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Mattchew
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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I just don't know. Like in my message below, the fact that risk was upfront with how anti-townie he is being doesn't necessarily make him a townie. Your point on the blue role is what sways it for me. Sentinel is either scum janitor or VT. risk is either scum janitor or a pretty powerful town role. Everyone says I should claim. Should I? Original Message From Snarfs: That is a very good question. Just looking at the player though, he seems like the type that would indeed, as mafia, try to go along with town as long as possible to blend in. I think that he's not a strong enough player to think that far ahead. Either way though, it makes the most sense to lynch Sentinel now. Even if you're 50/50. Because we do not run the risk of lynching a blue role if he is town and it would confirm risk is the mafia. Not bad for a day 1. However, if you're more than say, 60% sure that risk is the scum, then it makes more sense to go after him. I'd say I'm more like 65% sure that Sentinel is the liar here. Risk's posting and aggressiveness seems quite towny. He's being very clear in his thoughts. Sentinel has not let us into his brain at all, which I deem very mafia-esque. Original Message From marvellosity: What I really don't like about risk: On May 18 2012 03:30 risk.nuke wrote: I'm not the janitor. And if the town is a mess it's not my fault. Protip: stop complaining about it and take some action. Wrong, the town is in a mess because of him. He created the mess by not picking janitor. On the other side of the coin, he was fairly open about it. But is being fairly open about being anti-town a plus point? I'm not so sure. The other interesting thing is that he immediately voted Sentinel for claiming VT, thinking he was following him on the list. Two options there: 1) he was telling the truth about not choosing janitor, so Sentinel must be scum. this explains the vote. 2) he chose janitor and is trying to cover up his scuminess by claiming and voting sentinel as the liar. For me, even if he is janitor scum, I hesitate to think that he'd still immediately vote for Sentinel on that basis, it seems too bold. Do you see what I'm saying? 1) seems more likely given how he simply immediately voted him. Re: Sentinel. If he's town, then he's telling the truth and risk is scum and there's not much else to it. Now if he's scum. This is where my head starts to hurt. Assume sentinel scum/risk town. risk states he's not going to choose janitor. So sentinel would choose janitor. QUESTION: would he lie about it? so sentinel got janitor, so he could claim janitor. but this runs the risk (ffs risk puns) that risk actually chose janitor after all, thus initiating a 1 for 1 swap. Not good for mafia. The only safe play is to claim VT when you have 2 players above you instead of 1 to cast suspicion on. But that leads on to another question: if sentinel was scum and wanted to choose janitor, why did he agree to choose janitor in the thread? would it not make more sense for him to say "no, that's what failsafe #3 is for". Although my pick was supposed to be RNG... hmm. His claim on VT is very weak as you say. I suppose all my rambling leads to the question just mentioned - what's the likelihood that sentinel would have agreed to try to choose janitor in the thread if he was scum? | ||
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marvellosity
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On June 04 2012 14:59 zelblade wrote: Which leads me to believe that the last scum is marvellosity. I find it extremely wierd that he took the mason role at spot 3. I believe that he did so in order to deny sandroba mason. Sandroba happens to be a vet, and the mason role in his hands, which I speculate would have been used by him to get into contact with one his stronger town reads (probably Qatol) would probably be extremely dangerous for scum. Not only that, doing so would allow him to get into a decent position, primilarly due to the fact that whoever he got masoned with would be inclined to think that he was town. I dont think picking a scumbuddy would be a good move for mason, since there would be a lot of explanation to do when the partner flipped. Looking through what happened D1, one would notice that marv manages to escape a lot of the attention despite being part of the situation then. Quotes from sentinel and Paqman D1 (flipped scum). You would notice here that both of them are attempting to push along the risk wagon, whilst at the same time removing doubt from marv. I find how marv managed to escape most of the attention D1 despite not following the plan too. As I stated earlier, I found marv's action to not follow the plan despite saying that he would extremely scummy as well, simply due to the fact that it was the optimal move for scum as janitor would be a dead role. I think that marv is the last scum. I would be fine with lynching him today, though I wouldnt mind a no-lynch either. On June 05 2012 11:42 zelblade wrote: @Marv I am relatively sure the primary reason snarfs didnt mention you was because he knew your role. So I dont get why you are using him as an example. Either way the way the day progressed was simple. Snarfs asked who got janitor, I mention that there is something wierd going on up in the top 4. Sent claims that he "did not get janitor", and Snarfs votes sent. He does not consider you as a possibility simply because you are his mason buddy and we were janitor hunting. Traitor zeph dumps his vote onto risk, and sent comes back to post this Naturally this triggers a reaction from risk, who proceeds to vote him. Simply put, a combanation of snarfs being your buddy and heavily pushing the lynch in sent's direction, combined with sent claiming that you were a less likely possibility, made it such that you were pretty much removed from people's thought processes. And no Qatol didnt protect you continously, his primary reason for voting sentinel was that it was the best move. The fact that he doesnt even mention you proves my point. Alright, so the first quote, there's two points. 1) I picked mason, denying sandroba 2) people did not suspect me, and especially the scum. I picked mason because I wanted to try being mason. Talking to Radfield pre-draft, I told him I was interested in pardoner, politician, and mason. The first two primarily because I found lynch-related roles interesting. Generally being things like a dt, cop, vigilante aren't really that interesting to me. Anyway it turned out that pardoner and politician were pretty likely anti-town roles, so I chose mason instead. That's really all there is to it. By choosing RNG townie, I gave town a FREE CONFIRMED TOWNIE, and for some reason this is less important than the fact sandroba ended up VT? ... Point 2, scum did not suspect me and actively tried to push the lynch on to risk. Well, fucking duh. I was not really a realistic lynch target for anyone, why would scum waste their time trying to push the lynch on to me? Clearly they HAD to do everything they could to push it on to risk, who was receiving much more attention. Diverting attention to me would be insanity. Given how close it was this was clearly the optimal move. And oh yeah, I VOTED FOR SENTINEL. Second quote: "I am relatively sure the primary reason snarfs didnt mention you was because he knew your role. So I dont get why you are using him as an example." I wasn't using Snarfs as an example in that situation, I was saying that Snarfs believes me to be townie. Take a look at one of his last posts wherever it is. No idea where zelblade is going with the Qatol thing. No, Qatol didn't protect me every night, but he did protect me twice, including the last night he was alive, suggesting he maintained a town-read on me. zel goes on to quote Qatol talking about Sentinel, saying the fact that Qatol doesn't mention me 'proves his point'. His point? That everyone saw me as pretty townie and barely worth considering for the lynch? The entire thrust of your case is that people found me too townie to lynch and therefore I am scum. Anyone else see the flaw here? Just a reminder, I did not have to vote for Sentinel (as the logs show, Snarfs did not pressure me either way) and I chose RNG mason to give town a free confirmed townie. I'll freely admit that I thought sandroba was the last scum. But he clearly put effort into his final post, thusly: On June 01 2012 09:16 sandroba wrote: I've reread this whole fucking thing and here are my conclusions. So the possibilities are: Zelblade mafia - Went for vigilante or dayvigi, didn't get it and said things in thread about janitor. This may have happened, but if it did surely it was a pretty bad mistake that got sentinel killed, but it's not like mistakes didn't happen a lot in this game. Looking at the mafia picks it's possible that they went for a mass kp strat and tried to get cpr/joat/vigi/dayvigi. Zelblade got pissed off he didn't get vigi and complained in the thread about shenanigans on the janitor role since he knew only a few townies could have gone for it. Also assuming paqman had gone for dayvigi/vig and sent, zelblade could pretty much conclude the townies didn't go for janitor. @zelblade How did you conclude shenanigans had been going on with the janitor role when you didn't get JOAT? Looking through his filter i found some gems of soft defending mafia: It's also weird that he didn't change his vote to sentinel when risk claimed he didn't pick JOAT, since if risk was mafia he could have said he picked JOAT and still get sentinel lynched. Thus, from zelblade's perspective sentinel was the most logical vote. Mind you that the votes were really close. marv - Now this gets interesting. It is possible that he is mafia, denying me the mason role which I had claimed I planned to take, not taking the useless (if claimed) janitor role and getting himself to look really good. But looking at his filter I can't really see it happening, I see several behavior clues that points to him being town. Also mason had to pick which type of mason day 1, and stronger play for mafia would be to take one scum buddy as his partner. So the conclusion I arrived at is that zelblade is mafia. Everybody should be voting for him and I'm sorry I claimed he is unlikely mafia before due to not reading enough and not assigning enough time to this game due to D3. If you guys want to lynch me that's okay as long as you lynch zelblade tomorrow. Also just so you know if I was mafia this game I would totally have forfeited after the sk was killed, since I hate being mafia, the position was pretty much unwinnable for me since some people already wanted to lynch me (and I suck at being mafia) and I want to focus on D3. Veteran scumhunter finally pulls his finger out of his ass (sorry love) and believes zelblade scum (as did snarfs...). Can we just win now please? | ||
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chaoser
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Night 7 ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ex7xQfjZ1qgwe6x.gif) Project M is coming to a close Mattchew the townie Day Vigi is dead Day ends in 48 hours | ||
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marvellosity
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zelblade
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+ Show Spoiler + jk but I highly doubt that those are ALL the logs you have. Afraid to post them? I also find it extemely ironic that you blame risk for day 1 when you clearly helped to cause it too. I honestly do not believe that a town you would think that picking mason, especially when sandroba was asking for it. Simply wifoming about your pick doesnt cut it, and I am relatively sure you know that. There were two reasons why you werent a viable option for day 1 in the thread. Snarfs was the one most actively pushing shit d1, and since he knew you couldnt be janitor he removed you from the possibilites, which was one reason. And the other was that sent decided to push risk, and paq did the same. The question here is, why would they do that? A no-lynch D1 would have been optimal for scum, and pushing different targerts would actually best achieve that. I find it highly suspect that that didnt even occur, and that they completely ignored you even before your mason claim. Well Misder its up to you to decide I guess. Look at where Mattchew was leaning before he died. ##vote: marvellosity | ||
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marvellosity
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And no obviously they're not all my logs, but Matt was asking about the situation regarding me voting Sentinel day 1. Where Matt was leaning? Need I remind you he voted you the day before, not for no lynch, not for me. Again, your case rests on me being too townie, the fact that I voted for scum, the fact that everyone thought I was townie, the fact Qatol protected me twice, the fact SANDROBA thought I was townie, the fact sandroba thought you were scum, the fact Snarfs thought you were scum, the fact Matt voted for YOU. You have nothing to redeem you. | ||
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zelblade
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So why dont you post all your logs? Oh he did vote for me, but he was clearly changing his mind. Wifom, sure, but why would I shoot him when it looked like he was changing his mind and misder was leaning on voting me? The way you are misrepresenting the case is pretty hilarious. No it isnt on you being too townie, rather the fact that scum completely and totally ignored you when pushing you before the lynch became risk v sent. Sandroba did say I was most likely the last scum, yes, but he was wrong, and you were a possibility to him too. Snarfs probably wouldnt think that you were mafia by vitrue of the fact that he was your mason partner. I would also freely admit that I didnt think that you could be scum and was sure that one of sand/toad was the last scum. Well played fooling us. It pretty much boils down to this. Which is more likely - A scum zel managing to pull off the most fail bus in tl mafia history, or scum deciding to protect their scumbuddy marv who was in a safe position, setting him up for the late game? | ||
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marvellosity
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Matt wasn't 'clearly changing his mind', what drugs are you on? As explained, scum had nothing to gain from pushing me when they were so close to a risk mislynch - a risk in position 2 I remind you. Snarfs probably wouldn't think I was mafia because I was masoned with him? What is this crap? He would have the MOST insight into whether I was mafia because I shared my thoughts and ramblings to him. And what the hell is your final question/statement? It doesn't even make sense. | ||
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zelblade
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Scum had everything to gain from pushing you. More people doubting you = less people on sent = higher chance for a NL. Its alot easier to convince someone you are town when you can communicate privately no? I also STILL dont get why you dont want to post your logs. | ||
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marvellosity
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KILLING RISK IS BETTER THAN NO LYNCH. You voted risk. I voted Sentinel. No, it's a lot harder to convince someone you're town when you communicate privately, because they have A LOT MORE INFORMATION than everyone else. What did Snarfs think with all this extra info? that i was TOWN Mason CONFIRMING TOWNIE to town, voting Sentinel, everyone thinks zelblade is scum and I am town. Matt 'might' have changed his mind - gosh you make a strong case. I'm done with this thread. There's no more to argue with you. Misder, I will nominate you for biggest blooper if you manage to lynch me today. The fact I'm even having this conversation with zelblade is ridiculous. | ||
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zelblade
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marvellosity
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On June 06 2012 22:48 marvellosity wrote: Because posting my logs would take a lot of time as not everything is in one thread. No, it's a lot harder to convince someone you're town when you communicate privately, because they have A LOT MORE INFORMATION than everyone else. What did Snarfs think with all this extra info? that i was TOWN | ||
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chaoser
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Mattchew
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chaoser
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Day 8 ![[image loading]](http://i47.tinypic.com/6pqjur.jpg) You stumble through the hallway, clutching your left arm as you run. Your partner had been asleep when he fell upon you and now his brains were decorating a concrete floor that no one will ever see. As you run, you realize there was no more hope, that it was going to end. And just as you think that, you hear the swinging of metal in the air and now you're looking at your own body as your head flies through the air. Fuck, you think. You head bounces around and finally rolls to a stop. He picks up your head and snares. "Game over", is the last thing you would have heard had you stil lthen alive as he whispers it into your ears that no longer work No One Has Been Lynched I assume mafia will kill someone tonight, leading to a 1:1 situation Thus, mafia wins! Congrats! Misder the townie roleblocker has been endgamed marvellosity the townie mason has been endgamed zelblade the vanille mafia has won! | ||
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