact he seems to be refreshing the thread every 5 minutes. When BM is mafia he always over emphasizes that he is confirmed town.

Such things are silly to say and provide no help to the town I will be setting my vote.

##Vote Nove_Terra

Based on his fliter, he seems to more interesting in proving his innocence then trying to find the Mafia.

On May 22 2012 14:18 EchelonTee wrote:
acid, jeb, katina, or no lynch

i think one of those should happen

On May 22 2012 16:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs, I loathe to talk about my reads with you for balance reasons, but everyone else has forsaken us.

How confident are YOU that Nova is scum? I feel like he went limp kinda quick, but aside from that has at least quit posting scummily. Whether that's just because he's quit posting is obviously up for debate. Combined with the fact that he's got so many people going "Meta him bro" and the fact that he's all "Meta me bro" and it just looks really bad.

But something doesn't feel right - like, he seems like TOO easy a target, ya know?

On May 22 2012 17:44 zelblade wrote:
About my lack of activity: I was quite busy yesterday. I'll probably be more active today.

I hate people who post with self-imposed restrictions. Of course this doesnt apply when people are actually able to remain clear - Foolishness in Aperture for instance. However, when it gets plain irritating and difficult to infer (maybe its bad reading comprehension but w/e) its a complete pain in the ass. What this obviously means is that I dont like Mattchew and want to lynch him. Yes its a policy lynch but I dont care.

Nova's posting is horrible, I agree. So he votes VE because VE is supposedly a bitch to play with and because hes a vet. As pointed out, terribad logic. But of course its a first vote, and its day one, probable joke vote, so lets just let that slide. A little more of bad logic on the Tunkeg point - if you really believe people are going to follow you reads AFTER they mislynch you for being disruptive.... okay. And town doesnt neccessarily have to be "sure" unless you are a mafia god/hacker who never doubts his reads. The philospohy of "Guilty until proven innocent" is useful but that doesnt mean that you can lynch everyone day 1 because you feel they havent proved their innocence day 1 enough wtf. Since I dont feel like going through the rest of it ill stop here.

I agree with VE that this lynch just seems so... easy? His actions are pretty disruptive though, and Im fine with killing him for the continious pushing of bad logic.

Im fine with either of this two today

On May 22 2012 23:42 marvellosity wrote:
Katina is a lady

On May 23 2012 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey, Nova, I'm gonna keep playing the way I'm playing. If you don't like it, you should probably vote to remove me...but I'll warn you that I won't go quietly and you're going to find yourself very lonely on a VE wagon.

The time for cases is almost upon us, you won't rush me into posting something half-assed just to appease you. How about instead of worrying about me posting a case, you do something productive other than prodding me? Don't worry about me.

On May 23 2012 01:20 Mattchew wrote:
EBWOP:



"Your strategy is marvelous. I've just made a few minor adjustments." —Veris, watcher of Indi Keep

On May 23 2012 04:32 Katina wrote:

Hardly. I have been going for you for awhile now. I voted for you ages ago.

On May 23 2012 04:39 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
## unvote: mattchew
## vote: nova_terra
originally i had speculations about you being scum but later in game you've convinced other people aswell as myself. i hope my original thoughts where correct.

On May 23 2012 04:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
But Nova, you've already told me everything I need to know to determine your alignment. In short,

On May 23 2012 05:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record, Bugs is completely ignoring me when I speak to him and slinging shit at me without substantiating it. This is scummy behavior, and completely out of character for Bugs - after all, he's known as a pretty top notch scum player.

##Unvote: Nova_Terra
##Vote: Mouldy Jeb

I'm okay with this lynch, and the Nova wagon isn't going anywhere.

On May 23 2012 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
In fact,

##Unvote: Mouldy Jeb
##Vote: Nova_Terra

This might happen after all. Keep in mind that as soon as a little pressure was on him from anyone but wherebugsgo, Nova_Terra stopped posting like a jester. This guy is scummy scum. Let's make him hang.

On May 23 2012 06:27 Katina wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...=325394&user=255225

Look at this link where N_T was mafia. Notice that he spams here.... and what is he doing this game?
...
...
Spam!

On May 23 2012 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote:


1) I've already stated. He was using contradictory logic to point a finger at you yesterday - saying you were scummy for giving advice while giving advice himself. His interaction with Katina was especially scummy in my opinion, not knowing or caring who was voting for him. Like, imagine it from a scum perspective. You're not the leading candidate, and it's minutes from a deadline, are you going to know or care who is voting for you? No man, you're going to know every single person who's on the actual lynch wagon though by my estimation. The fact that he didn't realize that Katina was the very second person to vote for him is suspicious as hell to me, taken with everything else.

2) Mattchew, Tunkeg AND Katina have all given decent reasoning for their suspicions (by my estimation). Mattchew's self-imposed (I'm assuming) restriction, while not the clearest at times, at least serves to let his reads be known. Katina, while not being the most super active, has at least been trying to find out peoples' motivations and provided reasoning for her vote.

3) I'm actually semi-okay with a Mouldy lynch aside from the fact that you prefer it to Nova. Nova's on it too. I don't like that. Aside from that, I have no qualms with a Mouldy lynch. The thing is though, my vote isn't integral for a Mouldy lynch, and if it became a situation where it was, I would switch to Mouldy just to make a lynch happen. But as it stands, I've got a healthy counter-wagon going on one of my scum candidates and I think my vote is more useful over here.

On May 23 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote:
Jeb looks to have left the thread. He's a scummy quitter. If you honestly think he's town, then lololol.

And why do you think he's scum, but don't want to vote for him, VE?

And what the heck is VCA.

On May 23 2012 06:52 Katina wrote:


I'm not. I'm just saying he has done it before.

On May 23 2012 06:53 Navillus wrote:


Vote count analysis

And VE I see what you're saying and it is possible to respond like that as town but in my experience just giving up with no unhappiness or anything about getting lynched and no real attempts to stop the lynch or push someone else is not something townies do often, as scum it's easy to get oneself thinking "oh they got me, there's no way I can move this wagon because I'm scum and they know it" As town you know that you're town and usually would try to show others.

Also while I still think NT is probably town, rereading him and looking at recent posts one unsettling trend is his constantly talking about his own meta and how he's matching it, I haven't seen many town who pay so much attention to their own meta, usually as town one would just think I'm playing town, it's gonna match my town meta. Scum have to pay more attention because their behavior is going to change and they have to make an effort to keep it as much the same as they can. Frankly once it's clear that he's paying so much attention to his meta, meta arguments that would point to him being town are pretty much useless since he's obviously making a real effort to keep with his town meta.

On May 23 2012 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote:


Yeah man, but here's the conundrum - OTHERS have been citing his meta as evidence if his towniness, and FIRST actually. So is he just parroting what others have said as a new town trying to show up who he perceives as a threat, or is he new scum literally telling us he's scum? This is the information I was trying to go over with Bugs last night which he's completely ignored. So is that your opinion then, that he's probably town and just intimidated into defensiveness?

On May 23 2012 07:01 VisceraEyes wrote:


And there you have it. No one - literally NOT ONE PERSON is saying he's scum because of his meta. In fact, the only time people have mentioned his meta have been DEFENDING HIM AS TOWN aside from the one comment from Katina referencing his "spam".

On May 23 2012 07:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
Intentionally trying to aggravate me isn't going to work Nova, tell Bugs that he'll have to try something a little less transparent. I'd tell him myself, but he's selectively reading my posts and I'm not confident he'll pick it up.

On May 23 2012 07:10 marvellosity wrote:
Hrmph. I want to lynch into Katina/HiroPro/Zealos tomorrow.

On May 23 2012 07:14 marvellosity wrote:


What an odd question. You attempt a case on whoever you think is scummiest, how's that for a plan?

On May 23 2012 07:20 marvellosity wrote:


What in god's name do you mean by 'we'll see'? You may fucking grace us by making a case?

On May 23 2012 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote:


What are you so worried about? The lynch just happened bro. Where's all this bravado that was coming out in the minutes before the lynch? Why the sudden turn to despair and futility? Here, I'll even keep score so you don't have to worry anymore.

VisceraEyes : 0
Scum : 1

As you can see, you've pulled ahead early. Surely things are looking up for you yeah?

On May 23 2012 07:23 marvellosity wrote:


VE: this is why I want Nova shot.

On May 24 2012 03:53 Katina wrote:
You know Mattchew, your quotes are cute and all but I can't help wonder what your motivation is for doing so. The games I have played in with you are nothing like this. Are you and N_T Mafia buddies?

On May 24 2012 17:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
Is he gone?

<peeks around a corner>

Anyway if Acid never responds, we kill him.

To make that threat more real, let's turn up the heat.

##vote Acid~

Nova, do you support a lynch of any of Acid, zealos, or Tunkeg?

On May 24 2012 22:57 froggynoddy wrote:
So my biggest problem this game is with Hiro and N_T as they both play in a way that I think is really stupid if you're town. Aggression per se is fine, but aggression coupled with a complete lack of logical coherence is terrible for town. The only motivations I can think of for this kind of behaviour is scum trying to look town or bad town play trying to emulate VE or BH style aggression (which is usually backed up with evidence and more importantly the ability to have your mind changed when faced with cogent argument).

This being said I have both Hiro and N_T are leaning scum.

The former because of his aggressive tunnelling of Tunkeg on very little evidence (change of playstyle argument: did it occur to you that perhaps its more difficult to change how you think/play than by just simply announcing it; regardless I fail to see how this change of playstyle is in anyway alignment-dependent) and a lot of OMGUS.

The latter because of his pretty disruptive D1 behaviour coupled with his recent 'cooling down' as soon as pressure subsided. NT, If you truly think the way you played D1 is a constructive way of playing townie why not continue? Been rebuked in scum-QT perhaps?

Of the two I think I would like an NT lynch, but mainly because if Hiro is not scum then its highly likely that Zealos and N_T are scumbuddies.:



Soft defence much?

##Vote: Nova_Terra

On May 22 2012 01:57 Katina wrote:
Hi guys, just finished reading through the thread (not that it was much to read) I like how people jumped onto the VE votes like little school girls licking lollipops and followed the teacher. We are how far into day one? and there are only a few pages and not much to go on as in terms of scum hunting. I agree that Navillus looks a little suspicious at the moment. I will be rereading the thread and taking a closer look at what we have so far.

On May 22 2012 07:25 Katina wrote:


I made an apperance earlier today. Do you not read over the thread my dear?



I would to bring attention to this lovely post. N_T might be the BM version 2! I say this because of his spam, oneliners, and the fact he seems to be refreshing the thread every 5 minutes. When BM is mafia he always over emphasizes that he is confirmed town.

Such things are silly to say and provide no help to the town I will be setting my vote.

##Vote Nove_Terra

Based on his fliter, he seems to more interesting in proving his innocence then trying to find the Mafia.

On May 22 2012 08:07 Katina wrote:


I was reading through filters and came across this post. It is just O.o This post does not have a purpose. It feels forced. Almost like he didn't really want to post but knew that he had to. I'm not saying we should kill him but that a finger of suspicion should be pointed onto him.

He just played the noob card in his post. I'm always wary of those people. They don't tickle my fancy.

On May 23 2012 04:19 Katina wrote:
Sorry, I'm here now. I had a very busy day yesterday but it's all good now.









Okay.... please tell me you guys have seem how inconsistent N_T is. Take a look at his filter. He opens with going after VE right off the back with close to no reasoning except he that he might be a veteran. Then he proceeds to spew out short useless posts. He is throwing doubt around the town and is picking at everyone. I don't need to tell you guys he's spamming relentlessly. As I said before he seems more interested in proving his own innocence than trying to find mafia. This is shown by how he is trying to kill anyone he can. Instead of just focusing on one or two players.

On May 25 2012 01:15 marvellosity wrote:


Was just picking through your filter a little and found this. In what world, where you are townie, is getting a bunch of town to think you're scum a productive outcome?

On May 25 2012 01:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
My case on bugs is strong, and all of you are going to realize it when it's too late. marvellosity, I expected more from you.

##Unvote: wherebugsgo
##Vote: Zealos

Katina's probably town.

On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote:


Just finished reading the thread dear. Lots of pages to read this morning.

I really like how people are so focused on me when there are clearly scummy people like N_T and Mattchew.

One of those two should be the top lynch candidates for today hands down.

N_T has not nearly been as active today as he has been from the start of the game. He wants to kill me only bescause I'm pushing for him hard. He has been staying in the shadows today and only poking his head out when the votes start coming in on another player. May I bring up my past arguements against him:

1. Spam!
2. Spam!
3. More focused on proving his innocence than scum hunting (unless you want to call his only scum read on me as "scum hunting".)
4. Inconsistent

As I have stated he is only focusing on me and now by making that "Case" against me is a waste of time that could be used to find the Mafia.

As for Mattchew, I mean really? Do I even have to explain why I think he's scum and want to lynch him?
He has been completely ignoring me when I have called him out. Wait. He ignores just about everything and only comments when he has a qoute for it. He's not being helpful at all to the town and it annoys me that he is still alive and not being considered for the lynch. Others have commented on how annoying his qoutes are but yet no one has felt the need to vote for him.

On May 25 2012 04:54 HiroPro wrote:


Where.

On May 25 2012 05:38 froggynoddy wrote:
Up until Mouldy flipped town I felt that N_T was just playing aggressively. though badly and I pretty much had a null read on him. When Mouldy flipped town however and NT, almost schizophrenically one might say, toned down the aggression I felt like he had a scum agenda. Though we can be somewhat excused him from voting for Mouldy he made very little attempt to find scum apart from his frankly pathetic attack on myself. Optimally as a townie he should have pushed for whoever he felt was most scum rather than wait for a bandwagon to form on Mouldy and just hop on last minute.

However when he was pressured to make a case from Marv who does he pick? Katina. Probably the easiest case to write as even when she is town she lurks like crazy. It seems like N_T desperately needed a case (see my case on Grush in LIV when I was encouraged by scummate to write a case). Note that similar reasoning could be applied to Hiro, hence my mentioning him quite a few times.

I didn't vote for Mouldy due to not having been able to post since lynch time and his lacklustre play had not occurred when I went inactive.

On May 25 2012 20:57 marvellosity wrote:
Alright, cool. I know Matt and I shouldn't have sworn each other, but imo anything relating to giving up or not trying is simply 20x worse.

On May 26 2012 19:14 Tunkeg wrote:


Tell me what idea is bad, and why it is bad. I'll try not to rage at stuff like this and instead hold you accountable for it. Instead of discredit what I say, without any arguement behind it. At least explain why it is bad, and what I am wrong about. If not it is just a cheapshot without any meaning.

On May 26 2012 19:15 froggynoddy wrote:


As opposed to your great powers of insight... Note that I am not tunnelling you, I am calling your play suspicious but think other players are leaning more scum than you. Stop trying to discredit me and start using your astounding powers of spam-alot to discredit the argument.

On May 26 2012 19:15 Tunkeg wrote:


I still believe you to be scum though, so I would expect this kind of behaviour. It makes perfect sense from a scum point of view.

On May 26 2012 19:15 froggynoddy wrote:


As opposed to your great powers of insight... Note that I am not tunnelling you, I am calling your play suspicious but think other players are leaning more scum than you. Stop trying to discredit me and start using your astounding powers of spam-alot to discredit the argument.

On May 26 2012 19:57 Tunkeg wrote:


Fair enough I agree. It was written while still being angry. If you read the rest I wrote after that you will see that I will try to contribute and actually do my own reads and votes. Thanks for clarifying what you thought was bad.



I am not mad at you. I have just decided that everytime anyone calls anything I write dumb, bad, stupid, retarded I will now make sure to comment on it (if I catch it), and make them explain why, I can't promiss not going apeshit again, but I will try. Why I thiink it makes perfect sense for scum to write that this is bad/stupid etc etc have I explained here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337724&currentpage=62#1221

On May 27 2012 02:34 Katina wrote:
Okay first of all, I'm really tired of people (WBG) assuming I'm mafia because of my Meta I have said myself I have been busy. Stuff kept coming up this week, that's what happens when you have a "Life". I am sorry I couldn't be more active.

Secondly the two people I have been gunning for (N_T and Mattchew) are doing nothing but constantly bashing me. N_T is so focused on getting me lynched he is completely distracting himself from the forum. Mattchew is butt hurt because I got him to crack and stop using his quotes.

Third, I realize that Zealos claimed. I was fine lynching him as I stated in one of my posts before that. So me voting for someone I thought was scummy is considered Mafia? I love the logic behind that.

I apologize for not spewing out random votes and cluttering up the thread like a lot of you do. Everyone is so focused on me for stupid reasons when there are so many scummier people.

On May 27 2012 02:47 Katina wrote:


Thank you for proving my point Mattchew.

Yeah, I don't imagine you would know what one is like. Your not butt hurt by that? Could have fooled me.That's why you have been riding my butt since you started posting reguarly.

If you honestly think that N_T hasn't been gunning for me or bashing me then you are really blind my dear sir.

I have been posting my reads and thoughts. Not my fault you don't have the attention span to actually read the posts. You don't even need to really. All you do is end up coming right back at me.

You are definetly Mafia and it's all just a matter of time before people pull their heads out of the sand and realize that.

On May 27 2012 08:48 Mattchew wrote:

why would you say this anytime that is not 2 seconds before the deadline

On May 29 2012 04:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
My insight is littered all over the thread. It's there to see, but this time...he's just too good.

I think Nova is scum based on the early interactions he had with Bugs. He's still never EVER explained when and why he stopped being suspicious of Bugs, because it's all he talked about D1...well, Bugs and Navillus (I think). I believe froggy's vig claim because it has evidence and hasn't been counterclaimed, and I don't believe that Nova's interactions with Zealos at the time of Zealos' claim came from another DT.

I think Mattchew is scum based on his interactions with everyone in the thread. He came in here instantly aggressive to everyone in spite of contributing the barebones minimum up to that point himself. He was "pissed off" that he had to quit looking up Magic card flavors relevant to the game to tell everyone to "shape up"...does that sound feasible to you? At all? And his contributions since he's joined us have been almost even worse than when he was posting flavor.

I think Bugs is scum because one of us is scum at this point. I don't believe that the bugs that I'm buddies with outside the game would play like this as town. I don't, and I've seen him play town plenty. Obviously he says the same of me, in spite of my demeanor and temperament being well documented.

Believe what you will of my play. By my estimation, the only thing I've done wrong this game is tunnel Bugs to oblivion. Tactically sound? Definitely not. Incorrect? Time will tell. But know this: I haven't called bugs idiotic, terrible, stupid or retarded once this game (that I remember...I typically don't). Yet he's the one saying I'm the one being 'hyper-aggressive' and 'irrational'.

On June 03 2012 07:58 marvellosity wrote:
Wait, WAIT.

So I was right about Zealos, Katina, AND Hiro?

Fuck me.