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Wtf this filled up so fast =/ | ||
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Obs Qt please in that case ^^ | ||
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After having read through the thread I fully agree with the plans proposed by Toad and Qatol so far. CPR is definately a really powerful role and keeping it accountable should be a top pirority. Same goes for Janitor. Is there a reason why we arent carrying this out for roles such as roleblocker too? Echoing Toad I find it highly unlikely that a town RB will be of much use considering the probable high density of blues, and that a scum RB will be very useful later on, especially when claims start rolling in. I also dont really see how GF is as powerful as sandroba says that he wants the first person to take it. Theres only 1 alignment cop (parity cop) which makes the check immunity power rarely come into play anyway, and the vengeful part doesnt seem that powerful as its simply a 1 for 1 (always good for town) and it applies only on a lynch - considering the amount of KP roles its highly likely a decent portion of scum are going to die to something other than the lynch anyway. | ||
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On May 15 2012 20:12 Palmar wrote: Hi guys :D After not having read through the thread I don't agree with the plans proposed by Toad and Qatol so far. CPR is definitely a really powerful role and keeping it accountable should be a top pirority. Same goes for Janitor. Is there a reason why we arent carrying this out for roles such as roleblocker too? Unlike Toad I find it highly likely that a town RB will be of much use considering the probable high density of blues on the scum team, but a scum RB will be very useful despite no one being dumb enough to claim randomly. I also dont really see how GF is as powerful as sandroba says that he wants the first person to take it. Theres only 1 alignment cop (parity cop) which makes the check immunity power rarely come into play anyway, and the vengeful part doesnt seem that powerful as its simply a 1 for 1 (always good for town) and it applies only on a lynch - considering the amount of KP roles its highly likely a decent portion of scum are going to die to something other than the lynch anyway. Wut? | ||
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On May 15 2012 20:58 Bluelightz wrote: Hmm, going to share some ideas i guess, and opinions. First, on how CPR Doctor is powerful, I agree it is powerful, it is a danger to town while scum may use this to make it seem that they are helping with the usage of their power, they may just randomly kill townies. I have a role-cop centered plan, where we designate each draft number with a role, then the rolecop claims day 1 and we should all protect him, the rolecop will check numbers 1->20 or just randomly I guess to confirm people, town would most likely agree to his and scum would be forced to comply or risk being checked as an anomaly (different then others). Though, the weakness of my plan is apparent though, that scum will try and kill our important roles (DT, Doctor, etc), but the benefit is that most likely we will have 15 blues. Any opinions on this plan are welcome. These are roles that we should worry about, bar CPR & Janitor as we have already discussed that. Angry Vigilante - This shit should be town or not we're gonna see many vets dying fast. Traitor - This shit seems that it will make us lose one more potential blue, as an added to my above plan, we should avoid having a traitor so that we will have the maximum amount of townies. Pardoner - Smart town players should get this, because if scum get a Pardoner they might make for example a scum lynch be blocked for a day. Politician - Makes lylo 1 day faster, SK's probably will get this as this makes their wincon easier but w/e. Any questions? feel free to ask if you have one. What if scum just shoots the rolecop night 1? There are 20 people, I highly doubt rolecop will be able to check more than 3 people before dying. Especially if you intend to run it from 1 > 20 scum wont even care about the rolecop after the first few players. I dont agree with this plan. | ||
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Pardoner cant pardon himself I think. | ||
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Also rolecop is definately useful for town. Hey Toad why are you explaining risk's actions for him? You just gave him the perfect excuse if he was scum and trying out a plan. Sure we might have a rolecop to confirm things, but theres always the chance mafia could pick it up. | ||
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On May 16 2012 21:21 zelblade wrote: I personally feel that we shouldnt be talking about scum reads, not at this point when roles are not yet confirmed. Doing so may influence a heavily scrutinized scum player to pick up something like GF giving them a free kill if they get lynched. Also rolecop is definately useful for town. Hey Toad why are you explaining risk's actions for him? You just gave him the perfect excuse if he was scum and trying out a plan. Sure we might have a rolecop to confirm things, but theres always the chance mafia could pick it up. EBWOP: Made an error | ||
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Why do you want us to reveal what roles we would like to be taken for sure? All this does is give a decent amount of information for scum considering how most people would probably pick what they feel is best - AKA what they reveal in the thread to be the best for town. This seems like its going to give mafia a rough idea of what people are going to pick, allowing them to not only snipe important roles but also discourages town from selecting stronger roles in fear of clashes. For instance, if Sentinel states that he thinks, say, medic and JOAT are important roles, scum will know that he is probably going to pick either. This not only discourages town from picking one of these really useful roles up (since they think that sentinel probably is selecting one and dont want to become a VT) but also lets scum know that he is, more likely than not, one of these roles. | ||
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Since you agree Janitor is dangerous when in scum hands just follow the plan and take it -_- I really do not see the problem here Also, what do you think about Qatol's plans for where our discussion efforts should go to today? | ||
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So risk, why do you think that discussing scumreads at this point is a good idea, when doing so may potentially affect the roles scum pick? Why dont we wait till day 1 starts for this? Also something about my schedule is that on weekdays I can only be on a computer till midnight HKT, and at most take a quick look/post a few short posts on my phone in the morning before the deadline. One last thing why have people started claiming even though Qatol himself has stated that he wants opinions on the plan itself before putting it in action? | ||
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Anyway, moving on, Janitor needs to claim. I am relatively sure there has been some shenanigans occuring at the top. Qatol's case on Paqman is interesting. To be honest - I think that paqman's reasonings for his posting are actually pretty decent. I can understand what he means by not being able to contribute much due to fact that plans were discussed during his absense - this is actually similar for me - I was in school for most of the draft phase, and by the time I got back there wasnt much to do other than give opinions on the plan. | ||
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I'm a vt and didn't choose dayvig. | ||
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Sentinel claims to have followed the plan of picking up janitor, and claimed that he didnt get it. If his claim is believable that would mean that one of marv/risk is janitor. I personally trust sentinel's claim due to the fact that its dumb as fuck as scum - why even agree to the improvised town plan when it was proposed that he take janitor too? If I was him I would have just fake afked till the end of the pick phase and say "opps some shit happened sorry" and not be a part of this mess. Thus hes probably town or a really dumb mafia who can write a book on "how to get caught in a lie as scum 101". Since I feel sentinel is town, that leaves risk and marvellosity. Risk claims to have never followed the town plan. However, the primary thing is this - he himself agrees that janitor is a extremely powerful role in scum hands... in that case, why doesnt he, given the chance to, follow the town plan and save town a whole bunch of trouble worrying about possible hidden flips? This feels extremely off to me which is definately an area of suspision. Janitor is a dead role for scum in this particular game since it cannot be used without asking for death if the plan was followed. However, if town does not know where exactly the janitor is it becomes extremely powerful simply due to the threat it gives - just look at today. I believe he pulled off this gambit seeking to both deny positions 3 and 4 strong roles, whilst giving his teammates lower in the draft a higher chance to get good picks. Marvellosity too has decided to not follow the plan, and decided to pick another role whilst claiming to follow the plan. This move is stupid as hell if townie and extremely useful as scum. Scum doesnt want to get stuck with a useless VT, and marv's given excuse is pretty much one that both town and scum can use. Problem is, I generally feel stronger regarding my scum read on risk, which is why im going to vote for him. ##vote: risk.nuke Also role claims will help. I probably could help with verifying a couple of things since I know one of the roles in the positions 2 - 4 (aka I can "confirm" one of the roles taken) | ||
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Also Palmar please dont use the pardoner power especially today. Whilst it possible the situation gets handled at night I dont want the flips to get covered assuming that janitor is in the game, and if all 3 are left alive the same shit will happen tomorrow. | ||
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On May 19 2012 01:21 marvellosity wrote: you like to talk huh zel? A little hyprotical considering how all you have done is: 1) Manage to screw the plan, resulting in this complete mess 2) Spam a ton of one-liners | ||
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Because I highly doubt so. | ||
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Also Palmar what do you think about the people who have tried to push a sentinel lynch on the basis that he is (supposedly) vanilla and thus is "worth less" than a potential power role? | ||
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I picked JOAT | ||
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I need to catch up, give me a few minutes | ||
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Anyway I still think sentinel is town since I just cant wrap my head around a mafia being so dumb. Traitor seems like a plausible explanation, except that the fact that there is a JOAT in 2-4 makes it make no sense. Bleh lynch is locked anyway. | ||
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And screw him for stealing my JOAT Fully agree that risk shouldnt shoot, though he most likely is going to shoot anyway from what I can see from his play so far. Jailing him would be an excellent idea. | ||
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I agree now is not the time of course, lets do it tomorrow if we want to. Also @risk Angry vig cant shoot n1. | ||
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On May 20 2012 21:34 risk.nuke wrote: No daypost still? I'm shooting PaqMan. Im assuming he did since anyone else shooting Paq makes no sense (Mafia wont shoot mafia, SK probably shooting into town due to obvious reasons, no reason for a town copycat to not claim, Jack dead, angry vig cant shoot) Also, since we do get informed if we get hit and survive this problem can be easily cleared up by whoever got shot last night claiming. And I would also love to know why your partner tried going for politician, though this probably isnt something important that warrants discussion now. Im assuming hes relatively low in the draft? If not we probably could narrow down the list of potential SK candidates. | ||
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Assuming roleblocks carry off into the day, a town roleblocker (who may have taken the role to deny it off scum) could have roleblocked Palmar just in case he decided to do anything with his pardon. @Barundar How does having your name thrown around (aka people voicing their suspicions on you) make you less likely to contribute? | ||
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On May 21 2012 21:44 marvellosity wrote: There remains the fact that Toad claimed VT -> mason pick. Not sure how convincing this is, but it should be a plus point for him. Although I didn't buy in to Qatol's "helped confirmed marv's claim when he desperately needed it" - actually I was under pretty much zero suspicion and people were believing my claim anyway. I agree it is more of a null tell than anything. Considering that sandroba already claimed before the end of the draft phase that he himself was going to pick mason, its highly possible that a scum toad weighed in that sandroba was more likely than not going to confirm your claim since he had no reason to lie about his pick and thus decided to buy some cred off the situation. | ||
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Now to the more important stuff. On May 22 2012 06:37 hiro protagonist wrote: His actions. He soft defends PacMan. Scolds you for not following the plan (just like decondo). His post dont contribute much, and in fact, try to blend in. Ill write up a full case come morning if need be, but people should go read his filter and draw there own conclusions. So you think im scum based off a few weak points. First off, you mention that I defended Paqman. What you dont mention is that I did this near the start of D1, wherein I felt that there was a reasonable explanation of a town Paqman, since I could symphatise with how he mentioned that he didnt contribute much to the plans due to the fact that the plans were already pretty much set when he entered the thread - something similar happened for me, not being able to access the thread till very late in the drafting phase. I never mentioned paqman again in the thread for the primary reason of day 1 being occupied with sentinel, and I didnt find it neccessary to reveal my reads during the night. Also, what the hell do you mean by a "soft" defense? Do you really want me to come out guns blazing and say that Paq is confirmed town D1 based on things that I werent certain of? Qatol's case was an excellent way to apply pressure, why would I bother giving Paq any more help? I was simply stating my thoughts on what I felt was going to be a townie lynch, how is that scummy? Have you never had a wrong read D1? You say I "scold" risk for not following the plan, and reference that I did something similar to decondo. The reason for "scolding" (I dont even know why you call it that when it was just a plea to ask him to follow the damm plan) was because I wanted janitor to be accountable, and felt his actions were really retarded if they were townie at that point in time, since he had the potential to cause a chaotic day 1 which might not have ended so well - (read: if sentinel simply claimed he didnt take janitor). Off you go to write your full case. Anyway, speaking of this, I find the way Hiro calls me out to be extermely suspicious. Im just rehashing a couple of Qatol's points - but why have you been lurking so actively? You say that your activity levels flactuate, but looking at the timestamps clearly indicate that you came out of lurking around 15 minutes after Qatol called you out. Coincidence? I think not. The way that you write suspicions on me are also suspect. You take a old post of mine compared to a recent one of yours and say that it is why I am a better shot and frankly thats complete bullshit as Qatol mentioned due to the time difference between them. Not to mention that your suspicions on me makes me feel that you are using said suspisions as a way to draw heat off yourself and onto me. And of course mafia can claim JOAT - but why do so, and a townie that actually picked it and failed (read:me) will do so too. I dont see your point here I would be rather happy to lynch him right now, though if we are putting the roleclaim plan into effect I am more than willing to wait a little to see what comes out of it. | ||
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The zeph hit last night seems plausible considering he looked pretty townie after that outburst. He has not exactly done much though, and feels like a wierd shot. Going to assume tails saved him since him getting medic'd makes little sense when there are so many better prots. Anyway, if we are going to follow Qatol's version of the roleclaim plan, I suggest we each lay out a few options on who we consider suspect. Doing so will allow us to decide who we feel need to claim first. Alternatively we could just get someone highly trusted to make the list (Qatol most likely). Thoughts? | ||
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btw risk im assuming you didnt shoot last night. Why did you ask Qatol to jail you? | ||
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What do you guys think about a massclaim? | ||
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On May 19 2012 14:51 talismania wrote: deconduo [1,1] - Mafia CPR doc (DayVigged by Mattchew) risk.nuke [4,2] - Vigilante marvellosity [7,2] - Mason [UoN]Sentinel [9,1] - Mafia Jack of All Trades (Lynched Day One) Mattchew [11,x] - Day Vigilante zelblade [12,x] - Vanilla Townie (Picked JoAT) Bluelightz [13,x] - Town Rolecop talismania [15,1] - Town Witch Misder [2,2] PaqMan [2,2] - Vanilla Mafia (Picked ???) slOosh [10,x] Toadesstern [10,10] - Vanilla Townie (Picked Mason) Barundar [3,1] Zephirdd [3,2] - Vanilla Townie (Picked Politician) hiro protagonist [3,x] Palmar [5,1] - Pardoner Snarfs [5,1] Qatol [5,1] - Jailkeeper sandroba [5,1] - Vanilla Townie (Picked Mason) Probulous - Vanilla Townie (Modkilled) Assuming that we believe zeph's claim, this narrows down the SK to misder, sloosh, toad, and barundar. Since toad has already claimed VT I suggest we get the remaining three to claim for now. Marv can you get your townie to claim? Especially if it narrows it down further. | ||
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Everyone else in the upper portion of the draft (except myself I guess, if you feel im a possible SK) has either proven their role (risk, matt, marv once he claims his townie) or has flipped. Since it makes no sense for a townie who went with a politician pick and got it to not claim about it at this stage after marv informed us that a SK poltician is very likely to be in the game, I am relatively certain we can rule out anyone with any other role out for now. I highly doubt that toad is SK though - the timing of his claim of VT makes little sense for a SK politician. Of course, zeph could be the SK and is taking a gambit. Thats a possibility, though I kinda doubt it. | ||
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Anyway, Barundar, if you say hiro is lying, who do you think has the politician role? ##vote: Barundar | ||
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Which means if we go by the assumption that hiro isnt making a (really bad) gambit barundar is the SK. | ||
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1) Theres a really really dumb townie who decided not to claim getting politician. 2) Zeph decieded to lie for no reason about his pick at a point he didnt need to. So unless you think zeph is scum and has decided to suicide, barundar is most likely the sk here. Even if im wrong (which I dont think I am) we could just lynch hiro tomorrow who would be confirmed SK and zeph who would be confirmed scum and win the game. | ||
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And we are lynching SK now because we caught him with his pants down so to speak. | ||
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On May 23 2012 21:20 marvellosity wrote: I still want to know why you said we should be instalynching Politicians. Because any townie that doesnt claim they took the goddammed role (and got it) after all this crap is dumb as fuck, and I would like to think that this isnt the case | ||
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First you claim that snarfs took politician and didnt get it, and we assume that the SK took politician. Qatol proceeds to ask any town politician to claim if they got the role for obvious reasons. I see 0 reason for a townie politician to not claim at this point because it isnt even a strong role. Which means that a politician is in the game, and if he didnt claim, that would mean that the politician isnt town (unless he isnt very smart). The primary purpose of this entire roleclaim was to flush out the politician in the first place. Which is why we are auto-lynching the politician, because it is extremely likely whoever has the politician role is the SK. | ||
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 ), that means we have a liar in either misder or risk.nuke, or there could be a traitor abound, since thats the only role with roleblock left in the game. If there is a traitor we can expect risk to claim roleblock. Let's hear what risk has to say before jumping to conclusions I guess.Either way we lynch Barundar today for obvious reasons. ##vote: Barundar | ||
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That probably means that we have a traitor somewhere in the list. Well he cant do much at this point considering how a rolecop is absolutely useless except for lucking out into a fakeclaiming mafia, talk gets him lynched instantly unless he lucks out into a mafia again. The only problem is that he might have used his frame ability on Palmar or Tails n1/2, which would be problematic. Unlikely since that would require quite a lot of luck, but something to consider. The possible candidates for mafia/traitor are Misder, Toad, Zeph and Sandroba. Include myself if you so incline but I know im green so ill exclude me, and Palmar if you feel that its possible he got framed. Leaving him out for now as it is, as said, really unlikely. I shall be reading through the thread to come to some conclusions. @Matt I dont think traitors have to be dead for town to win. | ||
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On May 26 2012 01:16 Mattchew wrote: ##vote barundar I was trying to figure out if he coulda been the traitor and we had to lynch him... since we do he's obvi vote today Dude hes the SK (most likely) I will post my thoughts on who the last scum and the traitor are tomorrow. Its late and I dont feel like typing out a long post now. | ||
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On May 26 2012 02:18 Snarfs wrote: How about a preview so we have something to discuss? Misder probably town. Only scineario where I would consider him not town was if he was traitor and last scum is RB. Unlikely. I dont think Palmar or sandroba would take traitor because they dont seem to like playing scum and are much better at scum. Palmar is thus prolly green due to check. Sandroba possibly scum, didnt like what he was trying to do D1 with pushing marv. Agreed with you on Toad. Unsure on zeph as it is very risky to claim politician > VT like that if traitor/scum. Need to sleep on it. | ||
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Palmar has a green check on him. Possibly framed, but thats still quite unlikely so we leave him out of the lynch list for now. It looks like hes about to be modkilled anyway. Which leaves us with misder, sandroba and toad. I am relatively sure the last scum lies within either toad or sandroba, though I have yet to decide which. Leaning toad at the moment. Busy today, I will make a decision when I get back to the thread tomorrow. | ||
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I will respond more in the afternoon, have school now. | ||
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As you said there was no point in me revealing this piece of information and fucking sent over if i was scum. Anyway the reason why I didnt change my vote was simple. I overslept, and was supposed to wake up 2 hours before the deadline instead of like 20 minutes before it with quite a few pages to read. Primary reason I didnt switch my vote was that the lynch had already been decided, and that there was 11 people on sent, which meant that politician wouldnt have been a problem. Think about it. If I was scum and managed to accidentally bus my scumbuddy as you put it, wouldnt I just dump my vote on him anyway to look more townie from the flip....? (and scum didnt get politician). I "soft-defended" Paq because I didnt feel that he was scum at that point in time. The 2nd post was me finding Toad giving up on his opinions so early and deciding to just sheep pretty dammed wierd. Also snarfs saying that I could be a scum copycat is plain ridiculous. There is literally no point for any scum to save KP every night just to try and pull off a ninga win -_- As said, sandroba is more likely than not the last scum. Just cant see anyone else flipping scum apart from him at this point. ##vote: sandroba | ||
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I am fucking confused. Guess NL would be our best move here... ##vote: No-lynch | ||
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As said, I am pretty shocked that sandroba was not the last scum. Was relatively sure that the last scum was within toad and sandroba, which also happens to be why I wasnt actually doing much these past couple of days - I assumed that we won already. I have responded to the cases made against me, and I have given my reasons for all my actions thus far. Do you really think I would decide to fuck over sentinel D1 in exchange for getting some free cred (and I didnt even vote him so it wasnt even a full bus) which wouldnt have lasted long, sacrificing 1 extra KP n1? So who is the last scum? Just finished doing a reread and here are my conclusions: | ||
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Misder picked up roleblocker. At first, I did state that misder was probably town, primilarly due to the fact that his roleblocks didnt fit a mafia agenda. Well after reconsidering stuff it is possible that he did those to look townie since all his scumbuddies were dead anyway and doing so would allow for a safe roleclaim. Looking at his filter I dont really think he is scum though. Which leads me to believe that the last scum is marvellosity. I find it extremely wierd that he took the mason role at spot 3. I believe that he did so in order to deny sandroba mason. Sandroba happens to be a vet, and the mason role in his hands, which I speculate would have been used by him to get into contact with one his stronger town reads (probably Qatol) would probably be extremely dangerous for scum. Not only that, doing so would allow him to get into a decent position, primilarly due to the fact that whoever he got masoned with would be inclined to think that he was town. I dont think picking a scumbuddy would be a good move for mason, since there would be a lot of explanation to do when the partner flipped. Looking through what happened D1, one would notice that marv manages to escape a lot of the attention despite being part of the situation then. Anyways, I believe marv. Because there is literally no explanation why he would claim mason of all roles as scum. Which makes it risk.nuke's turn to get up on the noose. Take the FoS off Qatol and replace it with Sent and Risk. I haven't read into Marv yet but as of now I'd like to keep the lynch candidates between those two. But this time I feel risk is a lot scummier than sent. Quotes from sentinel and Paqman D1 (flipped scum). You would notice here that both of them are attempting to push along the risk wagon, whilst at the same time removing doubt from marv. I find how marv managed to escape most of the attention D1 despite not following the plan too. As I stated earlier, I found marv's action to not follow the plan despite saying that he would extremely scummy as well, simply due to the fact that it was the optimal move for scum as janitor would be a dead role. I think that marv is the last scum. I would be fine with lynching him today, though I wouldnt mind a no-lynch either. | ||
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On June 05 2012 06:36 Misder wrote: zelblade- Why did you leave your vote on risk.nuke day 1? Why did you claim JOAT so late/without crumbing? Is there anything else besides shooting deconduo that makes him town? marvellosity- Why did that post of zelbade confirm himself as scum? Mattchew- Why were you accusing people of being scum without any backup? ##Vote: No lynch When I came back there were 11 votes on risk, which was majority + 1, which also meant that the lynch was already decieded at that point in time. I was going to claim Joat earlier (like when the claims started coming in) but I fell asleep (was really late (~2am) at that time and managed to wake up late because I didnt set my alarm. Didnt think about crumbing it. and even if I did it wouldnt have made much of a difference since scum could do that too. Regarding mattchew, his filter isnt exactly stellar. It is entirely possible he decided to just shoot his scumbuddy in the face d1 or his team derped and didnt take copycat when they planned to, but that is exteremly unlikely imo. @Marv I am relatively sure the primary reason snarfs didnt mention you was because he knew your role. So I dont get why you are using him as an example. Either way the way the day progressed was simple. Snarfs asked who got janitor, I mention that there is something wierd going on up in the top 4. Sent claims that he "did not get janitor", and Snarfs votes sent. He does not consider you as a possibility simply because you are his mason buddy and we were janitor hunting. Traitor zeph dumps his vote onto risk, and sent comes back to post this On May 18 2012 04:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Sorry bout that, was in school. Anyways. I am Vanilla Town and not Janitor. So I'm claiming either risk or marvel is the janitor. And I don't trust risk. Because risk does not like the plan. Naturally this triggers a reaction from risk, who proceeds to vote him. Simply put, a combanation of snarfs being your buddy and heavily pushing the lynch in sent's direction, combined with sent claiming that you were a less likely possibility, made it such that you were pretty much removed from people's thought processes. And no Qatol didnt protect you continously, his primary reason for voting sentinel was that it was the best move. Yes I agree. While I still think that PaqMan is our best lynch target, it's clear that he won't be getting lynched this cycle. Any further pushing I do on the subject will just further splinter the town and make a no lynch/mislynch more likely. I'll have to look at filters and histories more carefully for risk.nuke, marvellosity, and Sentinel before I make a final decision, but I'll make a few observations: 1. Unless we lynch Sentinel, we don't even know for sure that the Janitor role is among the first 3 players at all. For all we know, the first 2 players took something else and Sentinel is mafia and just lying. Sentinel is also, like Snarfs mentioned, the one of the three who is claiming not to have a role. If we assume 2 townies and 1 scum (if there were 2 scum, I can't imagine that they wouldn't just have one member claim the role to avoid giving the town incredible odds of destroying their team), that means that at least 1 of the townies has a role which is probably pretty good considering where they're picking. 2. I could definitely see risk.nuke acting like this as a townie. Notice that he wanted to post his numbers so nobody else would pick them before the game even started and posted them immediately when the game did start. This shows that he's impulsive and rather selfish in his actions. He's also the only one of the three who said he wouldn't be picking Janitor or CPR before the drafting phase ended. I'll do a more in depth analysis tomorrow, but for now, logic say vote Sentinel, so I'll preliminarily vote for him. ##Unvote: PaqMan ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel The fact that he doesnt even mention you proves my point. | ||
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The votes arent decided yet, but at this point seems like scum is going to win =/ | ||
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And isnt the deadline tomorrow | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + jk but I highly doubt that those are ALL the logs you have. Afraid to post them? I also find it extemely ironic that you blame risk for day 1 when you clearly helped to cause it too. I honestly do not believe that a town you would think that picking mason, especially when sandroba was asking for it. Simply wifoming about your pick doesnt cut it, and I am relatively sure you know that. There were two reasons why you werent a viable option for day 1 in the thread. Snarfs was the one most actively pushing shit d1, and since he knew you couldnt be janitor he removed you from the possibilites, which was one reason. And the other was that sent decided to push risk, and paq did the same. The question here is, why would they do that? A no-lynch D1 would have been optimal for scum, and pushing different targerts would actually best achieve that. I find it highly suspect that that didnt even occur, and that they completely ignored you even before your mason claim. Well Misder its up to you to decide I guess. Look at where Mattchew was leaning before he died. ##vote: marvellosity | ||
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So why dont you post all your logs? Oh he did vote for me, but he was clearly changing his mind. Wifom, sure, but why would I shoot him when it looked like he was changing his mind and misder was leaning on voting me? The way you are misrepresenting the case is pretty hilarious. No it isnt on you being too townie, rather the fact that scum completely and totally ignored you when pushing you before the lynch became risk v sent. Sandroba did say I was most likely the last scum, yes, but he was wrong, and you were a possibility to him too. Snarfs probably wouldnt think that you were mafia by vitrue of the fact that he was your mason partner. I would also freely admit that I didnt think that you could be scum and was sure that one of sand/toad was the last scum. Well played fooling us. It pretty much boils down to this. Which is more likely - A scum zel managing to pull off the most fail bus in tl mafia history, or scum deciding to protect their scumbuddy marv who was in a safe position, setting him up for the late game? | ||
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Scum had everything to gain from pushing you. More people doubting you = less people on sent = higher chance for a NL. Its alot easier to convince someone you are town when you can communicate privately no? I also STILL dont get why you dont want to post your logs. | ||
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Could I have th obs qt? Interested in seeing the number of people calling for my head | ||
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The original plan was to surrender once sk died but after zeph rb'd risk and palmar looked like he was getting modkilled decided to just give it a go. Outing sentinel wasn't intentional I didn't think that he was going to claim he took janitor. And if you look closely snarfs was the one who instigated and pushed the who is janitor thing, and I felt that it was somewhat likely that claims would have gone out either way and wasting a day to get some attention off paqman wasn't a bad idea =/ The mass claim wasnt a good plan for town, but It was difficult to know at that time considering that no one thought I was scum yet. I needed to find bullet bill and cop ASAP because the number of confIrmed innocents was getting way too high and I couldn't afford any more. Guess it did catch sk and zeph though. | ||
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On June 07 2012 13:42 talismania wrote: Yeah no one realized that you didn't intend to out sentinel. You didn't even comment on the situation until I forced you to, after I caught you out for your "there has been some shenanigans in the top three" statement. And then you didn't claim your pick until after the lynch was settled. People just forgot this later in the game :-( Zephirdd I can't believe I saved you! I thought there was no way that two scum would be dying N1. Bah. Also chaoser didn't tell me I was dying, hence the fact that I didn't reveal I was the witch and all that. Anyway, it was a fun D0 - D1 at least! Well my intention was to claim what marv did a lot earlier but I kinda fell asleep (wasn't lying about that -_-) people really gave me way too much cred for that. Also shooting my traitor was all planned to give him cred but he didn't play it correctly  . All planned  | ||
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On June 07 2012 18:01 deconduo wrote: I've no idea how we won this after such a disastrous start. WP Zelblade Tons of luck from random traitor roleblock, green check getting modkilled, townie not turning up at lylo lol. Invite to ptp for carrying you? | ||
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On June 07 2012 20:32 Palmar wrote: out of curiosity, with town having a roleblocker remaining why was the game ended? Do roleblocks not stop the mafia factional kills or something? Misder could have RB'd one of the guys. RB doesnt stop mafia or sk kill. I wouldnt mind terribly if this turned into a town win since scum team didnt exactly play too well lol | ||
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On June 07 2012 22:49 strongandbig wrote: Wow... I just want to say that this game has been amazing to watch. I do think that zelblade would have been lynched and town would have won, but I would be super frustrated if I'd been playing (ie, see the holy roman thread - this endgame seems similar to that one.) But just in terms of weird, weird actions, this game has been awesome. I can't believe that mattchew's instavig hit scum. I guess it was more likely than Drazerk's, but still... Zelblade, I have to say you had me wondering for a minute if Marv was actually some kind of scum super mastermind, but then I came to my senses. Still, it was a very nice try at the end. Well I was grasping at straws to be honest. Not much to attack | ||
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Parity cop was more dangerous n3 to me because more confirmed town = gg. I shot you n4 so stop complaining :D | ||
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On June 08 2012 19:30 Barundar wrote: Really well done by town, town atmosphere was good and there was some good role picks as well. Mafia had 2 vanilla, town had 3. Personally I regret not saving Sentinel day 1 with politician power, but I wanted to keep the role a secret. Turned out Snarf not only confirmed it was in the game, he was also confirmed town, bah ^.^. I'm a little dissapointed how the activity fell after the key townies died, but I guess mafia needed all the inactivity help they could get. @qatol I didn't shoot you because I didn't feel like I was in danger from you, and you where more mafia's problem. So I focused on sniping blues the first few days (sadly mafia did same), and by the time doctor was dead I was already doomed and just shot the confirmed town. I guess emotionaly I didn't want to shoot you for standing up to sandroba either. GG everyone, thanks for hostig guys <3 Aw we stacked bluelightz by accident | ||
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On a side note I still havent been lynched before :D | ||
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