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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
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Zealos
United Kingdom3575 Posts
Because that's my opinion of the game so far. It seems like everyone is ready to jump on, without really looking at rest of the game. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I don't really like the idea of policy lynching a player nearly solely based on past performance, so I won't elect either Blazinghand or Sinensis. I asked Blazinghand if he would lynch Grush rather than someone he thought was scum, and I'm not entirely satisfied with his answer. He said that he's willing to lynch someone other than Grush, but it relies on a bunch of conditions beyond merely thinking Grush is town. From his answer, it reads that even if he has a town read on Grush, he'd lynch him if he doesn't like his play. That sounds like it gives him an extremely convenient cop-out if he gets elected leader, since he can just lynch Grush and come up with any excuse for why he thinks his play would be a detriment to town. I don't agree with that. I don't like VE for mayor right now, since he hasn't really been doing much in the thread since he declared his candidacy, and in general, he plays pretty compulsively, which I think is bad to have for either the mayor or pardoner. I don't trust him to play cooperatively with the rest of town rather than just do what he personally thinks is best, which might not always be the best play. Toad, I don't really get your platform. Basically, you say you'll lynch a scum on Day 1, and the rest of it's some nonsense about how you're impossible to read. But, how does that promise do anything to motivate us to vote you in? The thing about saying you'll lynch scum Day 1 is that we have to vote you in with the hope that you'll do as you promised after already being the mayor. It's not based on what you're going to be doing on Day 1, it's based on what you'll do after you're elected. In your post, you don't even make it clear if you'd give us any heads-up about who you want to lynch or if you'd just pick someone when you get into office. As well, you say that it's an alignment check. But what happens if you mislynch? It's entirely possible. You say that if you do it as scum, you'll say "well everyone is wrong from time to time", but what if you're town? Won't you end up saying the same thing? As it stands, I don't think I'll vote for you. Lastly, Kitaman, I don't think anyone's going to take your suggestion seriously. However, I'm interested, why did you choose Hyaach? What made you want to suggest him as the random mayor? So, right now, I think that voting for myself and EchelonTee is the best choice. If you agree, please give me your votes. I need you to vote for me if you would like to see me in office. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
What I do think, and is hopefully phrased in a better way, is that both of you can on occasion get into posting patterns which are non-constructive and hard to analyze. I do think the mass of posts last night between ET and BH was an example of this, and I think that VE tends to do this when he thinks he's right and town is wrong. I will still be supporting EchelonTee for mayor for the reasons I stated above: I think his posting style makes it easier to understand and analyze his leadership than it would for BH and VE. I'm not sure about Wiggles' candidacy, I don't think I've played many games with him yet. I'll keep thinking about that. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 28 2012 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote: "Hey guys no scum candidate is up for elections so I'm gonna put one up now." Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p On May 28 2012 02:03 GambitX32 wrote: @kitaman: elect someone who isn't running? This doesn't make sense to me, would if they are bad at reading people or turn out to be a lurker? Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards. On May 28 2012 02:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: rofl kita aren't you copying foolishness with that one? Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate. On May 28 2012 02:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Lastly, Kitaman, I don't think anyone's going to take your suggestion seriously. However, I'm interested, why did you choose Hyaach? What made you want to suggest him as the random mayor? Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor? Lets lynch meeple. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 28 2012 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote: I am, I was just starting when he went offline. I´ll pick it up when he gets back. Who is even attacking Toad? On May 28 2012 02:31 Zealos wrote: Good to know everyone is jumping on Toades, I was afraid it was only me and supersoft. Because that's my opinion of the game so far. It seems like everyone is ready to jump on, without really looking at rest of the game. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
@Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter. @Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form. To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6785 Posts
Lots of people I don't know in this game, I would run for mayor but there are already a lot of candidates and I'd be happy with both ET and wiggles at the moment. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote: I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low. @Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter. @Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form. To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated. There is no separate election for pardoner, the runner up for mayor becomes the pardoner. It's true that pardoner's power is really bad if it gets into scum hands, so people should only vote for their strong town reads; but since mayor does so much more to determine the early town atmosphere, has a power that can actually be used without the whole town jumping on him, and gets double votes, I think we should not be voting for anyone who is mostly running for vice leader. We can worry about organizing town to get a particular person into second place if the mayoral election looks like it has an obvious winner, but until that point we should be voting for a mayor IMO. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
The wording in the OP did not take into account the nature of the day 1 lynch. The Vice-Leader may pardon the day 1 lynch. He may not pardon himself. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On May 27 2012 19:37 Hyaach wrote: is voting for mayor mandatory? because i know of no meta and play styles. I was thinking of not voting anyone into power. Voting is mandatory | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote: I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low. It´s the other way around, those running for mayor have allready gotten their roles, and it´s likely that a lyncher has joined them because it´s good for a lyncher to become Mayor and immediately lynch his target, it´s MORE likely that one of the candidates is a lyncher. The lynchers target is also likely town, because there are more town in the game. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 28 2012 01:02 grush57 wrote: Okay, getting 3 out of 5 mafia right isn't an achievement. In LIV, I predicted a lot of the mafia aswell even though I was the "scum mvp" You figured 100% mafias out (including two wrongs, making it 3 out of 5) on d1 as well? But yeah I'd say that's quite good for d1 On May 28 2012 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah man, owning scum includes leading town to lynch said threats...If just KNOWING who are scum is enough to "own scumteams" then I'd be one of the most feared individuals on this site. As it stands I'm kinda a joke...so its whatever. You know I can't do that  People don't trust me and I can't explain shit, therefore noone is willing to lynch who I want to lynch although I'm almost right every time. That's why I want to be mayor, that way I don't need to get you to follow me. I just lynch mafia d1 on my own, you guys see I'm town and will get shot n1. Well that WAS the reasoning and it was totally fine with me :p | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
As much as I'd like to see a town role elected, we can't automatically assume toad is town. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On May 28 2012 02:39 kitaman27 wrote: Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards. Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate. Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor? Lets lynch meeple. I think if there's a lyncher in play, then it makes sense for them to run for mayor if they feel semi-confident in coming out of the election alright. That's also why it's important that we elect someone based on their Day 1 play, and not any future promises, and that we elect someone we believe strongly to be town. I'm not that scared of there being a lyncher since I don't think he'd be able to get enough support to be elected, if we're smart about it. I think anyone who's being lined up to become mayor must provide a case on who they want to lynch before they're elected or else we pull out support for them. This will make it harder for scum and potentially a lyncher since they'll be forced to come up with some fake analysis on Day 1, which is hard to make sound sincere. If we don't like what the mayor is saying at that point, or their analysis is fake and contrived, then we can vote for someone else. On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote: I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low. @Hyaach: What do you think about Kitaman voting for you? Or anything else, for that matter. @Wiggles: What do you think about strongandbig? He's your main competitor on current form. To the 60% of players who haven't posted at all yet, please do. No need to feel intimidated. I don't get how he's my main competitor since I'm running for both positions, but would just prefer the pardoner since I know I'm town with 100% certainty. Also, most people are just going to vote for a mayor, not a mayor/pardoner, so we're going to end up with two mayoral candidates who have the most votes, and the runner-up is pardoner. On a side-note, is Strongandbig even still running? But, to answer your question, I don't think he's a good candidate. He basically has no platform, and he hasn't done anything to show that he's town. A lot of his posting is just about that thing with BH that has no bearing on the game. As well, he's unclear with what he's saying about how he'll use the power. He says he probably won't use the power, but then a couple sentences later he says he'll use it if he has a strong town-read. That shows that he's willing to just use the power if he doesn't agree with what the majority of town (remember, this is majority lynch) are thinking. I don't want a pardoner who's going to use his power just because he doesn't agree completely with the lynch. He also says he'll try to bring it up early if he wants to use the power, but that doesn't make much sense, since early on, there won't be a majority on someone. Realistically, a clear lynch target will only really appear in the last half of the day. So, overall, I don't think he's a good candidate for pardoner at all. Like I said, I think I'm a good candidate, and out of other people, ET is the best candidate. The office should be made up of myself and ET. On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote: Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ Why did you claim like this? My major gripe with what you've said so far, is that it doesn't seem like you're willing to put in the effort on Day 1 to show that you're town. As well, you can't be held accountable for anything you've said until after you get elected. Now you throw in this claim, which also can't be verified until after Day 1. Also, why even claim? Mason is a very strong role, especially in this set-up, because masons are confirmed town to the person they talk to. If you hit a townie with your mason, it would have been great for analysis, and if you hit a blue, then they could instantly role-claim to you and share their actions. That's pretty huge. Instead, you choose to waste the role by claiming on Day 1. Why? Why are you so desperate to get elected as mayor? It's not like a town player is useless after Day 1. At this point, it's starting to look like you're a lyncher or assassin who's going all-in on Day 1 to kill his target with the lynch. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On May 28 2012 03:40 Toadesstern wrote: Screw this, don't feel like explaining why I am town, because I don't need to LOL I'm fucking modconfirmed townie. And this is not some Toadi-confirmed this is hands down modconfirmed. I am a Mason and there is no Anti-town role that can produce a mason result according to our OP. I can tell who I wish to mason once n1 has started and once I did that I can talk to the guy. I assume that means talking to him once d2 has started. I can mason ANYONE I WANT meaning I can confirm this and as mentioned there's no mafia or 3rd party role like that. Now you might ask yourself: "But toadi, what if you are mafia and faking this by outing 2 mafias (you and your "masonbuddy", not to mention that that would be completly retarded from a mafia point of view but whatever)? We can't be sure if you really are a mason at all!" I am an awesome mason. The most awesome masons of them all, meaining I can choose a new "target" every night, meaning I can reproduce that confirmation every night if you wish me to. If you believe I am mafia fakeclaiming, fine lynch me if I'm not telling the "truth" d2, I'll flip town and you lynch the guy who said "wait, toad said he masoned me but I did not get a mason-thingy!" afterwards and you get a mafia. If I am town I'm telling the truth and can prove it d2, which means I'm going to be shot n1 again, but I'm counting on that anyways so might as well take a mafia with me and I will. That's it. Vote me pls ❤ We just didn't want to vote you as mayor, I don't even know why a townie should tell his blue role in this in this case. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 28 2012 04:08 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I think if there's a lyncher in play, then it makes sense for them to run for mayor if they feel semi-confident in coming out of the election alright. That's also why it's important that we elect someone based on their Day 1 play, and not any future promises, and that we elect someone we believe strongly to be town. I'm not that scared of there being a lyncher since I don't think he'd be able to get enough support to be elected, if we're smart about it. I think anyone who's being lined up to become mayor must provide a case on who they want to lynch before they're elected or else we pull out support for them. This will make it harder for scum and potentially a lyncher since they'll be forced to come up with some fake analysis on Day 1, which is hard to make sound sincere. If we don't like what the mayor is saying at that point, or their analysis is fake and contrived, then we can vote for someone else. I don't get how he's my main competitor since I'm running for both positions, but would just prefer the pardoner since I know I'm town with 100% certainty. Also, most people are just going to vote for a mayor, not a mayor/pardoner, so we're going to end up with two mayoral candidates who have the most votes, and the runner-up is pardoner. On a side-note, is Strongandbig even still running? But, to answer your question, I don't think he's a good candidate. He basically has no platform, and he hasn't done anything to show that he's town. A lot of his posting is just about that thing with BH that has no bearing on the game. As well, he's unclear with what he's saying about how he'll use the power. He says he probably won't use the power, but then a couple sentences later he says he'll use it if he has a strong town-read. That shows that he's willing to just use the power if he doesn't agree with what the majority of town (remember, this is majority lynch) are thinking. I don't want a pardoner who's going to use his power just because he doesn't agree completely with the lynch. He also says he'll try to bring it up early if he wants to use the power, but that doesn't make much sense, since early on, there won't be a majority on someone. Realistically, a clear lynch target will only really appear in the last half of the day. So, overall, I don't think he's a good candidate for pardoner at all. Like I said, I think I'm a good candidate, and out of other people, ET is the best candidate. The office should be made up of myself and ET. Why did you claim like this? My major gripe with what you've said so far, is that it doesn't seem like you're willing to put in the effort on Day 1 to show that you're town. As well, you can't be held accountable for anything you've said until after you get elected. Now you throw in this claim, which also can't be verified until after Day 1. Also, why even claim? Mason is a very strong role, especially in this set-up, because masons are confirmed town to the person they talk to. If you hit a townie with your mason, it would have been great for analysis, and if you hit a blue, then they could instantly role-claim to you and share their actions. That's pretty huge. Instead, you choose to waste the role by claiming on Day 1. Why? Why are you so desperate to get elected as mayor? It's not like a town player is useless after Day 1. At this point, it's starting to look like you're a lyncher or assassin who's going all-in on Day 1 to kill his target with the lynch. Mostly because I think I'm dead by the end of n1 or n2 anyways. About the accountability: Of course I can't. Noone can be held accountable before they get elected... If I were 3rd party or mafia I'd go for the long game as already pointed out: I don't think people are able to read me when I'm mafia so no need to do something like this, which means I want to be mayor because otherwise I'm dead before people listen to me | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 28 2012 04:14 grush57 wrote: We just didn't want to vote you as mayor, I don't even know why a townie should tell his blue role in this in this case. because a townie wants a townie to be elected | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On May 28 2012 03:14 Forumite wrote: It´s the other way around, those running for mayor have allready gotten their roles, and it´s likely that a lyncher has joined them because it´s good for a lyncher to become Mayor and immediately lynch his target, it´s MORE likely that one of the candidates is a lyncher. Yes, but the prominent candidates were very likely to put in campaigns regardless. I'd have been surprised if BH, ET and VE hadn't put in a campaign, while strongandbig and Wiggles aren't even pushing for mayor. I suppose Toad is now a plausible lyncher, as his claim can't be "proved" until day 2. Would be a risky play though. On May 28 2012 03:14 Forumite wrote: The lynchers target is also likely town, because there are more town in the game. Hmm. Lyncher/assassin targets will probably be flavour-related, and I suspect around half the named characters are town. Not sure about a lyncher with a scum target from a balance POV though, so you might be right for other reasons. @Toad: I notice that your correct day 1 reads are all veterans. What do you think of the veterans so far in this game? | ||
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