EPTand have you teamed up with the other team you bots?
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
and have you teamed up with the other team you bots? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18004 Posts
Additionally, he was almost certainly right about Erandorr. Sure, that could be his cover story before he starts creating mayhem, but it's pretty easy: you've been acting scummy, he hasn't. We also don't have to "confirm" his DT claim, because we actually gave him the power in the first place. That leaves him lying about his claim and possible framer/miller. For that, we revert back to looking at your filter. Yup, still scum. Now just go die in a corner. If you were really town, you'd bother getting your reads out there, so that when you're dead, we can use any insightful information you left behind. Instead your only action was to print a giant O_o face and troll. Town to the max! I wish my personal lynch was instant, then we could be rid of you. | ||
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Acrofales
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Anyway acro who else are you lynching? | ||
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Acrofales
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I don't know yet. Bluelightz is still an option. All that vig power seems totally unlikely. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18004 Posts
On May 18 2012 09:26 Bluelightz wrote: Adressing all this shit: Firstly, I shot scum and third party with my hits. P-Body = His post's were muddying everyone's filter's, he was an annoyance basically. Quicksilver = So, his pictures we're basically annoying and he was just trolling at the end of his filter. Why didn't I shoot Mattchew? I didn't shoot him as my hit's would be wasted as y'know he inherited the knight role. Command my shot anything, I'm town and I will defend myself till the last second (If I'm awake that is :p) Yes, you shot scum and 3rd party. That makes the kills excellent kills for town, but it doesn't mean they were done by a townie. Did you breadcrumb any of this beforehand? As far as I can see you have made 1 post in which you agitated against P-Body and your last mention of QS7 is from the start of D1. Mind posting the chatlogs with Kurumi in which you claim to have roleclaimed? For vigis who want to live, we are going to need some kind of plan. Carolus, S&B and bluelightz claim vigi and the only one with actual confirmation of that is Carolus. I think it's entirely possible that mafiosi are claiming mafia kills as vigi hits. Personally, I cannot imagine what possible reason there is to give town 3 vigis, so I find it extremely likely S&B and bluelightz are lying (or at least one of the two is). Assassin could be used as a mafia goon just as well as it can be a vigi. Drazerk insists on mafia having standard KP rules, because "Caller is too lazy to do maths", but if that's the case, mafia KP just doesn't add up for such a big game. Therefore the assassins can be scum goons. However, I don't have much of a scum read on S&B aside from his roleclaim, which leaves bluelightz. I already made the case and you haven't responded. At the time I made the case it was just to show people I cared enough to look at your filter. Now that Mattchew has died, I have to admit that you could also be red team scum: Mattchew was incredibly bus happy and your spat with him does not seem unlikely at all. You could also be blue team as per the case. Your behaviour has not helped town. You've sheeped Carolus rather than stand up for your own opinion (if you had actually pushed your lynch we may have actually killed Mattchew D2, who knows?) and have not actually done anything of value (except apparently shoot people at night). | ||
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Carolus Magnus
France172 Posts
On May 18 2012 16:36 Acrofales wrote: @Carolus: how did you know Quatol was Palmar? He specifically said something intended to give away his identity to me | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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Acrofales
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1. QS7 On May 10 2012 19:55 syllogism wrote: Are you serious? Please elaborate. Quicksilver is actually a decent candidate for either position, but I'm not going to explain why, deal with it At this point in time, Quicksilver had posted a load of trolly gifs and this: On May 10 2012 15:00 QuickSilver7 wrote: Carolus I tried to marry you although idk if it worked. So basically we're voting and waiting for the start of day 1 yes? I disagreed that anything he had done in the thread was in any way shape or form an indication of his alignment, but maybe he had said something in their marriage. Right? On May 18 2012 08:25 Carolus Magnus wrote: No, we barely talked as we weren't suspecting him until the first blue flip and by that time we weren't very interested in the game anymore. Wrong. All we have from Carolus on how QS7 was in any way shape or form townie on May 10 at 8 pm is his later justification: On May 14 2012 19:12 Carolus Magnus wrote: I will not elaborate since I don't have to, but suffice to say that mafia are much less likely than townies to offer to mason us. He also helped us push the maju case so you don't really have a reason to doubt him at this stage. Since QS7 actually did flip scum, this makes Carolus rather badly wrong. QS7, btw, was happy to take full advantage of that: On May 17 2012 06:59 QuickSilver7 wrote: Acro when I get killed because I claimed before the deadline I'd like you to give my gun to Carolus. This is neither here nor there. Final thought regarding QS7: if Carolus thought he was town, then why not use the power of masonry to consolidate reads (like Hassy, Drazerk and myself are doing). Or... was it unnecessary to use the mason with QS7 due to a shared ScumQT? 2. Quatol On May 12 2012 00:36 Carolus Magnus wrote: @Matt I'm not claiming credit, I just want to get this dude lynched. I don't care about BL, I went through his filter and I'm not convinced he is scum. @BL Lay off quatol, he is my bitch. Go vote maju instead. This one is still somewhat justified, he wanted the Maju case to get rolling. On May 16 2012 02:39 Carolus Magnus wrote: Quatol is basically a null read for me, him trolling and not playing isn't a clear indication of him being mafia But BagManager trolling was a clear indication of scum. A few more, for good order: On May 17 2012 05:09 Carolus Magnus wrote: I don't think quatol is a good target And blam. Quatol flips blue as well (not that anybody could really know beforehand, but he did not warrant defending any more than BagManager warranted attacking: both their filters consist entirely of troll posts. The only distinction between the two is given by this: On May 17 2012 08:26 Carolus Magnus wrote: Quatol was palmar, which is why I didn't think he was mafia. I didn't think he would be this much of an asshole to his team and he had just played a similar troll town game in LIV, but apparently I was wrong. And that is why it is important to know how Syllo knew Quatol was Palmar. Could it be the ScumQT? In the thread I have seen a number of posts that are, according to experts, indicative of Palmar's style. However Zelblade weedled this out of Caller: 3[21:18] * Caller (webchat@38.125.39.147) has joined #TLMafia [21:18] <Caller> haiguyz whats going on [21:30] <@Palmar> Nothing, as usual [21:32] <Caller> palmar are u smurfing in my game [21:33] <@Palmar> yeah [21:34] <Caller> kk i thot so [21:35] <Caller> is qatol smurfing also? [21:35] <@Palmar> no idea 01[21:41] <zelblade> palmar are u quatol [21:42] <Caller> i can confirm he isn't [21:42] <Caller> im going now bai 02[21:42] * Caller (webchat@38.125.39.147) Quit (Quit: Page closed) Hassy seemed to recall Syllo or Sandroba being in the channel at the time. So how was he still so confident Palmar = Quatol? 3. prplhz Granted. This part of the case should probably wait until prplhz actually dies and flips blue, but I am 99.999999999999999999999% certain that will actually happen, so lets look that shit over. The first real mention of prplhz in Carolus' filter is when the red check has happened, so the link is clearly more tenuous than on the other two. However, the other way round we have this: On May 10 2012 23:57 prplhz wrote: So what? Scum wouldn't openly oppose Carolus Magnus, only dumb townies. On May 11 2012 19:38 prplhz wrote: Okay back in the game. Carolus Magnus looks pretty town so do whatever the fuck he tells you to. I have no idea why he isn't Emperor but that's probably because scum boosted Acrofales or whatever. Hassybaby as Empress and we know nothing about him. I voted Carolus Magnus/Acrofales as I already said. Somebody had a spreadsheet and they should update that. Anyway, I hope all of you have a nice day!  On May 13 2012 03:45 prplhz wrote: Acrofales, you kind of need to do whatever the fuck Carolus Magnus says you should with your lynch or you need to make a compelling case. There's also a fair share of "Carolus made a flaky case on Maju" and "not putting any effort into the game", but particularly this last post jumps out at me. Why would a scum prplhz want me to do whatever the fuck a town Carolus wants me to do. Surely he thinks a Sandro/Syllo hydra pair is better at hunting him and his teammates than Acro the newbie emperor? 4. Circumstantial evidence
Now I myself am not a big fan of this case: I don't like the tentative connections and the circumstantial evidence is weak. However, there are just too many coincidences here. It's entirely possible that Carolus has been duped by blue scum and they've been happily buddying up to him, but how many coincidences can occur until it stops being a coincidence? I want the rest of town's input on this before I consider lynching him with the royal lynch. I still think bluelightz is a better option. I'm just a lot more scared of a scum Carolus than a scum bluelightz and want this shit discussed. | ||
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Carolus Magnus
France172 Posts
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Acrofales
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Carolus Magnus
France172 Posts
We weren't "duped" anymore than you were and the difference was you were actually reading the thread unlike we. Yawn. | ||
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Acrofales
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On May 18 2012 19:14 Carolus Magnus wrote: Rather badly wrong? That's pretty rich coming from someone who gave an infinite bullet vig to mafia You want to say you were NOT rather badly wrong? I was also rather badly wrong! My reasons for giving assassin to QS7: 1. He nailed shut Maju's coffin. 2. I knew (suspected heavily) that you were married to him. I was leaning town on you and figured you would have flushed out any scum in private convo. Your conviction in his townieness was part of the reason I trusted him. 3. I thought you would be NK'd, knight or not, and that would just give the assassin role to him anyway. 4. I didn't want to consolidate all the power on our imperial highnesses in case scum staged a coupe. 5. The only other town reads I was confident enough in to give an infinite bullet vigi role to were Zelblade (already a scum NK target) and Drazerk, who I was expecting to die in the line of duty in N1, didn't, so figured it would happen N2. PS. That's deflection. Acknowledge you were rather badly wrong, because you were. | ||
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Carolus Magnus
France172 Posts
Again, as I have told you, you are wasting your time because we can just protect our DT tonight, so mafia will have to either shoot us or the DT will verify us as town. | ||
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Carolus Magnus
France172 Posts
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Carolus Magnus
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Acrofales
Spain18004 Posts
On May 18 2012 19:23 Carolus Magnus wrote: As a tip, you really need to cut the fluff or things that clearly don't make sense from your cases, as it makes you look suspicious. Attacking us for setup speculation is laughable as if there is anything we consistently do in every single game it is setup speculate/make plans/attempt to break setups. None of the things you have said even remotely point towards us or any other player being mafia. The case reads like someone wanting to look good afterwards in case we actually were mafia. Again, as I have told you, you are wasting your time because we can just protect our DT tonight, so mafia will have to either shoot us or the DT will verify us as town. Yeah, I know you do a lot of setup speculation (particularly Sandro... didn't know Syllo did that too). That's why it's in "weak circumstantial evidence". The reason I post a case that I acknowledge is weak is because this thread is dead. The suspicions I have on everybody else are readily available in my filter. It's not meant to get you lynched: I don't need a case for that, I can just royally lynch you in the face. If you flip scum, I don't need a shoddy case to look good. The case is meant to make people think. It's meant to draw attention to what is happening. It's meant to make people, including yourself TALK about you. The reason I want this is because I am no longer sure about your townieness. Reading your filter seems townie, but all the circumstantial evidence piling on is suspect. THAT's why I built a case. I could've gone around saying "Yo Zelblade, what's your opinion of Carolus?", but this way I throw out the centerpiece for the conversation and hope people react. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On May 18 2012 17:33 Acrofales wrote: Yes, you shot scum and 3rd party. That makes the kills excellent kills for town, but it doesn't mean they were done by a townie. Did you breadcrumb any of this beforehand? As far as I can see you have made 1 post in which you agitated against P-Body and your last mention of QS7 is from the start of D1. Mind posting the chatlogs with Kurumi in which you claim to have roleclaimed? For vigis who want to live, we are going to need some kind of plan. Carolus, S&B and bluelightz claim vigi and the only one with actual confirmation of that is Carolus. I think it's entirely possible that mafiosi are claiming mafia kills as vigi hits. Personally, I cannot imagine what possible reason there is to give town 3 vigis, so I find it extremely likely S&B and bluelightz are lying (or at least one of the two is). Assassin could be used as a mafia goon just as well as it can be a vigi. Drazerk insists on mafia having standard KP rules, because "Caller is too lazy to do maths", but if that's the case, mafia KP just doesn't add up for such a big game. Therefore the assassins can be scum goons. However, I don't have much of a scum read on S&B aside from his roleclaim, which leaves bluelightz. I already made the case and you haven't responded. At the time I made the case it was just to show people I cared enough to look at your filter. Now that Mattchew has died, I have to admit that you could also be red team scum: Mattchew was incredibly bus happy and your spat with him does not seem unlikely at all.ho You could also be blue team as per the case. Your behaviour has not helped town. You've sheeped Carolus rather than stand up for your own opinion (if you had actually pushed your lynch we may have actually killed Mattchew D2, who knows?) and have not actually done anything of value (except apparently shoot people at night). can you explain this? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18004 Posts
I don't need to explain anything to you, scum. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On May 18 2012 20:54 Acrofales wrote: I don't need to explain anything to you, scum. so that's a no thought so | ||
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