Liar Game Mini Mafia

On April 30 2012 23:13 syllogism wrote:
I can't say I'm even slightly surprised to see you on the wrong side of a decent plan.

This is off-topic, but perhaps you should stop joining games that have non-standard setups if you have no interest in actually figuring out the setup and utilizing it in the way that best benefits the town. That's the whole point.

On April 30 2012 23:30 syllogism wrote:

Because he seems townie enough and the alternative is basically random chance or worse. We aren't going to be able to democratically determine who should be in the minority and who shouldn't in 24 hours, especially on day 1.

On April 30 2012 19:02 Palmar wrote:
Okay, I got it.

So we just force the people we want to lynch to be on the majority side of the thing right? Actually, we should just say "everyone votes YES" unless given an exemption. That way we can just weed out obvious townies and spend the rest of the day figuring out whom to lynch.

Also lynching a lot of people sounds fun.

On May 01 2012 00:27 syllogism wrote:

This is such a ridiculous assertion that I think I know who I will be voting to lynch today. Too late for what? Why do you assume it would take long? And if he is mafia and had given his team mates immunity on previous rounds, wouldn't we just catch them all at once? Don't you think the other team would shoot him anyway? Why is he, as mafia, putting himself in such a spotlight especially given that there is another team that can, presumably, just kill him?

It seems to me your mindset is not that of a townie

On May 01 2012 02:58 syllogism wrote:
Since jubjubs aren't complying with the best plan for day 1, we need to reach consensus on round A voting within a few hours. I think this game would be better with 72 hour days, there is so little time to come up with plans or even contact everyone within 24 hours.

On May 01 2012 03:48 syllogism wrote:
Chaoser do you think Palmar is mafia or not?

On May 01 2012 04:04 syllogism wrote:

Ah yes, the good old "lets attract as much attention as possible and establish an obvious link between each other" strategy in a two scum team game. Do you genuinely believe this?

If palmar was part of a team, by the time we figure it out, it would be too late. Even more so since apparently he's asking people to claim to him.

Even if you think that is a possible mafia strategy, do you think it is a likely one? It makes perfect sense from a town point of view and is exactly what you would expect from town palmar.

On May 01 2012 05:57 syllogism wrote:
Sometimes all it takes is one post to get a solid town read on someone, you should read some guides Ace

On May 01 2012 06:17 Katina wrote:
Palmar thinks his whole "I'm the King, bow down and listen to me" plan is helping then that's pretty scummy or just bad town. It has brought nothing but a distraction to the thread. Everyone has been completely diverted by this plan of giving him all the power. All the time could have been spent looking for the Mafia instead of arguing that "Plan".

It would be ideal for the Mafia to cause this sort of distraction so they can easily hide under the attention that has been directed onto Palmar. In order to make a clear decision when vote time comes around the town needs to start building cases against possible Mafia and not getting sidetracked by such silliness.

A) Having a smaller number players in the majority is more advantageous than having a larger number. This should be self-evident, but the smaller the majority, the better chance town has of keeping townies alive and lynching mafia. Foolishless laid it out quite well earlier.

Prplhz
Cephiro
Sandroba
Viscera Eyes
Mr Wiggles
Meapak_Ziphh
Radfield
Echelon Tee
Liquid`Sheth
Chaoser

On May 01 2012 13:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait, I want to be walked through why "we're" doing a circle-jerk here. I need to know why people think that it's a good idea, and I need to know what they hope to accomplish with it. I've been reading the thread, so please don't ask me to go read it again. I can assure you, I'm reading it as you read this.

I'm preparing a post on who of the available lynches I do not wish to continue playing with and why. I hope everyone, regardless of how they intend to spend their votes, will do the same. Time is short, and I want to be informed.

On May 01 2012 14:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, it looks good with 1 person in the minority - it fails to expand on how to proceed with a minority of like 8 people. All you say on the matter is "See, I told you" which doesn't explain anything chaoser. As far as I'm concerned, with 8 people in the minority, the cycle isn't viable. Am I wrong?

On May 02 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be some sort of reentry into the game for some, so assuming Sand is scum and you guys kill us both, if it's a town-related power, you should bring me back.

I have reads, but I'm holding them hostage until after I flip. Bring me back, and we'll kill all the scums.

They're gooooooooood too.

On May 01 2012 08:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, right now I'd lynch into wherebugsgo, chaoser, syllogism.

That's my story. I'll provide reasoning if any of these players are in the majority in Phase B.

On May 02 2012 01:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
It doesn't matter Sheth - I'm going to be voted off today because I was scumhunting and scum are in power. It's standard operating procedure.

On May 01 2012 15:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually - don't answer that. It doesn't even matter.

I'm giving my votes to Radfield, Sheth, prplhz, Cephiro and MrWiggles. Do whatever the piss you want with that. I'm fine with a Sandroba lynch.

On May 02 2012 07:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
My reads are all very weak because I'm basing them on what I perceive to be what is the best for town, which in this game I'm not sure I even know what the best course of action for town is going to be.

That being said, my scumreads are:

Ace, wherebugsgo, Meapak | | chaoser, Katina, EchelonTee

Don't expect reasoning. It's true, all of my votes are on Sandroba. I feel like he's town and scum are pushing easy mislynches.

I apologize to everyone for my apparent lack of concern for this game, but I've earnestly been playing and trying to find scum regardless of what you may perceive in the thread. But several peoples' attitudes this game (Ace and bugs come to mind) have made this game completely not fun for me to play any longer.

To: wherebugsgo [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: hey
Date: 5/2/12 09:59
i gave my last vote to motbob is great.meapak. sorry for the massf pms haha, i'm just sending messages as i go along

On May 04 2012 10:15 Cephiro wrote:
Flipped a coin and sent in my vote.

Syllo & chaoser please reply to my PMs.

Cephiro: 11 - (chaoser 4, Sheth 4, Radfield 2, Meapak 1) <--- By far the most, now think for a moment how many scum were likely in the minority during D1.

On April 30 2012 15:36 EchelonTee wrote:
@Sandroba: Last time you were town in a PM game you broke the hell out of it; if I don't see similar efforts then it's tunnel city.

On May 02 2012 08:10 EchelonTee wrote:
RE: Sandroba
He hasn't been been his plan-happy self from Space Station Mafia even a little bit, and from what people have been saying about him through PMs, he hasn't been disinterested and apathetic. The only other game I have played with him, TL Mafia L, he was pretty lurky as scum, so this lines up. I was waiting for him to respond to how accusations/post reads of his own (as WBG said he would be doing), but it's been a while now.

I would be fine with him as a secondary lynch, but with VE dumping votes on him I don't see how he will die today. If his busy-ness due to Brazillian parties or whatever is genuine, he now has a chance to step up his play.

On May 04 2012 16:54 EchelonTee wrote:
@chaoser: my opinion of sandroba - voting trends suggest he's town, and in thread he hasn't been significantly more lurky than others, while also hasn't been disruptive. while prplhz has had plenty of time to catch up by now, it's clear sandroba has only had time to be here or there and honestly should've replaced out like Radfield did. will be obvious as hell if he's scum as time goes on, so not at the top of my concern list.

I'm going to hold off on my votes until it's clear how we will get done what we want to get done.

On May 05 2012 04:30 Palmar wrote:
@sheth, just sheep whatever I'm doing, and atm I'm doing whatever syllo is doing, so you should sheep him.

btw, your reads that don't say BC and Ceph are scum are wrong.

On May 05 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote:
btw, you were the first guy in the thread to use the term "pro town", that makes you 100% scum (look it up if you don't trust me).

From: wherebugsgo [ 5458 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: hey
Date: 5/5/12 10:40
can you put votes on ET?

Like all 5

From: wherebugsgo [ 5459 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: hey
Date: 5/5/12 06:48

Anyway, we're getting off the path here. Will you send votes to Foolishness or me? Let me know within the next 4-5 minutes; it's fine if you just send all of them to either one of us

You do realize how easy it would be even for me as a townie to mess that up just to piss you off, or if I felt you were scum?

On May 07 2012 23:36 syllogism wrote:
Who do you think should be killed today, Chaoser? Everything we said about you on day 1 still applies, including what Foolishness said and he has flipped town. Have you been PMing anyone at all? Got logs with meapak and sandroba?

Original Message From Cephiro:
May I know your reasoning for giving me 4 votes during round B?

Original Message From chaoser:
I gave my 4 votes early because of my cycle plan (you were next to me). Sandroba should have been lynched. what do you think of ET?

Original Message From Cephiro:
Okay, thanks for clarifying it up. At the moment ET seems quite okay to me. I currently wouldn't pressure him at all, if he's up to something I'd rather let him think he's safe.

Original Message From chaoser:
Does does that mean? if he seems ok, why would he be "up to something" and why would you want him to "feel safe"?

Original Message From Cephiro:
I'll try to make it easy:

For now I'm ok with him = I don't think he is a threat = I am not currently getting very much scumvibes off him

Being up to something IF he happened to be scum. That is still a possibility, although currently I do not find it likely. It's better for me if the scum thinks that they haven't been found, and then I can come and flip my tables.

Original Message From chaoser:
Who are your scum reads then? What do you think of BC and sandro? What about palmar and syllo?

From: Cephiro [ 480 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Liar Game
Date: 5/4/12 11:00
BC is fine, I don't really like sandros play atm, I think syllo is town but something just seems wrong about their duo/buddyplay. Needless to say I don't like Palmar atm either.

On May 08 2012 00:12 syllogism wrote:
You don't seriously buy a claim from trolling mafia? How does it make sense at all for him to play survivor like that? Seems to me you are only believing it because it fits your agenda

On May 08 2012 00:32 syllogism wrote:
Of course, you are the one who is building our strategy around a likely fake claim/joke

On May 08 2012 00:40 syllogism wrote:
Palmar implied that cephiro claimed that he is a survivor with kp, which he sort of did with his jackpot comment. Anyway, you are still building our strategy around an unlikely scenario. We've our own theories as to why there has been only one KP every night and they seem more likely than there being a survivor who can basically claim on day 1 and then just tell town to direct his KP

On May 06 2012 14:28 slOosh wrote:
Oh. I suppose a 3rd party w/ 1KP playing survivor is possible. Yea that makes more sense than town vig with multiple shots hitting townies / multiple vigs.

On May 08 2012 00:12 syllogism wrote:
You don't seriously buy a claim from trolling mafia? How does it make sense at all for him to play survivor like that? Seems to me you are only believing it because it fits your agenda

On May 08 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote:
So we don't kill them not because they have a good chance of flipping townies but in order to extract more information?

On May 03 2012 18:32 Palmar wrote:
The Ace kill was probably an attempt to kill scum, in any case it's probably helpful to us.

I don't think a plan like gonzaw's is going to work at this point in the game, simply because now we have some pretty solid opinions about who we want to lynch. Do you think BC is going to comply with the plan if he's voted to be in the majority?

The whole reason why my plan could've worked on day 1 is not because it allows us to specifically kill a certain player, it's because it allowed us to sort of figure out what people were doing and thinking while narrowing the pool of potential players to be lynched. The whole point was that we were not set in on whom we were going to lynch. Today, there is simply no way the prime suspects are going to comply with a plan, they'll just attempt to be in the minority at all costs.

I think we're going to have to randomize our answers.

His activity has also drastically dropped when it became apparent palmar/me/wbg and foolishness got control of the game. You defending him for no reason only serves to increase our suspicions as chaoser/meapak team makes quite a bit of sense.

On May 08 2012 01:59 syllogism wrote:
Feel free to make a case on someone who can be lynched today, other than sheth of course.

On May 08 2012 02:08 syllogism wrote:
Oh so you think one mafia team went 0-3 or 0-2 last night? Weren't you saying foolishness style voting analysis would be useful

On May 08 2012 02:08 syllogism wrote:
Oh so you think one mafia team went 0-3 or 0-2 last night? Weren't you saying foolishness style voting analysis would be useful

On May 08 2012 13:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
also, since it feels like I am virtually the only townie who cares about winning, I'd appreciate it if some of you stopped being lazy assholes and actually did something for a change.

I cannot be right about everything and I need different opinions in order to find scum. The game feels "too easy" because no one is doing anything, so there's an inherent bias in wanting to kill the people who are the most useless/anti town.

At this point since that's almost everyone I'm starting to go insanely paranoid.

On May 01 2012 08:16 Ace wrote:
K so the plan just needs a majority of Town to give up their individual brilliance, sheep a Yes/No vote and form a new pool of suspects: Except the method of creating this pool should be determined by 1 player.

Sounds awesome. Where do I sign up?

I see a distinct lack of sloosh/prplhz. So are you saying that you think they are mafia after all? Are you going to produce that case on ET tonight? Tomorrow? Ever? I asked sheth/meapak/you to make a case on someone and none of you have.

Are you going to produce that case on ET tonight? Tomorrow? Ever? I asked sheth/meapak/you to make a case on someone and none of you have.

On May 08 2012 23:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
n does as well and not buy into palmar/syllo group.

On May 05 2012 12:15 chaoser wrote:
wow...i was wrong about BC/ceph v syllo/palmar...

On May 09 2012 00:07 wherebugsgo wrote:


given that you still haven't coughed up a single case that you have promised for 3 days straight, I'm pretty damn confident you're scum and not town.

On May 09 2012 00:24 slOosh wrote:
Then why are you defending the people to be lynched via proposal of this extension plan rather than showing / convincing us that they have a good chance of flipping town? In all mafia games there is no 100% certainty unless you are either scum / power role, yet you would never cite that statistical chance as an excuse not to lynch - why is it different in this case? Am I wrong in interpreting your plan as "let's not lynch multiple people to get more information?" opposed to "let's not lynch multiple people because they have a good chance of flipping town?" Because if multiple people are scummy, why not just lynch them all?

Well first of all, I think there's definitely one person in the WBG/Syllo/Palmar group that's probably mafia. MZ hasn't been scummy at all in my opinion and yet they think he's mafia, that's ridiculous. All of the pushed townie lynches have been people who disagreed with them, then were called scum, and then were angered and pushed to be lynched. It's fucking bullshit. I pretty much gave up after the whole BC thing and then their insisting that everyone follow their lead but then they blame everyone for mistakes they make. They basically wasted day 2...I think out of the three though, Palmar is probably the mafia. WBG had control of round b votes on day one and he could have totally caused a lot of havoc by making people vote in such a way that a multilynch occurred and then blame it one of the people that died. So he's probably not mafia. Out of syllo and palmar, syllo is the one that's trusting palmar and yet palmar has done nothing that's been trustworthy or not anti-town as far as I can see. I can only assume it's something in PMs but even then palmar is scummy as fuck and I think syllo is being blinded to that.

I still think ET is mafia due to his changing stance on sandro. HE goes from "I will tunnel you" to "he should be a secondary lynch" to "give him more time". The secondary lynch one was said WHILE sandro was in the majority.

His excuse for his change of opinion is "The case on Sandroba is "he's lurking", which isn't very substantial." While he himself criticizes prp for only that, lurking





It makes no sense that he would go from "tunnel sandro" to "i'm excusing him cause the only case against him is that he's lurky" while also saying prp is scummy and the only case he can bring against him is...that he is lurky (as he doesn't agree with MZ's meta argument against prp)

He also accepts WBG/Syllo/palmar's accusations that people are not contributing or not being a more active participant of the game as being mafia. Which is funny because they use that same argument to admonish town as well. So if they think you're townie and you're not contributing, you're just townie that needs to work harder. If you're someone they think is mafia, they say your not contributing makes you mafia. WTF?

So I'm thinking palmar/ET/???

Since sheth wasn't the final mafia, I think its either gonzaw or sloosh, most likely sloosh given his voting pattern with them (always 2-1) and also the fact that radfield didn't do jack shit early game and now he doesn't have to do anything since he's just coasting by cause apparently palmar and syllo think he's town.

Aside from that, I definitely think ceph and sandro are mafia.

what do you think?

On May 09 2012 01:25 syllogism wrote:

I have never called sloosh confirmed town and even if I was, why are you pushing the notion that I shouldn't consider them town when you aren't suspecting them of being mafia?

On May 09 2012 07:12 Palmar wrote:
yeah cause if you bring it out in the thread people might notice you're full of shit.

Is there anything else in your case I should respond to, or is that all the substance you had?

On May 03 2012 14:40 syllogism wrote:
I'm pretty much certain that palmar is town. If he isn't, props to him I suppose but I would put him at 95+% town.

On May 26 2012 10:08 gonzaw wrote:
Hey chaoser, did you still think ET was scum even after sandro claimed Palmar was scum to you?


I still can't believe how lucky Harimoto got and how unlucky we got lol (yeah, some good/bad play was probably mixed in there though).

Seriously, I can't believe how everything I planned just turned to shit, like literally (well not literally). I guess it made for good entertainment though

On May 26 2012 11:10 gonzaw wrote:



So you didn't have that conundrum I had then >_>

Also, the fact that all 3 of them voted the same on Day 3 didn't make you doubt that read or anything?