EPTbecause i know of no meta and play styles. I was thinking of not voting anyone into power.
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
because i know of no meta and play styles. I was thinking of not voting anyone into power. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 27 2012 19:37 Hyaach wrote: is voting for mayor mandatory? because i know of no meta and play styles. I was thinking of not voting anyone into power. Why would you want to lay down your vote? Not voting only means that Scum-Votepower increase. At least wait until tomorrow, you are bound to find someone you think is town by then. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On May 27 2012 18:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote: The Vice-leader CAN pardon the D1 lynch, so never mind. Here's my new platform: As Mayor, I will lynch Grush57 unless there is an unprecedented, marked improvement in his play. I will not lynch the vice-mayor. A vote for me is a vote to bury Grush57! This is a policy lynch. Furthermore, I typically have an aggressive playstyle that involves using my vote, and with 2 votes I will be twice as effective! <3 I'm still waiting for a response from SnB. Hyaach, someone will get made into mayor whether you vote or not so you should vote and try to get a townie into the spot. All you people who haven't made a single post make me very sad. Especially meeple. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
Every vote, every post will be looked at and the more information we get, the better we can read you. I can see that someone is town when he comes to the same conclusions as i do; the same ideas etc. You have to explain your thoughtprocess and obviously your votes. It's pretty hard for scum to fake all these things because they already know who is scum and who isn't. And that is where we can see the difference between town and scum. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
At this point in time, I would most support Mr. Wiggles as a vote (if not voting for myself). The fact that he states he will not use the pardoner power in 99% of scenarios, and his general tone is good. Also, Wiggles is a strong player who I feel has had the misfortune of being caught in scenarios where town grew incredibly complacent and stagnant (jubjub, liar), and he wasn't able to showcase his ability. If he is elected, it will force him to be more active, and thus more easily show his alignment/help town if he's on our side. I still think that I am the best mayoral candidate because I'm willing to deal with issues head on, but at the same time try (for the most part) to recognize when I am the one being an egotistical dick. So yeah, ET for Earth Leader. RE: Pardoner Since Greymist has already answered that the pardoner can indeed nullify the D1 lynch, I suppose that means that that particular plan is down the tubes. In that case, it would be best if both the pardoner and the mayor were townie. Another scenario that I considered if scum manage to get the pardoner position; if the pardoner is already under a lot of scrutiny (aka next in line to be lynched/vigged), but some other random townie is up for the lynch, then the pardoner could just use their power then. This would prompt town to be "sure" that said townie should be killed along with the pardoner, leading to 2 days of lynches w/o discussion, and only one scum killed from it. I still personally think that the extra vote is more important, but it stands that we can't let the pardoner role get away that easily. RE: grush I'll admit that grush indeed looks quite unreadable and uncooperative, but his play reminds me of MrZentor, a player who I feel I successfully read as town a few times, while everyone saw his demeanor as undeniably scummy. I might be in a skewed position (as I have played scum for quite a few of my past games), but when I was mislynching players like MrZentor, I often felt that if I had been in a town position, there were a number of heuristics that showed that the player was in fact townie. After all, it takes many posts to determine if someone is town, but often just 1 or a few posts to see if someone is scum. If he posts a decent amount, perhaps we'll be able to see something either green or red. Emphasis on perhaps. Grush, I propose that you merely remain as active as possible starting now; this is a call for you to improve your game. You won't get many second chances, so make this one count. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On May 27 2012 19:37 Hyaach wrote: is voting for mayor mandatory? because i know of no meta and play styles. I was thinking of not voting anyone into power. Voting is mandatory. You could "dump" your vote by voting yourself, but that is not the best idea. Your vote is an indication of who you think is townie, and therefore sheds some light on your own alignment. Making town reads is way easier than making scum reads, so make an informed decision later on. You don't have to base it off of meta/play style (some even think that meta is far less important than it is perceived). Read guides and stuff if you're unsure; you can find them stickied in the forum. The only way you can go wrong is if you don't logically explain why you vote the way you do. If you're not new and I sound patronizing as fck, I apologize. I'm sleeping. Euro's, please pick up where we left off. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
However I don't see how your questions for me make sense. I didn't even mention the "keep pardoner power out of scum hands" the first time because that seemed me the obvious motivation for any townie to run for that office, and I was interested in explaining why I specifically was interested in running for that. I'm interested in hearing where I've been omgus-ing, from whoever it was that accused me of that before; as far as I cam tell I haven't called bh scum, but I could be missing something. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I plan on running for mayor The 2 major aspects of my candidacy:
Point 1 is easily proven (not gonna lie, cpy & pasted): + Show Spoiler [d1 reads from my last 5 games] + L: Erandorr, turned out red. Next one: Sandroba, turned out red AC: Schworz My one big failure, but that guy fakeclaimed DT and told people he got a red check on my mod-confirmed bodyguard in a game without framers as a townie, lol. Ever since that happened I just completly lost myself and derped the game. Storm: RoL, WBG, VE RoL was the strongest read but he basicly claimed mafia in the thread so that doesn't count. WBG flipped mafia, VE flipped SK, pick one of those C9++ #2: VE, guy flipped mafia I feel like I forgot a game as townie and I'm pretty sure my main mafia read that game was wrong as well but don't know for sure, so just take these. So as you can see my best d1-read is usually incredible good while I myself have no idea why. I am having huge troubles to explain what I am seeing in people when I am a townie which led to the believe that it's my intuition, which again, was proven horribly wrong when I attempted to play AC completly on the fly, just by intuition. And everyone knows how that game went :p I'm not saying the people I listed above got lynched d1 but that I told people those are my strongest reads d1 and noone wanted to lynch them because I wasn't able to explain why I wanted them lynched properly which sounds weird for most people (understandable) because it could just as well be a mafia who does not want to explain his reads because he knows they're wrong. So basicly: Look at that statistic. I am going to give you mafia or at least not-town d1 unless some jackass townie fakeclaiming DT and a red check on a modconfirmed green comes along screwing my radar and pissing me off. About point 2: I think I am reeeeeeally good when getting mafia. Not because my mafia play is incredible good but because I think I am really good at making it look exactly the same way my townplay looks. In general vets (except for syllo) told me my mafia play is good. WBG claimed VE and I did the best action TL-mafia has ever seen from a pair of mafias in LI. Rad keeps telling me I'm unreadable and so does WBG. Most of the times people play with me for the first time as mafia they think I am pretty much confirmed townie. Remember the Annul disaster? I was a mafia and Annul asked people in the thread who is the most likely / best townread in general and people (like Rad) said it's me resulting in me getting a free day-vig shot as mafia. That's not because I'm good at playing mafia but I am incredible good at making it look like a townie no matter how retarded the situation might be. Doing mistakes on purpose because I think my town-self would do the same mistake in that situation and being very transparent as mafia. People have a really hard time figuring you out like that. So I'm probably going to have a really hard time to make my alignment clear because people are giving me a really hard time due to my play as mafia. I'd usually say the way to figure me out is derpage or reads but since I told you that I can at least fake derpage myself. So you might ask yourself: wtf Toad. Why are you telling us you're scary as mafia? Fear not for I am not mafia this game and I will have a hard time proving that because people think I am unreadable. So let me propose we solve both issues at once. You make me mayor, I give you a dead mafia d1, you will be at ease for a moment unless all the jubjubs appear telling people "well that could be Toad bussing his buddy d1!!!!!" until I make you lynch into my next strongest read again :p So basicly my candidacy is based on lynching whoever I think is the best shot we have at getting anti-town. That will most likely not be the guy town in general wants dead but someone most people will agree on, that he's looking suspicious. If I lynch into some guy that town thinks is the most suspicious that's not an alignment tell at all (for you guys) unless I was heavily pushing him myself, rendering the plan useless That's it, reading the thread now :p | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
Anyway, I should have done this much earlier: ##Vote: strongandbig | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
may I add, that you didnt answer this question? I think we should lynch you for that nonsensepost. You're talking too much about your mafiaplay there. If you don't end up being EXTREMELY I really won't change my mind. Remember the Annul disaster? - I knew you were red, remember? next time examine the playerlist more carefully. You sir, are screwed. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 27 2012 23:05 supersoft wrote: "So you might ask yourself: wtf Toad. Why are you telling us you're scary as mafia?" may I add, that you didnt answer this question? I think we should lynch you for that nonsensepost. You're talking too much about your mafiaplay there. If you don't end up being EXTREMELY I really won't change my mind. Remember the Annul disaster? - I knew you were red, remember? next time examine the playerlist more carefully. You sir, are screwed. I said that because I want to answer the question wether or not I am mafia this game by lynching mafia d1 because apparently people are not able to figure me out no matter of alignment. You're just another proof for that this game :p Easy as that. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
I wanna explain you guys what he does there. It's like the opposite of what he's supposed to do as town. As town, you try to prove that you're town. You don't try to convince people to not even try to figure you out. Toad really? If he doesn't provide a real good discussion and a better target than himself, he should definetely hang. To make that sure, I encourage you to vote me for mayor. my campaign: Lynch the selfclaimed scumplayer Toadesstern. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On May 27 2012 23:14 Toadesstern wrote: I said that because I want to answer the question wether or not I am mafia this game by lynching mafia d1 because apparently people are not able to figure me out no matter of alignment. You're just another proof for that this game :p Easy as that. okay? You basically prove me right there: accusing you for terrible play is not allowed because you're unreadable anyway? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On May 27 2012 23:17 Toadesstern wrote: yeah, that's not going to work SS dude okay, I know your townplay. As townie, you'd try to explain things. You lazy scum now try to attack my credibility instead of discussing my points. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 27 2012 23:17 supersoft wrote: okay? You basically prove me right there: accusing you for terrible play is not allowed because you're unreadable anyway? I never did that. I said people tend to agree that I am really hard to read, no matter of alignment and that's what the majority of vets keep saying about me. That's why I want to be mayor. IF I'm town I'll lynch mafia IF I'm mafia I'll lynch town and try to get out of the mislynch with some horsecrap "well everyone is wrong from time to time". I'm offering a possibility to figure me out d1 when the majority of vets claim that I'm unreadable. That's basicly it. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 27 2012 23:18 supersoft wrote: dude okay, I know your townplay. As townie, you'd try to explain things. You lazy scum now try to attack my credibility instead of discussing my points. dude I did one post, a mayorial campaign and I'm not going to explain shit at all until later tonight because I'm off in 10 minutes and won't bother reading the thread before I'm back lol. What lack of explanation is so worrying about my first post? The lack of explanation of my first (non existing, because haven't read the thread yet) lynch target? | ||
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