Magic: The Gathering Mini Mafia - Page 25

On May 23 2012 08:14 EchelonTee wrote:
at the end of the day acid, all I want you to do is talk more

On May 23 2012 13:39 Nova_Terra wrote:
hey at least with me here it looks like the game is really active and people take sides on stuff

On May 23 2012 20:17 froggynoddy wrote:


Yeah but useless stuff in terms of scumhunting.

I have been inactive due to work and sunny weather. Have been catching up on the thread this morning. I unfortunately did not get to put my vote off Katina as I only got back to the thread post lynch. If I had done I would have probably voted N_T.

@VE: Perhaps I'm being thick but are your suspicions on WBG simply because you think he's been dodging you? That seems an exceedingly stupid thing to do as scum no?

@Acid: Are you still confident on a marv lynch? Your case on him seems like the strongest so far (which still isnt much tbf).

On May 23 2012 20:51 Acid~ wrote:


I would still like him to explain how he came about his reversal, but I'm not sure I'll be voting him again at the start of Day 2. First I want to read the thread again, specifically how the Jeb lynch happened, who pointed fingers and who followed, that sort of thing.

On May 23 2012 21:04 marvellosity wrote:


You're not going to get one that satisfies you, I fear. I want scum and/or anti-town dead. I voted for scum (or so I thought) and at the time Nova seemed like a good vig shot, townie or not. Is this pushing a scum agenda? Maybe you could interpret it that way, but it's not the case. froggy, you should certainly know I'm not so openly risky as scum.

Anyway, I have other people on my mind now. Here's hoping Nova makes some kickass cases to disprove my scepticism.

Firstly I will not be held responsible for Acro's posting, deal with it.

Holy moly I have two votes

You're right, I don't, Zealos unvoted me.

no u

My point is that townies should in general strive to be as lucid and clear as possible. Don't give a flying two hoots what you think, if Mattchew just talks in plain text, it will achieve this better than speaking in MTG speak or whatever.

Frankly I'm bored with the sheer quantity of townies who seem to not want to do this. Hence the vote.

Why is it, might I ask, a pro-town play? Last I checked it doesnt friggin matter if your methods work if youre being totally distruptive, which means no one is going to listen to you even if you get x/x scum correct.

For example in LI Tunkeg decided to post a list about how "good" people were judging by the number of games they have played, and suggested a lynch on Jackal because he was supposedly the worst player in the game according to statistics. I am going to assume this is what he meant to with that that game was simply to draw out reactions, and it didnt work so well, simply due to the fact that that list managed to throw off the thread into a lovely discussion (for scum anyway) about how his way of judging supposed skill level was inaccurate and stuff, how he should change the formula blabla, and basically with a few attacks on his play here and there, he had a decent portion of town thinking he was scum.

I will assume that one would easily see why he would think his stratergy isnt exactly the best when it causes him to nearly get mislynched day 1. Also being able to finger every single scum is great, sure, but would you trust his reads if he shits up the thread?

That being said, how is trying out a new style scummy, might I ask? Sure, it could be scum saying that as a preemptive excuse for different meta, but it could easily be town trying to play better as well. I find it somewhat suspicious that you decided to nitpick on such a thing - considering it isnt all that rare for players to want to try out a new style of play once in a while.

And yea Acrofales was pretty obviously joking around a little with the stats and some other stuff.

On May 23 2012 00:00 zelblade wrote:
Apparently I screwed up that quote tag -_-

Eh I just realised its pluarity lynch lol. I am considering if I should dump my vote on zealos and see if it gains any traction or onto one of the three leading candidates. Kind of a hard decision since I wouldnt mind all of them dying.

Mattchew is still being a pain in the ass, though his posts are starting to get understandable, and he actually has more content than say, mouldy jeb. Probably not the best lynch today, think hes town.

I still think nova is scummy. But mouldy more so. Agree with marv's case generally.

##vote: Mouldy Jeb

Also I am going to sleep soon (school) so I probably cant change my vote (deadline sucks for me as usual -_-).

On May 23 2012 21:39 marvellosity wrote:
EBWOP: if you seriously think I'd push something like that as mafia, you're out of your mind.

On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:

So Marvellosity, you've got 4 bullets in your gun, who dies and why?

On May 23 2012 00:21 marvellosity wrote:




So people, what do we think of Zealos? He votes on MouldyJeb who he thinks is bad town. He tells me he doesn't have a strong scumread. Then he reiterates that in fact Mouldy IS a strong scumread, even though he is likely town (seriously, wtf). Contradictions abound.

On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:

No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it.

On May 23 2012 17:57 Zealos wrote:
Just woke up. Lynch is a shame, but worse things can happen, I've got some pretty good scumreads to post, and I'll do them just before deadline to avoid getting killed if possible/gives me time to put together a decent case(s)

On May 21 2012 18:30 Zealos wrote:

I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion.

On May 21 2012 21:57 Zealos wrote:


Trying to get the attention off you by using a personal insult about the first game I ever played seems a bit shit, you got anything to say about the actual case I made, instead of about me?

On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself. He seems very good at pointing out problems, asking questions and what not, but I want to know who you want to kill and why

The point is, useful townies don't use the thread as a place to have a conversation, they use it to root out scum.

On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:

Not to mention from the very start he distances himself from Acro, instead of trying to make himself look more innocent:

I understand the reasoning, but it seems like a free copout for acro's scummy posting. Not to mention he makes a lot of small posts with very little use for them other than to seem active.

On May 23 2012 23:18 Zealos wrote:
Could I just point out how "Active" Marvel has been all game, without making any real cases himself.

On May 24 2012 00:37 Acid~ wrote:


Sure you would. Typical scum. Act all scummy and then act indignant when called out. "Oh come on if I was scum I would never be so obvious about it! Pschaw!"

On May 24 2012 00:42 marvellosity wrote:


I'm thrilled you ask.

I present Zealos the Contradictor.

Nothing is coherent.

The Mouldy Jeb and scumreads affair. Firstly I'm just going to requote my earlier post. Mouldy is a scumread except he's town except he's voting for him except he's not a strong scumread except he is a scumread except he's probably town.



Check out particularly the things I had bolded in the nested quotes. This ties in heavily to whether or not Zealos has scumreads. Because apparently on day 1 he was happy to lynch someone he thought was bad town.



This post in particular abdicates any duty to search for scum and lynch them day 1. When Zealos left last night, he did not have any strong scumreads (apart from Mouldy. who wasn't actually a strong read. etc).



But what's this? The lynch has passed, Zealos has just woken up - and now he magically has 'pretty good' scumreads. Where did these come from? In his sleep? Why were they not posted, you know, during the time we lynch people?

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The 'case' on Acro and inconsistent application of arguments:





Zealos' 'case' on Acro consisted of "you seem to be playing similarly to your scummy meta". He and I may have different interpretations of what means what in Mafia, but this does not a case make. What is Acro supposed to say? Yes? No? Ok?
The only part of his case is an attempt at meta.

Funny, then, how he completely disregards meta while attacking me. I'm cropping the following post because I'm going to use it again.



"Could I just point out" he asks innocently. Given how he was so keen to bring up Acro's meta, it's awfully negligent for him to ignore mine. A cursory check on my games indicates I post a lot, regardless of alignment. For example, I have an 8 page filter as my only scum game in LIV in a 79 page game. I have a 12 page filter from LIII when I played town and died just before page 100. I post a lot regardless of alignment.

His part on me with relation to Acro:



Again, he's putting suspicion on to me, but for what? He completely neglects to mention that the part he's talking about, I even provided a direct link to what I said when I last replaced into a game. It seems like a free copout for Acro's posting? What the fuck am I supposed to do about Acro's posting? It's just insidious. And again with the lots of posts comment when if he was consistent he would know that I post like that.




Handily glosses over that I was one of the first players to make a coherent case on Mouldy:

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In Summary: Zealos blatantly contradicts himself as to whether he has scumreads on day 1, not able to keep up a consistent story. He abdicates responsibility for providing scumreads, but appears with them during the night, having formed them in his sleep. He attempts to use meta to attack Acrofales, but totally neglects to check my meta when attacking me.