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Your plan just makes it so that you (obviously you're going to vote to be in the minority) control everything about round 1. That's so problematic especially is the game goes on because you get more and more power as there's less and less people to control. | ||
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On April 30 2012 23:13 syllogism wrote: I can't say I'm even slightly surprised to see you on the wrong side of a decent plan. This is off-topic, but perhaps you should stop joining games that have non-standard setups if you have no interest in actually figuring out the setup and utilizing it in the way that best benefits the town. That's the whole point. How is it a decent plan again??? The plan is literally "let palmar control round one" | ||
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On April 30 2012 23:30 syllogism wrote: Because he seems townie enough and the alternative is basically random chance or worse. We aren't going to be able to democratically determine who should be in the minority and who shouldn't in 24 hours, especially on day 1. So we're to buy into this plan on the idea that we can trust "your word" that palmar is "townie enough"? The alternative ISN'T random chance or worse. We all decide someone that should be minority, everyone else gets sent to round B. That is basically palmar's original plan but without the exemption part. It's a simpler plan since we only have to decide on one person to be in the minority. On April 30 2012 19:02 Palmar wrote: Okay, I got it. So we just force the people we want to lynch to be on the majority side of the thing right? Actually, we should just say "everyone votes YES" unless given an exemption. That way we can just weed out obvious townies and spend the rest of the day figuring out whom to lynch. Also lynching a lot of people sounds fun. | ||
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On May 01 2012 00:27 syllogism wrote: This is such a ridiculous assertion that I think I know who I will be voting to lynch today. Too late for what? Why do you assume it would take long? And if he is mafia and had given his team mates immunity on previous rounds, wouldn't we just catch them all at once? Don't you think the other team would shoot him anyway? Why is he, as mafia, putting himself in such a spotlight especially given that there is another team that can, presumably, just kill him? It seems to me your mindset is not that of a townie Why do you assume it WON'T take long to figure out if palmar is mafia or not? YOU'RE the one saying the plan will work. YOU'RE the one that needs to argue and prove it. If he was mafia, do you really think it'd be as simple as "everyone he gave immunity to is mafia"? If we're just mislynching for like three days, does that mean palmar is mafia? What if we lynched one mafia in three days? two? None of it means shit since there's TWO FAMILIES! And if palmar isn't targetting the other family, he obviously won't get shot. Even if he does get shot, there'd be so much confusion over who he gave immunity to and whatnot that a huge WIFOM would occur. Why make it that complex? Keep it simple. 1 immunity, everyone else goes to round 2, we all say what our votes will be before giving them in. | ||
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On May 01 2012 02:58 syllogism wrote: Since jubjubs aren't complying with the best plan for day 1, we need to reach consensus on round A voting within a few hours. I think this game would be better with 72 hour days, there is so little time to come up with plans or even contact everyone within 24 hours. ad hominems sure do work well to convince others... | ||
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how is my stance apathetic?? I said to keep it simple and then work it out from there. Palmar is saying we should have this plan which hinges on him being the one in power. I'm saying that if he's mafia, the situation would be extremely bad, that should be a given in any game; that giving mafia a lot of power is bad. Let's say we ARE following palmar's plan, and lets say he thinks what, like 3 people should get immunity for round A today, what does that really change? two more people going to be a part of Round B. We still need to do that exact thing in round 2 then as we would do if we kept it simple. Keeping it simple is like if it was just palmar picking only one person to be immune day 1. | ||
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On May 01 2012 03:48 syllogism wrote: Chaoser do you think Palmar is mafia or not? yes I do. and you by association | ||
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On May 01 2012 04:04 syllogism wrote: Ah yes, the good old "lets attract as much attention as possible and establish an obvious link between each other" strategy in a two scum team game. Do you genuinely believe this? Before the game started, I was thinking that if I was mafia I would come out of the gate very strong, use the WIFOM of "he's so out there, there's no way he's mafia" card and then make it to day 3 or 4 by way of offering an audacious plan. There's no way such a person wouldn't attract a medic or something, as can be seen in A LOT of TL games (specifically in space station with sandro's strong coming out). Even if I didn't attract a medic, the other mafia family probably won't shoot me because they'd fear a medic protect anyway. It was more of a solo plan that I was thinking about but having another person along would make it even more "out there". Mafia win the game by outnumbering townie, not by having as many people stay alive till the end. If mafia can waste enough time to get to LYLO, it doesn't matter what the town does since it's very rare for town to play perfectly once LYLO is reached, especially if mafia has been defending townies as well as teammates. So much WIFOM at LYLO means mafia will probably win. That's how I always play as mafia; go look at that game where Ver was badass professor. Had mafia pushed that last lynch on a townie instead of on me, town would have been at LYLO and would have been fucked. Barundar and GM had believed and supported me the whole way, they were definitely going to be mislynched sooner or later. Even if most of my team was lynched after reaching LYLO, mafia would have probably won. That's why as soon as palmar busted out with his plan, I was very very suspicious because it was going down exactly how I thought a mafia would play it. Having one person in power in this game is actually really bad | ||
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This is exactly what would happen if any single one person was given full power in this game. Sandro's "switching" power holder is even worse...that's so goddamn complicated it'd make anything happening so screwy.. | ||
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If palmar was part of a team, by the time we figure it out, it would be too late. Even more so since apparently he's asking people to claim to him. how is that a "non-townie" mindset? I basically said if palmar was mafia, it would be very bad for us and would take a long time to figure out which is true in any situation where mafia has gotten into a position of power. How many times have you seen a mafia mayor get lynched day two? Barely any as far as I can tell. Do you agree that if palmar is mafia, it would be a bad idea for this plan to go through? Even if you think that is a possible mafia strategy, do you think it is a likely one? It makes perfect sense from a town point of view and is exactly what you would expect from town palmar. You have to admit that that is WIFOM, saying that this is expected from town palmar. I personally feel it's a likely mafia strategy in this game, especially since I thought it up before the game started. And I pointed to specifics a lot? How have I not posted in specifics? Sorry, I'm not understanding what you mean by that. I already said clearly why I don't like palmar's plan and what we should do instead... | ||
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On May 01 2012 05:57 syllogism wrote: Sometimes all it takes is one post to get a solid town read on someone, you should read some guides Ace can't tell if being sarcastic or... | ||
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On May 01 2012 06:17 Katina wrote: Palmar thinks his whole "I'm the King, bow down and listen to me" plan is helping then that's pretty scummy or just bad town. It has brought nothing but a distraction to the thread. Everyone has been completely diverted by this plan of giving him all the power. All the time could have been spent looking for the Mafia instead of arguing that "Plan". It would be ideal for the Mafia to cause this sort of distraction so they can easily hide under the attention that has been directed onto Palmar. In order to make a clear decision when vote time comes around the town needs to start building cases against possible Mafia and not getting sidetracked by such silliness. Um, the discussion it brought is pretty helpful? It started discussion? The plan itself sucks though and is very anti-town. | ||
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A) Having a smaller number players in the majority is more advantageous than having a larger number. This should be self-evident, but the smaller the majority, the better chance town has of keeping townies alive and lynching mafia. Foolishless laid it out quite well earlier. how is it more advantageous again? if people are in risk of being lynched/killed, they're more likely to talk and so it's easier to find mafia...how is more people in round 2 bad??? | ||
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If you have a system in place to make it so that round 2 proceeds in an orderly manner then everything works out perfectly. I sent this to WBG already but I'll post it here as well. for round two, it's based on whoever has the lowest points will be lynched right? so I was thinking of basing it on a gradient system. Most scummy, no points. We then have the rest pass points in a system following the player order. so lets say it's like 5 people in the majority and 1 person in the minority. that's 25 points. lets say we think a is mafia. so the players are a, b, c, d, e, f we think f is townie so he's in minority cause we need one. we move onto round 2. b gives all his points to c, c gives all his points to d, d gives to e, e gives to b. If we all circle then a will have zero points. even if mafia was trying to save a, the two teams members would have to give 6 points total to save him. Because of the circle system, there's no way a can make back the deficient with his 5 points for both his teammates; one of his teammates will be adjacent to someone without 5 votes. That person is also mafia then. f will be giving his votes, spread as evenly as possible, into the crowd of b, c, d, e. If things look wrong then f is suspicious. WBG suggested to me that we do it so that everyone only cycles 4 votes and they give their one vote to whomever they want so that accountability would be an element and I agree. There's no way a would be able to get out of this situation unless his teammates out themselves. | ||
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I was hoping to push a katina lynch today but I'm willing to settle on a sandro lynch. Townie sandro makes plans. He loves plans, especially trying to make semi-game breaking ones. I figured out of all people, he would be most excited about how to most effectively use the two round mechanic to help town. On to the cycle: Prplhz Cephiro Sandroba Viscera Eyes Mr Wiggles Meapak_Ziphh Radfield Echelon Tee Liquid`Sheth Chaoser I'm going to give 4 of my votes to Prplhz. I hope the rest of you join the cycle as well. | ||
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On May 01 2012 13:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Wait, I want to be walked through why "we're" doing a circle-jerk here. I need to know why people think that it's a good idea, and I need to know what they hope to accomplish with it. I've been reading the thread, so please don't ask me to go read it again. I can assure you, I'm reading it as you read this. I'm preparing a post on who of the available lynches I do not wish to continue playing with and why. I hope everyone, regardless of how they intend to spend their votes, will do the same. Time is short, and I want to be informed. You are clearly NOT reading the game if you don't understand why the cycle system is the best way to handle round 2. I already posted about how it works and the ramifications of using it. It allows for accountability and also responsibility for ones votes. | ||
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On May 01 2012 14:30 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, it looks good with 1 person in the minority - it fails to expand on how to proceed with a minority of like 8 people. All you say on the matter is "See, I told you" which doesn't explain anything chaoser. As far as I'm concerned, with 8 people in the minority, the cycle isn't viable. Am I wrong? I thought about it and we can try to do a double cycle. I'm not 100% sure if it'll work out since I haven't done all the math for it but basically all the people in the minority follow a cycle as well. So Ace give to Prp and palmar gives to cephiro and so on. But instead of only 4 points they give all 5. This would require a lot of freedom being given up though and knowing the other players, I doubt they'll agree... | ||
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On May 02 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be some sort of reentry into the game for some, so assuming Sand is scum and you guys kill us both, if it's a town-related power, you should bring me back. I have reads, but I'm holding them hostage until after I flip. Bring me back, and we'll kill all the scums. They're gooooooooood too. On May 01 2012 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyway, right now I'd lynch into wherebugsgo, chaoser, syllogism. That's my story. I'll provide reasoning if any of these players are in the majority in Phase B. to quote Ace: How does that even work... On May 02 2012 01:49 VisceraEyes wrote: It doesn't matter Sheth - I'm going to be voted off today because I was scumhunting and scum are in power. It's standard operating procedure. Isn't this just giving up? On May 01 2012 15:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually - don't answer that. It doesn't even matter. I'm giving my votes to Radfield, Sheth, prplhz, Cephiro and MrWiggles. Do whatever the piss you want with that. I'm fine with a Sandroba lynch. On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote: My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be. That being said, my scumreads are: Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches. I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer. ???? | ||
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To: wherebugsgo [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: hey Date: 5/2/12 09:59 i gave my last vote to motbob is great.meapak. sorry for the massf pms haha, i'm just sending messages as i go along | ||
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On May 04 2012 10:15 Cephiro wrote: Flipped a coin and sent in my vote. Syllo & chaoser please reply to my PMs. I just did | ||
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Cephiro: 11 - (chaoser 4, Sheth 4, Radfield 2, Meapak 1) <--- By far the most, now think for a moment how many scum were likely in the minority during D1. Woah dude...you're totally misrepresenting this. I don't know about the others but I PMed you MY reason for giving you 4 votes and it was because I was under the impression we were doing the cycle plan and you were the next name in line and wasn't sandro. It in no way means you're townie because you got the most votes. And for you to make this argument in the first place after I had already told you why my 4 votes are on you is scummy as fuck. | ||
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On April 30 2012 15:36 EchelonTee wrote: @Sandroba: Last time you were town in a PM game you broke the hell out of it; if I don't see similar efforts then it's tunnel city. On May 02 2012 08:10 EchelonTee wrote: RE: Sandroba He hasn't been been his plan-happy self from Space Station Mafia even a little bit, and from what people have been saying about him through PMs, he hasn't been disinterested and apathetic. The only other game I have played with him, TL Mafia L, he was pretty lurky as scum, so this lines up. I was waiting for him to respond to how accusations/post reads of his own (as WBG said he would be doing), but it's been a while now. I would be fine with him as a secondary lynch, but with VE dumping votes on him I don't see how he will die today. If his busy-ness due to Brazillian parties or whatever is genuine, he now has a chance to step up his play. On May 04 2012 16:54 EchelonTee wrote: @chaoser: my opinion of sandroba - voting trends suggest he's town, and in thread he hasn't been significantly more lurky than others, while also hasn't been disruptive. while prplhz has had plenty of time to catch up by now, it's clear sandroba has only had time to be here or there and honestly should've replaced out like Radfield did. will be obvious as hell if he's scum as time goes on, so not at the top of my concern list. I'm going to hold off on my votes until it's clear how we will get done what we want to get done. You go from saying you'd be all over sandro if he wasn't active to being only ok with his lynch as a secondary lynch to giving him more time...???? [/QUOTE] | ||
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On May 05 2012 04:30 Palmar wrote: @sheth, just sheep whatever I'm doing, and atm I'm doing whatever syllo is doing, so you should sheep him. btw, your reads that don't say BC and Ceph are scum are wrong. sheth says he already gave his 5 votes to ceph in the beginning of round b. | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote: btw, you were the first guy in the thread to use the term "pro town", that makes you 100% scum (look it up if you don't trust me). ??? what does that even mean? how does that make him 100% scum? | ||
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From: wherebugsgo [ 5458 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: hey Date: 5/5/12 10:40 can you put votes on ET? Like all 5 | ||
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From: wherebugsgo [ 5459 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: hey Date: 5/5/12 06:48 Anyway, we're getting off the path here. Will you send votes to Foolishness or me? Let me know within the next 4-5 minutes; it's fine if you just send all of them to either one of us | ||
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You do realize how easy it would be even for me as a townie to mess that up just to piss you off, or if I felt you were scum? why would you do that...as a townie? | ||
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On May 07 2012 23:36 syllogism wrote: Who do you think should be killed today, Chaoser? Everything we said about you on day 1 still applies, including what Foolishness said and he has flipped town. Have you been PMing anyone at all? Got logs with meapak and sandroba? The only people I've been in contact with in PMs is WBG and gonzaw. I sent foolishness a PM early on but it didn't amount to anything since he was townie. I don't think MZ should be lynched though. I thought he played the game in a very open manner at the start of the game and he was one of the few people that actually agreed with Ace that the palmar plan was stupid. Seeing as how right now it looks like only a survivor has KP, I'd suggest we drag this game out as long as possible. More voting data=more chances for foolishness-like voting analysis. Mafia have no KP and WBG has almost total control over round B and I very much doubt he is mafia since if he was he could have screwed over town supremely by now. I say we lynch one person a cycle. Time is obviously not on the mafia's side. I would like Sheth lynched today. | ||
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Original Message From Cephiro: May I know your reasoning for giving me 4 votes during round B? Original Message From chaoser: I gave my 4 votes early because of my cycle plan (you were next to me). Sandroba should have been lynched. what do you think of ET? Original Message From Cephiro: Okay, thanks for clarifying it up. At the moment ET seems quite okay to me. I currently wouldn't pressure him at all, if he's up to something I'd rather let him think he's safe. Original Message From chaoser: Does does that mean? if he seems ok, why would he be "up to something" and why would you want him to "feel safe"? Original Message From Cephiro: I'll try to make it easy: For now I'm ok with him = I don't think he is a threat = I am not currently getting very much scumvibes off him Being up to something IF he happened to be scum. That is still a possibility, although currently I do not find it likely. It's better for me if the scum thinks that they haven't been found, and then I can come and flip my tables. Original Message From chaoser: Who are your scum reads then? What do you think of BC and sandro? What about palmar and syllo? From: Cephiro [ 480 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: Liar Game Date: 5/4/12 11:00 BC is fine, I don't really like sandros play atm, I think syllo is town but something just seems wrong about their duo/buddyplay. Needless to say I don't like Palmar atm either. PMs in order with him. He doesn't give me much to work with though, skips over my scum read question. | ||
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On May 08 2012 00:12 syllogism wrote: You don't seriously buy a claim from trolling mafia? How does it make sense at all for him to play survivor like that? Seems to me you are only believing it because it fits your agenda huh? was this directed at me? | ||
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On May 08 2012 00:32 syllogism wrote: Of course, you are the one who is building our strategy around a likely fake claim/joke I'm confused...I'm not building our strategy around a fake claim joke? I don't even mention him being a vigi as part of the plan? And I thought everyone already knows he's not a vigi. | ||
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On May 08 2012 00:40 syllogism wrote: Palmar implied that cephiro claimed that he is a survivor with kp, which he sort of did with his jackpot comment. Anyway, you are still building our strategy around an unlikely scenario. We've our own theories as to why there has been only one KP every night and they seem more likely than there being a survivor who can basically claim on day 1 and then just tell town to direct his KP Where does he claim survivor? Sloosh is the first person to talk about survivors in the first place On May 06 2012 14:28 slOosh wrote: Oh. I suppose a 3rd party w/ 1KP playing survivor is possible. Yea that makes more sense than town vig with multiple shots hitting townies / multiple vigs. Either way, let's say it's mafia that's somehow controlling that one kp, how does lengthening the game help them there? More information to work with is better. Every time I play mafia, I try to end the game as early as possible because I know the longer the game the more connections and posting that needs to be done so it's harder and harder for mafia to go by unnoticed. Having one KP in an 18 man game ain't that great for mafia in the first place. Obviously the way to win for them is to take control of round b and get multiple townies killed now that we've only seen one KP every night cycle. On May 08 2012 00:12 syllogism wrote: You don't seriously buy a claim from trolling mafia? How does it make sense at all for him to play survivor like that? Seems to me you are only believing it because it fits your agenda Are you sure you're not just trying to make things fit your agenda and gameview? | ||
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On May 08 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote: So we don't kill them not because they have a good chance of flipping townies but in order to extract more information? No? We don't kill multiple people cause they HAVE a chance of flipping townie. At the same time a longer game being more information. Why are you misrepresenting what I'm saying? The two things are not exclusive of each other. @Syllo On May 03 2012 18:32 Palmar wrote: The Ace kill was probably an attempt to kill scum, in any case it's probably helpful to us. I don't think a plan like gonzaw's is going to work at this point in the game, simply because now we have some pretty solid opinions about who we want to lynch. Do you think BC is going to comply with the plan if he's voted to be in the majority? The whole reason why my plan could've worked on day 1 is not because it allows us to specifically kill a certain player, it's because it allowed us to sort of figure out what people were doing and thinking while narrowing the pool of potential players to be lynched. The whole point was that we were not set in on whom we were going to lynch. Today, there is simply no way the prime suspects are going to comply with a plan, they'll just attempt to be in the minority at all costs. I think we're going to have to randomize our answers. Can you clarify something for me then. With your theories, why was Ace killed then? Either he was killed as "an attempt to kill scum" or he was killed because what he was saying was on the right track to finding mafia. The first one discredits Ace's posts indirectly by saying Ace's posts were scummy and thus not helpful. The second one would obviously mean Ace was on the right track. | ||
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Ok, so what are your theories on how the KP works. Either there's a third party SK or mafia control the KP. Do they share the KP? Is it alternating (one team gets it one day, the other the next day). None of those make much sense. Fact of the matter is, Ace was probably killed by mafia cause he was making sense. In both of those cases, where mafia only have limited KP, there's no reason, on day 1, for mafia to try to shoot other mafia. I told WBG about this but the ratio is 4:1:1 so both teams are outnumbered. Given the choice, mafia aren't going to be shooting people on day 1 cause they seem scummy, it's because they think they're trying to weed out town. Either way, lets get back to other issues, why do you think MZ should get killed? | ||
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His activity has also drastically dropped when it became apparent palmar/me/wbg and foolishness got control of the game. You defending him for no reason only serves to increase our suspicions as chaoser/meapak team makes quite a bit of sense. lol...you played in the SS game with sandro. What did town do when sandro had all of the control? nothing. Like, the last few pages were literally VE screaming a bunch. If you notice, EVERYONE'S activity has dropped this game after control was taken. That's because there's nothing to do... | ||
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On May 08 2012 01:59 syllogism wrote: Feel free to make a case on someone who can be lynched today, other than sheth of course. gonzaw Katina Liquid`Sheth Meapak_Ziphh Mr. Wiggles slOosh syllogism So from that? lol kinda slim picking seeing as how most of the people I think are mafia are in the minority list sandro/ceph/sheth/ET/Palmar | ||
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On May 08 2012 02:08 syllogism wrote: Oh so you think one mafia team went 0-3 or 0-2 last night? Weren't you saying foolishness style voting analysis would be useful How does happening make it not useful? 1-2 isn't going to happen every round A, as people have said multiple times. Mafia are obviously going to 0-3 or 0-2 from time to time. | ||
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On May 08 2012 02:08 syllogism wrote: Oh so you think one mafia team went 0-3 or 0-2 last night? Weren't you saying foolishness style voting analysis would be useful Aren't you also saying theres one mafia team with 0-2 last night? your five is sheth/sandro/ceph/me/MZ with Me/MZ being on a team and sandro/sheth being on a team. No matter how you cut that, there's a 0-# team in there. | ||
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On May 08 2012 13:33 wherebugsgo wrote: also, since it feels like I am virtually the only townie who cares about winning, I'd appreciate it if some of you stopped being lazy assholes and actually did something for a change. I cannot be right about everything and I need different opinions in order to find scum. The game feels "too easy" because no one is doing anything, so there's an inherent bias in wanting to kill the people who are the most useless/anti town. At this point since that's almost everyone I'm starting to go insanely paranoid. "has total control and asks everyone to follow his plan" "bitches about people being lazy" Word dude? You do realize that if you, syllo, and palmar are asking people to follow your plans and control knowing the votes and whatnot that most people are not going to do much and just follow along right? That when people have different opinions, you either don't listen to them or think they are scum? You reads of scum are literally people who disagreed with the palmar plan (MZ, Ace, BC, Me) and people who are lurking (sandro). You're blaming other people when it's your own goddamn fault in the first place. The fact that sheth flipped green is disturbing but that just means that last night all three up for lynch were townies. Given how meapak responded (I'm not saving myself, I'm willing to die) and how he only survived because of Sheth (who flipped green), he's obviously green as well. So we had three greens up for lynch. I don't know who in your group is the one but I'm sure one of them is mafia, dude. Probably palmar. | ||
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On May 01 2012 08:16 Ace wrote: K so the plan just needs a majority of Town to give up their individual brilliance, sheep a Yes/No vote and form a new pool of suspects: Except the method of creating this pool should be determined by 1 player. Sounds awesome. Where do I sign up? Obviously it's not round a that's being controlled but round b but the giving up of individual thought still rings true. Like I said syllo, when MZ and I flip town, I'm going to enjoy your reaction. It'll bring back feelings of death factory all over again. I really do hope you, palmar, and sandro cut this shit out in the future. Until that time, I'm going to keep pushing for people I think are mafia. I hope the rest of town does as well and not buy into palmar/syllo group. | ||
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I'll be out with my cases soon | ||
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I know I'm town, I'm sure MZ is town given his actions at death. Sheth flipped town. 3 towns. I see a distinct lack of sloosh/prplhz. So are you saying that you think they are mafia after all? Are you going to produce that case on ET tonight? Tomorrow? Ever? I asked sheth/meapak/you to make a case on someone and none of you have. Thanks for taking that part out of context. I didn't say I thought they were mafia, only that town had thought them to be mafia at a time. But now there's no individual thought. Your "list of five" is held up as the only valid read. And now sheth has fallen and flipped green. I guess it's just a "list of four" now. This is exactly the situation I warned against early in the game; how long will it take town to decide your group is a piece of shit and actively destroying town? Too late is the answer, especially if you're going for multi lynches like you were yesterday. Are you going to produce that case on ET tonight? Tomorrow? Ever? I asked sheth/meapak/you to make a case on someone and none of you have. Obviously this cycle, don't sweat your pretty little head. | ||
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On May 08 2012 23:58 wherebugsgo wrote: n does as well and not buy into palmar/syllo group. I stopped here, since after reading this I realized the rest of it was just more bullshit. On May 05 2012 12:15 chaoser wrote: wow...i was wrong about BC/ceph v syllo/palmar... good job scum, you're now on my ignore list as well.[/QUOTE] Lol, your arrogance is astounding. As if you are the only important person in this game that matters and your ignore list is law. I ain't just posting for your benefit bud, I'm posting for everyone to read. | ||
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On May 09 2012 00:07 wherebugsgo wrote: given that you still haven't coughed up a single case that you have promised for 3 days straight, I'm pretty damn confident you're scum and not town. Isn't that what you said of Sheth and VE? Funny how they flipped town and both of them hated your little group. | ||
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On May 09 2012 00:24 slOosh wrote: Then why are you defending the people to be lynched via proposal of this extension plan rather than showing / convincing us that they have a good chance of flipping town? In all mafia games there is no 100% certainty unless you are either scum / power role, yet you would never cite that statistical chance as an excuse not to lynch - why is it different in this case? Am I wrong in interpreting your plan as "let's not lynch multiple people to get more information?" opposed to "let's not lynch multiple people because they have a good chance of flipping town?" Because if multiple people are scummy, why not just lynch them all? And on that note we have all the information we need - we just need the confirmation in forms of flips.[/QUOTE] What should I have shown you? I said MZ isn't mafia and there was no case against him at all. The case was literally syllo saying that MZ posted a weak case on prp and he made "several suspicious claims in PMland". Now al lof a sudden syllo goes back and sees "he's been more active than I previously thought"? Ok lol. | ||
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I guess since now MZ is off the lynching table due to syllo's word that he is townie, I'm on the only one on there. When I flip town, I'm sure they'll blame it on either my play or town being lazy again lol. Their system? No, that's foolproof and 100% correct, it's just the execution of the rest of us that's making town fail so badly. Well first of all, I think there's definitely one person in the WBG/Syllo/Palmar group that's probably mafia. MZ hasn't been scummy at all in my opinion and yet they think he's mafia, that's ridiculous. All of the pushed townie lynches have been people who disagreed with them, then were called scum, and then were angered and pushed to be lynched. It's fucking bullshit. I pretty much gave up after the whole BC thing and then their insisting that everyone follow their lead but then they blame everyone for mistakes they make. They basically wasted day 2...I think out of the three though, Palmar is probably the mafia. WBG had control of round b votes on day one and he could have totally caused a lot of havoc by making people vote in such a way that a multilynch occurred and then blame it one of the people that died. So he's probably not mafia. Out of syllo and palmar, syllo is the one that's trusting palmar and yet palmar has done nothing that's been trustworthy or not anti-town as far as I can see. I can only assume it's something in PMs but even then palmar is scummy as fuck and I think syllo is being blinded to that. I still think ET is mafia due to his changing stance on sandro. HE goes from "I will tunnel you" to "he should be a secondary lynch" to "give him more time". The secondary lynch one was said WHILE sandro was in the majority. His excuse for his change of opinion is "The case on Sandroba is "he's lurking", which isn't very substantial." While he himself criticizes prp for only that, lurking It makes no sense that he would go from "tunnel sandro" to "i'm excusing him cause the only case against him is that he's lurky" while also saying prp is scummy and the only case he can bring against him is...that he is lurky (as he doesn't agree with MZ's meta argument against prp) He also accepts WBG/Syllo/palmar's accusations that people are not contributing or not being a more active participant of the game as being mafia. Which is funny because they use that same argument to admonish town as well. So if they think you're townie and you're not contributing, you're just townie that needs to work harder. If you're someone they think is mafia, they say your not contributing makes you mafia. WTF? So I'm thinking palmar/ET/??? Since sheth wasn't the final mafia, I think its either gonzaw or sloosh, most likely sloosh given his voting pattern with them (always 2-1) and also the fact that radfield didn't do jack shit early game and now he doesn't have to do anything since he's just coasting by cause apparently palmar and syllo think he's town. Aside from that, I definitely think ceph and sandro are mafia. what do you think? | ||
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On May 09 2012 01:25 syllogism wrote: I have never called sloosh confirmed town and even if I was, why are you pushing the notion that I shouldn't consider them town when you aren't suspecting them of being mafia? Word? Cause I heard in PM land from sheth that you said prp and sloosh were confirmed townie. | ||
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And my "fully made case" has always been on ET. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034¤tpage=63#1247 | ||
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On May 09 2012 07:12 Palmar wrote: yeah cause if you bring it out in the thread people might notice you're full of shit. ...I just did? And giving it to WBG is basically giving it to "thread" since he controls the system along with you and syllo...what kind of complaint is that lol | ||
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Is there anything else in your case I should respond to, or is that all the substance you had? Wait...what was the case against me again? | ||
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On May 03 2012 14:40 syllogism wrote: I'm pretty much certain that palmar is town. If he isn't, props to him I suppose but I would put him at 95+% town. lol | ||
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Harimoto team and my team have been in contact for a long time. Hubris indeed lost this game for town. Syllo's complete trust of Palmar and then town's complete trust in gonzaw and ET even though both were really scummy (especially ET, I called the whole harimoto team out and no one cared). popping popcorn was fun though lol. | ||
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GG at Ver for putting that pickture of yokoya and harimoto making an alliance after I told him the two teams were working together to take down town lol | ||
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Also my biggest failure was not saving BC -_-. I realized too late that it doesn't matter if people think you're mafia. The more votes you control as the game goes on, the more likely you were going to survive, especially if people were going for multilynch. With our alliance with Harimoto, had BC been alive, we would have controlled an overwhelming number of votes so that the two teams could save each other. | ||
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On May 26 2012 10:08 gonzaw wrote: Hey chaoser, did you still think ET was scum even after sandro claimed Palmar was scum to you? I still can't believe how lucky Harimoto got and how unlucky we got lol (yeah, some good/bad play was probably mixed in there though). Seriously, I can't believe how everything I planned just turned to shit, like literally (well not literally). I guess it made for good entertainment though Yes. I thought palmar and ET were mafia. Once I found out from sandro that ceph wasn't mafia with him, I knew it was palmar and ET. But by then round b ended and I couldn't very well tell you my reads. | ||
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On May 26 2012 11:10 gonzaw wrote: So you didn't have that conundrum I had then >_> Also, the fact that all 3 of them voted the same on Day 3 didn't make you doubt that read or anything? I hadn't even looked at the voting patterns like ever basically lol. But i was very suspicious of ET. | ||
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