Pick Your Power: Redux

On May 14 2012 03:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Have it start tonight!

On May 15 2012 08:52 Misder wrote:
No, they revolve around denying mafia roles for an instawin (okay, maybe a bit exaggerated but not really).
I would also say no mass roleclaim cause that gives mafia way too much information.

On May 15 2012 09:35 talismania wrote:
Paqman, the plans being discussed all revolve around setting the roles to be picked by the top three or so draft winners. In effect, they are pre-claiming the roles that those three people will get.

On May 16 2012 23:55 risk.nuke wrote:

I said it wont affect them at all if you bothered to read before you spurted out your bunch of nonsense.
You claim us discussing them will affect their rolepicks? I find that very unlikely since their picks will be determined by their positions in the draft and what they think they can get. They can't simply trade roles between eachother and give a player who's more heavily scrutinised a certain role. And if they start doing that they will have less time to think about their new roles to pick.

On May 17 2012 09:04 Toadesstern wrote:


It's not the point that he is resisting the plan. The fact that he was fine with the plan before Role-PMs went out and changed his mind once he got his role PM is the troublesome part.

Yes usually people who are that vocal don't turn out to be mafia but he could very well do that on purpose.
Remember how I played in LI and WBG said "no way Toad is mafia. He said VE is mafia and told us that he hasn't even done a case on VE when asked about that. Mafias aren't usually talking about things like that so transparent" and I ended up being mafia although wbg was perfectly right with his statement.
I already said to blue in another thread it's not about wether it's "normal" for mafia or town. It's about wether or not it's normal for the specific guy and if you think he has the balls to do that as mafia. I think he would have the balls to do it, making it a null for me.

And on top of a null I have a guy who ignores everything what's going on while we have multiple people telling everyone that we can't change the plan once Role-PMs are out and that guy comes in here once Role-PMs are out telling everyone that he want's to destroy the plan on purpose.

If he does that he is mafia. If he isn't doing it he's a townie who thought it's a good idea to draw attention away from the traitor by looking like a mafia on purpose.
We'll find out about it d2 :p

On May 17 2012 10:14 Qatol wrote:
Let me preface this discussion by stating that we have seen very little arguing between players so far. The number selections being completely random and the discussions about roles have gone almost completely without debate. This is a very pro-town atmosphere and tells me that the mafia are trying to blend into the discussion rather than keep the town from working together. The mafia haven't been working towards encouraging arguments at this point. Therefore, the people we should be looking at first are the ones who are hovering around the edges of the discussion without adding much.

As promised, I give you my strong lynch target: PaqMan

First, he undergoes a stark change in attitude after the game starts. When the game is still in its setup stages, he's positively giddy about the game starting.
However, once the game starts, his posting undergoes a major change. He becomes much more conservative in his posting, to the point where he might be considered apathetic about the game. He spends most of the number selection phase lurking in the background asking a question or two here and there, but not really making much of an attempt to contribute. Where did the pregame excitement go?

On May 17 2012 10:14 Qatol wrote:
Notice this post:
1)The question to ask is "why would he post something like this?" Note that nobody at the time was posting any reservations about the number selection plan at all. So why would he ask this? Because he's trying to make it look like he's involved in the discussion and making useful posts without really advancing the main discussion at all.

2)These posts made part of one of his next posts even more surprising:
Then what was that comment earlier? And why have you been asking questions up to this point without giving your opinion on anything? Up to this point, you haven't contributed anything at all! We literally know your opinion on nothing. But you are still highlighting different parts of the plan.

And why have you been asking questions up to this point without giving your opinion on anything?

On May 17 2012 10:14 Qatol wrote:
Now let's compare this to another recent game where PaqMan was a townie: Mafia 'Area' LIII
He started very similarly, chomping at the bit for the game to start.
However, notice his posts once the game started:
There is a HUGE difference between how he acts here. He's comfortable asserting his opinion when questioning an idea. Notice that he has done nothing of the sort in this game other than pointing out that posting numbers doesn't hurt the town if done in the context of a larger post.

Now look at one more post from Area LIII which draws an even bigger contrast to the posts he has been making in this game:
This is a wonderful pro-town post. He points out potential flaws in a plan and suggests an improvement. He hasn't even come CLOSE to doing something like this in the current game even though all we have done so far is talk about plans! He has the ability to do so, he just hasn't.

On May 17 2012 10:14 Qatol wrote:
So, in summary, PaqMan fits the profile we should be looking for as a mafia, we saw a dramatic shift between his pre-game and current posting styles, his posts show that he is scared to give meaningful contribution to the ongoing discussion, he clearly doesn't care about the well-being of the town, and his history tells us that this is completely out of character for him. All of this adds up to Mafia.