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Wtf this filled up so fast =/ | ||
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Obs Qt please in that case ^^ | ||
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After having read through the thread I fully agree with the plans proposed by Toad and Qatol so far. CPR is definately a really powerful role and keeping it accountable should be a top pirority. Same goes for Janitor. Is there a reason why we arent carrying this out for roles such as roleblocker too? Echoing Toad I find it highly unlikely that a town RB will be of much use considering the probable high density of blues, and that a scum RB will be very useful later on, especially when claims start rolling in. I also dont really see how GF is as powerful as sandroba says that he wants the first person to take it. Theres only 1 alignment cop (parity cop) which makes the check immunity power rarely come into play anyway, and the vengeful part doesnt seem that powerful as its simply a 1 for 1 (always good for town) and it applies only on a lynch - considering the amount of KP roles its highly likely a decent portion of scum are going to die to something other than the lynch anyway. | ||
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On May 15 2012 20:12 Palmar wrote: Hi guys :D After not having read through the thread I don't agree with the plans proposed by Toad and Qatol so far. CPR is definitely a really powerful role and keeping it accountable should be a top pirority. Same goes for Janitor. Is there a reason why we arent carrying this out for roles such as roleblocker too? Unlike Toad I find it highly likely that a town RB will be of much use considering the probable high density of blues on the scum team, but a scum RB will be very useful despite no one being dumb enough to claim randomly. I also dont really see how GF is as powerful as sandroba says that he wants the first person to take it. Theres only 1 alignment cop (parity cop) which makes the check immunity power rarely come into play anyway, and the vengeful part doesnt seem that powerful as its simply a 1 for 1 (always good for town) and it applies only on a lynch - considering the amount of KP roles its highly likely a decent portion of scum are going to die to something other than the lynch anyway. Wut? | ||
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On May 15 2012 20:58 Bluelightz wrote: Hmm, going to share some ideas i guess, and opinions. First, on how CPR Doctor is powerful, I agree it is powerful, it is a danger to town while scum may use this to make it seem that they are helping with the usage of their power, they may just randomly kill townies. I have a role-cop centered plan, where we designate each draft number with a role, then the rolecop claims day 1 and we should all protect him, the rolecop will check numbers 1->20 or just randomly I guess to confirm people, town would most likely agree to his and scum would be forced to comply or risk being checked as an anomaly (different then others). Though, the weakness of my plan is apparent though, that scum will try and kill our important roles (DT, Doctor, etc), but the benefit is that most likely we will have 15 blues. Any opinions on this plan are welcome. These are roles that we should worry about, bar CPR & Janitor as we have already discussed that. Angry Vigilante - This shit should be town or not we're gonna see many vets dying fast. Traitor - This shit seems that it will make us lose one more potential blue, as an added to my above plan, we should avoid having a traitor so that we will have the maximum amount of townies. Pardoner - Smart town players should get this, because if scum get a Pardoner they might make for example a scum lynch be blocked for a day. Politician - Makes lylo 1 day faster, SK's probably will get this as this makes their wincon easier but w/e. Any questions? feel free to ask if you have one. What if scum just shoots the rolecop night 1? There are 20 people, I highly doubt rolecop will be able to check more than 3 people before dying. Especially if you intend to run it from 1 > 20 scum wont even care about the rolecop after the first few players. I dont agree with this plan. | ||
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Pardoner cant pardon himself I think. | ||
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Also rolecop is definately useful for town. Hey Toad why are you explaining risk's actions for him? You just gave him the perfect excuse if he was scum and trying out a plan. Sure we might have a rolecop to confirm things, but theres always the chance mafia could pick it up. | ||
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On May 16 2012 21:21 zelblade wrote: I personally feel that we shouldnt be talking about scum reads, not at this point when roles are not yet confirmed. Doing so may influence a heavily scrutinized scum player to pick up something like GF giving them a free kill if they get lynched. Also rolecop is definately useful for town. Hey Toad why are you explaining risk's actions for him? You just gave him the perfect excuse if he was scum and trying out a plan. Sure we might have a rolecop to confirm things, but theres always the chance mafia could pick it up. EBWOP: Made an error | ||
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Why do you want us to reveal what roles we would like to be taken for sure? All this does is give a decent amount of information for scum considering how most people would probably pick what they feel is best - AKA what they reveal in the thread to be the best for town. This seems like its going to give mafia a rough idea of what people are going to pick, allowing them to not only snipe important roles but also discourages town from selecting stronger roles in fear of clashes. For instance, if Sentinel states that he thinks, say, medic and JOAT are important roles, scum will know that he is probably going to pick either. This not only discourages town from picking one of these really useful roles up (since they think that sentinel probably is selecting one and dont want to become a VT) but also lets scum know that he is, more likely than not, one of these roles. | ||
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Since you agree Janitor is dangerous when in scum hands just follow the plan and take it -_- I really do not see the problem here Also, what do you think about Qatol's plans for where our discussion efforts should go to today? | ||
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So risk, why do you think that discussing scumreads at this point is a good idea, when doing so may potentially affect the roles scum pick? Why dont we wait till day 1 starts for this? Also something about my schedule is that on weekdays I can only be on a computer till midnight HKT, and at most take a quick look/post a few short posts on my phone in the morning before the deadline. One last thing why have people started claiming even though Qatol himself has stated that he wants opinions on the plan itself before putting it in action? | ||
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Anyway, moving on, Janitor needs to claim. I am relatively sure there has been some shenanigans occuring at the top. Qatol's case on Paqman is interesting. To be honest - I think that paqman's reasonings for his posting are actually pretty decent. I can understand what he means by not being able to contribute much due to fact that plans were discussed during his absense - this is actually similar for me - I was in school for most of the draft phase, and by the time I got back there wasnt much to do other than give opinions on the plan. | ||
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I'm a vt and didn't choose dayvig. | ||
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Sentinel claims to have followed the plan of picking up janitor, and claimed that he didnt get it. If his claim is believable that would mean that one of marv/risk is janitor. I personally trust sentinel's claim due to the fact that its dumb as fuck as scum - why even agree to the improvised town plan when it was proposed that he take janitor too? If I was him I would have just fake afked till the end of the pick phase and say "opps some shit happened sorry" and not be a part of this mess. Thus hes probably town or a really dumb mafia who can write a book on "how to get caught in a lie as scum 101". Since I feel sentinel is town, that leaves risk and marvellosity. Risk claims to have never followed the town plan. However, the primary thing is this - he himself agrees that janitor is a extremely powerful role in scum hands... in that case, why doesnt he, given the chance to, follow the town plan and save town a whole bunch of trouble worrying about possible hidden flips? This feels extremely off to me which is definately an area of suspision. Janitor is a dead role for scum in this particular game since it cannot be used without asking for death if the plan was followed. However, if town does not know where exactly the janitor is it becomes extremely powerful simply due to the threat it gives - just look at today. I believe he pulled off this gambit seeking to both deny positions 3 and 4 strong roles, whilst giving his teammates lower in the draft a higher chance to get good picks. Marvellosity too has decided to not follow the plan, and decided to pick another role whilst claiming to follow the plan. This move is stupid as hell if townie and extremely useful as scum. Scum doesnt want to get stuck with a useless VT, and marv's given excuse is pretty much one that both town and scum can use. Problem is, I generally feel stronger regarding my scum read on risk, which is why im going to vote for him. ##vote: risk.nuke Also role claims will help. I probably could help with verifying a couple of things since I know one of the roles in the positions 2 - 4 (aka I can "confirm" one of the roles taken) | ||
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