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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On May 27 2012 17:34 Blazinghand wrote: Honestly it's probably better just to ignore ET on this issue. I don't think communicating with him about it will lead to anything and it will likely just clog up the thread, which isn't good for town. +1 Role Call! Where are MZ, Alderan, Zealos, and Cwave? Post pls ^^ | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 27 2012 17:33 Blazinghand wrote: I'm not complaining to the host. I'm just saying, if he continues to insinuate that I am retarded, I will do so. If you disagree with my position, that is completely fine. If you call me a brat and also think that my language is demeaning and I'm the one causing resentment then I disagree in the strongest possible terms. The rules on the OP clearly state that I am allowed to contact the host: BH, could you please chill, just a bit? Right after ET posts about creating a good town atmosphere, you start spamming. You have some good points, but you are not getting them across if you repeatedly post them in an angry manner, and another page without information will not help us get the lurkers into the game. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On May 27 2012 17:44 Forumite wrote: BH, could you please chill, just a bit? Right after ET posts about creating a good town atmosphere, you start spamming. You have some good points, but you are not getting them across if you repeatedly post them in an angry manner, and another page without information will not help us get the lurkers into the game. What are your thoughts on a D1 Vice-Mayor lynch? Assuming, of course, he can't pardon himself D1. I think removing the Pardoner from the game asap would be good. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
Forumite, it's fine. My opinion on that is that it's candidate dependent, aka if Pardoner's support, or Pardoner himself seems scummy, lynch away. It shouldn't be an autolynch, because it's not as anti-town as say, a suicide vigilante or a CPR doctor. More interesting though, is that in elections, often one of the top3 vote receivers is scum. I remember in TL Mafia L, where Mayor=BC(town), Pardoner=BM(scum). So it's something to consider. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On May 27 2012 17:51 Blazinghand wrote: I was also considering intentionally voting someone into second place in order to lynch them. That could be dangerously difficult to coordinate, though. I am not willing to do that. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On May 27 2012 17:45 Blazinghand wrote: What are your thoughts on a D1 Vice-Mayor lynch? Assuming, of course, he can't pardon himself D1. I think removing the Pardoner from the game asap would be good. I´m against a Vice-Mayor lynch. We are voting the Mayor for his townieness and because he´ll use the lynch and the extra vote well, if we lynch the one behind then either we kill another player who looks like town, or we need to carefully rig the election to get a scummy player elected for Vice-Mayor, which opens up to scum manipulation. Even if scum won´t do anything in order to get a town vice-Mayor elected, they would probably just avoid the whole Mayor-thing and watch us elect and kill town. D1 lynches are hard, but I think leaving it up to the Mayor to lynch gives us a slightly better chance of hitting scum. A Scum Vice-Mayor is only a straight up loss at LYLO anyway, not at MYLO nor earlier in the game, we´ll have time to decide if the player is town or scum before then. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On May 27 2012 17:51 Blazinghand wrote: I was also considering intentionally voting someone into second place in order to lynch them. That could be dangerously difficult to coordinate, though. Hm......... right, put grush (or someone else) into 2nd place, then lynch them. There are very, very few scenarios where a townie holding the pardoner ability is useful. The only ones I can think of are 1. someone is DT and their green check is going to be lynched, and 2. the pardoner is someone like Foolishness, and they are sure they are right vs. the town. However, even those scenarios are not good enough, because 1. Framers 2. Could be wrong lol. Hm..... the secondary candidate would be someone with who looks scummy, so no one should randomly vote them on the basis of "I thought they were more townie than the mayor canidate"! If scum wanted to push them into the mayor position, then they would be outting their team. I could imagine: MAYOR - 18 votes SECOND - 6 votes UNACCOUNTED - 6 votes That is actually feasible, if there is enough consensus that someone is super townie. Thoughts? Specifically, is pardoner ever good from a town perspective, and would you follow a plan like this? Going for real now. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On May 10 2012 01:40 GreYMisT wrote: Elections! This game will have a day 1 election for the office of Leader (Mayor) and Vice-Leader (Pardoner) Leader: Decides the Day 1 lynch and his vote counts for 2 votes. Vice-Leader: Once per game, can nullify a day’s vote, resulting in a no-lynch. All he nullifies is a day's vote, but obviously this doesn't apply to the Day 1 votes since that vote elected him. The Mayor "decides" the Day 1 lynch, but there is no voting to cause it, so there's no way the Vice-Mayor could nullify the D1 lynch, since it's not vote-based. Therefore the Vice-Mayor can be lynched D1. That's just my reading of it though, so we'll have to wait on the host. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
I´m having a hard time thinking of a situation where Pardoner is usefull for town, but even so, I think we gain more from a day of everyone giving their opinions on the election, than we gain from making sure scum don´t get the pardoner position. If we decide now to elect a player, let´s call him S&B just as an example, then the day is basically over, and scum will chill quietly with the lurkers until D2 begin. I think we should keep the discussion going, once people think there is nothing interesting to talk about, then the thread will die. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
we wont lynch this grush guy for nothing. even worthless players can be easy to read. And thus they are worthy lol. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I'm not going to go too deep into my past performance since I've always felt it's a waste of time and doesn't really say anything. It doesn't matter what you've done in past games, it matters what you're doing in this game. But, for those who really want it, I'm a decent enough scum-hunter, I'm town, and I hope I'll be able to demonstrate those to you and get elected. I don't have a kill target right now, but if I'm in line to be elected leader, I will let the town know what I'm thinking with some advance notice, so as not to surprise anyone with my choice for the lynch. I'm going to play out Day 1 as normal, and as soon as I develop a decent scum read, I'll let the town know, and we can discuss it. In the end, I'm hoping we can base the game around actual discussion of scum targets instead of the trend I've seen lately of someone making a case, no one commenting on it, and then people just calling others scum with no reasoning to back it up. If you want to lynch someone, I expect you to actually come up with reasons why it's best to do so, and not just blatant sheeping. As well, if you disagree with a lynch, actually speak up. I don't even care if you're wrong, because the point of discussion is to discard the bad or wrong ideas and move forward with the good ones. If I get elected as Leader and so obtain extra votes, on further days I'll just use them to apply additional pressure to who I want to lynch. I don't want you to sheep me just because I got elected to leader. If you agree with my ideas, great, if you don't then that's good for you, but hopefully you actually discuss why you don't, than turn into a brick wall. However, like I said at the beginning of my post, I'd prefer to actually be elected to the position of vice-leader, since I believe that position can be abused much more by scum being elected to it, and has the potential to generate a ton of confusion. I also don't even trust most townies to it, since lots of people will misuse the role and cause as much confusion as if scum had it. The role of vice-leader is much more powerful than leader, and I believe it's the position we should actually be focusing on today. The leader picks the day 1 lynch, which will hopefully be influenced by town, and after that they only have 1 extra vote. The vice-leader on the other hand, has the ability to waste an entire day, cause an extra round of night actions to go through (which is bad for us in most cases), and also generates lots of confusion. If they use their power in an anti-town way, it means we potentially have to spend two extra days just to lynch the vice-leader and the person we were trying to lynch in the first place. This ties up our primary KP for a long time, and we get the additional WIFOM of if the pardoner pardoned his scum buddy or not, and whether the pardoner is actually scum or just a stupid townie. Basically, the pardon ability causes a ton of trouble that we won't want most of the time. As vice-leader, I promise not to use my power in 99% of cases. Basically, the only exception I can come up with off the top of my head would be a MYLO situation where I was going to be lynched as town, and pardoning myself means we don't auto-lose. Outside of a situation like that though, I really don't see a reason where I would ever want, or need, to use the pardon. So, I want to be elected, because I know my own alignment, and can trust myself not to frivolously use the pardon, or use it against the good of the town. I can't trust others to do that, since I can't know you're not scum, and beyond that, even with a town read, lots of people have the capacity to do something silly because they're convinced that it's a good play. However, this normally results in more bad than good, and in the mislynch of the player who did it, which isn't a desirable outcome. I'm planning to play the same regardless of which position you put me in, or if you elect me at all. However, I believe I can use the Leader position effectively, but would prefer to be able to safekeep the position of Vice-leader, to keep it away from not only scum, but also compulsive townies. I'd like it if you vote for me, but you should also consider a second person you would like to be elected along with me, since for whichever role, we still need to have either a vice-leader or leader to go along with it. Now, as for myself, I'm going to vote in a candidate based on who I think is most likely to be town, who I can trust to be the most transparent with what they're thinking, who has the best reads, and who won't go Rambo at the end of Day 1 and cause a huge mess for Day 2. Those four things are the criteria by which I will determine who I support as the other candidate for office. I'll keep you updated with what I think once most of the candidates come out and make their posts and we get past super early game posting. The pardon question has already been asked and answered: On May 27 2012 11:34 GreYMisT wrote: 1. Yes 2. Yes 3. Not telling you who can fire, But the KP can be roleblocked 4. there is full imidiate alignment reveal 5. Ben is a minor character in an episode Also, it's 3 a.m. here, so I'm going to bed now. However, Blazinghand, do you actually think it's the best day 1 play to just lynch someone you think is bad rather than someone you think is scum? Maybe if you had no scum reads by the end of Day 1, but you make it sound like you'll go through with it regardless... | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3575 Posts
Let's all try and chill, and play nice together, because arguing is not finding scum. Also, in a game this big, can we try to keep posting concise and simple, so the pages don't get into their thousands. I'm currently happy with an ET mayor. From what I know of him, he may not be the best townie in TL, but he's consistent and seems to do a good job of staying cool and hunting scum. I'm on the "Pardoner is bad" boat too, but I'm not sure the best way to deal with it at the moment, but I'm open to ideas. Not starting looking for scum yet, but as a start. @Blazinghand: Do you think you've been helpful so far this game? @ET: Who would you vote for Mayor if not yourself? @Mattchew: Do you think the arguments going on are indicative of people being scum, or is it a case of frustrated egos? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On May 27 2012 18:21 supersoft wrote: bh looks superbad on my paper right now. only blabla, excuses and a bad day1 plan. we wont lynch this grush guy for nothing. even worthless players can be easy to read. And thus they are worthy lol. Check his LIV filter and tell me how legible you find him. On May 27 2012 18:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Also, it's 3 a.m. here, so I'm going to bed now. However, Blazinghand, do you actually think it's the best day 1 play to just lynch someone you think is bad rather than someone you think is scum? Maybe if you had no scum reads by the end of Day 1, but you make it sound like you'll go through with it regardless... Honestly, if I were elected right now, I'd lynch Grush57, and I'd cackle maniacally while doing so. There's always the possibility he'll do something to convince me he's town between now and election time, but he probably won't so I'll lynch him. If I get elected and I think Grush57 is town AND he won't utterly destroy all the following day's discussions with his play, I'll lynch whoever I think is scum. If he's scummy in my opinion, I'll lynch the vice-mayor (if he can't pardon himself) because the pardoner ability can't really help town. In fact, as a caveat to anyone who wants to elect me: I'll throw any campaign promise out the door the instant I think I can do something that is more helpful to town. I currently want to lynch Grush57, but if an opportunity presents itself that I think will help town more, I will take that opportunity. On May 27 2012 18:28 Zealos wrote: @Blazinghand: Do you think you've been helpful so far this game? I put some pressure on SnB, but other than that I basically let ET provoke me into taking a dump on the thread, which was a mistake. I think my discussions of possibly lynching the pardonery has been helpful. I have no doubt I will be helpful going forwards. Do you think you've been helpful so far this game? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On May 27 2012 18:11 Forumite wrote: I read "nullify a lynch, resulting in an no-lynch" as working for the D1-lynch too. That was in the day post, right? The rules post says On May 10 2012 01:40 GreYMisT wrote: Vice-Leader: Once per game, can nullify a day’s vote, resulting in a no-lynch. Which wouldn't work for the D1-lynch since it's not vote-based. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On May 27 2012 18:28 Zealos wrote: Hi guys, I'm a vanilla townie, and I'm gonna try not to get too emotionally attached when I play this game, to avoid cluttering. Let's all try and chill, and play nice together, because arguing is not finding scum. Also, in a game this big, can we try to keep posting concise and simple, so the pages don't get into their thousands. I'm currently happy with an ET mayor. From what I know of him, he may not be the best townie in TL, but he's consistent and seems to do a good job of staying cool and hunting scum. I'm on the "Pardoner is bad" boat too, but I'm not sure the best way to deal with it at the moment, but I'm open to ideas. Not starting looking for scum yet, but as a start. @Blazinghand: Do you think you've been helpful so far this game? @ET: Who would you vote for Mayor if not yourself? @Mattchew: Do you think the arguments going on are indicative of people being scum, or is it a case of frustrated egos? why do you claim right now? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
It's very odd to claim VT, given that if mafia is shooting for blues, they know they don't need to shoot you. I can't imagine a town motivation for claiming VT for no reason like that. | ||
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