TL Mafia LIV

On April 27 2012 05:41 Nisani201 wrote:
I wonder what would happen if I hydra'd with Sinani...

On May 03 2012 09:06 l10f wrote:
Hey guys, I'm town this game ^____________^




Who do you think actually deserves it then? Not many people have posted yet, not too many people to blame. You've just stood out among the few~ Doesn't mean you're mafia, every discussion helps though!

On May 03 2012 22:35 Zealos wrote:
Hi guys, I'm at work, and a BLU soldier :3
I'll post something useful when I get home.

On May 03 2012 23:26 froggynoddy wrote:



Though I sympathise with the thought process I'm pretty sure we should lynch whoever we feel is most scummy, that means taking into consideration lurkiness/quality of posting. Killing someone based on their meta is equally as flawed as letting someone live because of their meta. I'm not saying don't use it as a factor, just to bare in mind that the 'lynch a bad townie' logic is wrong and every game I've played where this has happened has ended in tears.

On May 04 2012 02:05 layabout wrote:
2 hours ago i wrote this down and then alt tabbed:


My updated thoughts:

Why did i just read all of that?

That was nonsense.
+ the new stuff is nonsense too

On May 04 2012 02:17 layabout wrote:

You have't done anything of worth with any of your posts, you are posting one-liners here and there to put pressure on people. voting for BM and ken (in this thread) was basically a waste of time and yet you follow up on it by saying that you are tying to help "out our blue roles". This is a rather poor way to post since if any player that roll blue is likely to at least think about using their role and any player that can use the search function or even just reach the TL mafia homepage should be able to acess guides which render your advice worthless. You also try to push a scumsclip which is somewhere between foolish and misleading to town. You also write "for people who think that i am just spamming" which implies that you think you are spamming. And yet you continue to do so.

On May 04 2012 02:44 layabout wrote:

Why are you being so presumptuous?

I never claimed to be making a contribution. It was my way of expressing my disappointment in each and every one of you.

On May 04 2012 04:15 grush57 wrote:


Common atleast my useless posts are funny unlike yours. Plus, you didn't understand the situation of that game I played(I'm the same role this game too).

Anyways, I'm not sure what to make of the last 3 pages. It is full of useless posts and spam and Bill Murray didn't even start yet.
Several posts saying nothing except that "I'm town, trust me i gotta go.... eat?" (Like this post except im not hungry atm :D)

For my reasoning of Katina vote, the game just started and blazinghand was accusing Katina for his scumminess, and I agreed so I voted for him, plus I wanted to get the ball rolling. Granted, I realize now this was a dumbshit move that was scummy,and that is my horrible reasoning for it. If you don't like it, Sorry.

I would vote you blubbdavid, but I have enough people witchhunting me now.(And I didn't even rage on ladder how unlucky am I?)
Though, I could just filter and quote everything and that would get the job done.

On May 05 2012 00:16 Nova_Terra wrote:
2. Just wrong, I can have scumreads that i do not feel should be posted until i can get more infos to back them up. as i do.

On May 05 2012 00:21 Nova_Terra wrote:

Post a solid statement, not pretty much agree with someone and rephrase their stuff. Also i find this funny


Just lol

On May 05 2012 01:47 marvellosity wrote:


Who would you favour lynching at the moment, sir?

On May 05 2012 02:18 layabout wrote:

@ Mementoss i am listening to a song called "no brains"

Shit I thought might get you to claim scum

On May 05 2012 02:18 layabout wrote:

@ Mementoss i am listening to a song called "no brains"

On April 27 2012 23:22 layabout wrote:
With any luck i will roll pyro and then play this song on a loop every time and all of the time that i am in the thread
+ Show Spoiler +
just like i do in team fortress.

On May 05 2012 06:42 grush57 wrote:
Yes but he said he has no [i][solid/i] scum reads. He was just the most scummiest person.

On May 05 2012 06:47 blubbdavid wrote:
If it takes 14 to lynch, then I will change my vote.

On May 06 2012 00:24 blubbdavid wrote:
Now that I have looked through some filters, I retract my suspicions on NT and want to point out Mementoss:
First of all, I have played some games with Mementoss, and the uncaring behaviour of his

does absolutely not match with his townplay. As townie, he is one of the leaders who gets quickly killed off by scum.
That what he is pulling of is definitely not townlike.

Many of his posts are useless one-liners, and those which are not have almost no content and are wishywashy. A big analysis is not necessary, you can see his lack of real contributions for yourself.

layabout and mementoss are now my biggest scum suspects.

On May 06 2012 06:49 Blazinghand wrote:


There are no mafia Vigis-- and a pyro wouldn't be able to kill someone until N2.

On May 03 2012 08:04 layabout wrote:
I just want to warn all of the "area 53" guys that policy lynching is no better an option in this game than it ever was before. I know that a few of you are currently feeling like we should place all lurkers and confusing posters into the fire. But the majority of those players will be town and lynching into them is likely to kill (admittedly useless) townies.
.

On May 05 2012 02:18 layabout wrote:

since we still have no real candidate
##vote Bill Murray
reasons:
anti-town when town
anti-town when scum
lurks a lot
when he is active he is disruptive

This is a policy lynch.

On May 05 2012 05:10 layabout wrote:
Katina has made posts indicative of intelligence.

I do not think we should lynch katina.

On May 06 2012 00:55 layabout wrote:
we should kill Palmar tomorrow

On May 05 2012 05:53 marvellosity wrote:


Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment.

On May 05 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote:


I'm not sure you deserve an answer if you're not going to spell my name right.

At the moment Nova looks the scummiest for reasons already expanded upon by others. The fact that so little of anything has occurred today makes Nova's stance that he doesn't want to air his tentative reads all the worse.

On May 05 2012 05:04 marvellosity wrote:


Your analysis on Katina's 'lie' seems to be sound enough, the problem I have with it is that Katina generally has quite an odd posting style, so I'm not sure how much I should make of it, especially as the post in question was aimed at renowned finger-pointer BlazingHand.

On May 06 2012 07:25 marvellosity wrote:
Mementoss: cba to do a particularly long defence, but a) you've seen what I'm like before I get going in a game b) I didn't say Katina looked like scum, I said DYH's reasoning was sound but gave the reasons for my misgivings, c) I stated that Nova's scumminess lay in the fact he hadn't pushed his 'tentative' scumreads, + already explained how this did not put him into the scum category for me.

But carry on dear... you never really got over BH's tunnelling of me last game, did you?

P.S. Question for you and all of you

1) do you think layabout is a fairly intelligent reasoned player?
if yes, proceed to 2
2) do you think layabout scum would make the mistake of not advocating policy lynch and then making one on BM?

Personally my answer is no, which is why I am not comfortable on his case

On May 07 2012 02:31 PaqMan wrote:


Sinensis I'd like to see your reads.

On May 07 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote:
JW hasn't posted in 24 hours.
KP hasn't posted in 24 hours.
Eiiii hasn't posted in 24 hours.
PPanda hasn't posted in over 36 hours.
Froggy hasn't posted in over 48 hours.
NT hasn't posted in nearly 24 hours.

I mention this because it's literally impossible all 6 of you are scum. AT LEAST 3 of you are town players who are actively hurting town. OW

OW

OW OW


stop hurting town

stop it

stop

omg why aren't you posting

On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote:
Next, Kenpachi
Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say
Vote: Kenpachi

On May 07 2012 05:11 Nova_Terra wrote:

because i am town

On May 07 2012 05:19 Nova_Terra wrote:

No, Im trying to at least stay alive and make sense in my lynch targets until i have the time for something majorly useful

On May 07 2012 05:46 Nova_Terra wrote:
Marv seems good at posting early 1 liners and then aggressively onto easy and profitable bandwagons. he is one of my top scumreads that i had earlier

On May 07 2012 22:07 froggynoddy wrote:
EBWOP: was reading through blubb's and then NT's filter's, (NT's attack of him seems odd: did he explain wtf he meant by that?!?) as former being your vote and the latter having the most votes. I'd rather blub defended himself as it will give us more to work with but a lot of what you've said, Laya, seem to be a criticism of blubb's Day 1 vote logic, which as we all know is bound to be weak. Most of our votes were bound to be wrong, and all of our logic to be hugely flawed due to limited evidence.

On May 08 2012 03:24 DoYouHas wrote:
We have a tight race between 2(3) candidates and less than 3 hours left in the day. Where has everybody gone?

On May 08 2012 07:16 PaqMan wrote:


So you're telling me that I should have taken my vote off someone I think is scum and sheep/wagonhop/board the train on someone I didn't think was that much scummy? No thanks, I want to win.

I made a case, the only problem was that it was 11 at night, I had to wake up early to take a college exam, and had class the rest of the day. Obviously I didn't have time to push it.

layabout your hard defense of kenpachi is yucky. Also, he's allowed to purposely play anti-town just because he's KP? (Sounds familiar, BM @ LIII)
layabout isn't that the reason you pushed BM's lynch? Yeah don't even get on my ass about KP.

I don't believe that he's been sooooooo busy to play, yet he's spamming the thread with so many 1-liners and "coincidentally" shows up after I put out my case on him and vote. I also don't believe that he's asked for a replacement because, guess what, there isn't anyone signed up to be a replacement.

I didn't waste my vote. I didn't think NT was that much scummy anymore and I'm not going to lynch someone that I'm not confident is scum.
If I was scum I could have easily left my vote on him, especially since I was THE FIRST PERSON TO EVEN VOTE NT, and I could have easily gotten away with it.
Kenpachi's my scummiest read and if pressuring him makes me scum, that's coolbeans. I just wont understand your logic.

On May 08 2012 07:22 PaqMan wrote:
We all need to seriously look into everyone that joined the blubb wagon, starting with right after DYH posted his big case on him.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187&currentpage=44#872

On May 09 2012 01:34 layabout wrote:
I am just gonna hope i get shot so i don't have to explain myself.
Again.

I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.
I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself.

On May 09 2012 04:50 froggynoddy wrote:


This is so stupid. People should not be able commit to a game if this happens half way through.

On May 09 2012 10:19 PaqMan wrote:
Mementoss: What do you think of layabout and my case against him. You didn't make any mention of it.

On May 07 2012 21:48 layabout wrote:
If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them.

On May 10 2012 01:14 Blazinghand wrote:
I used to have this awesomely durable flip phone. I legitimately used it to pound in nails once. Now I have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, and I've traded the hammerkind attribute for being able to read/post on TL anywhere. A fair trade. So, I guess while we're here, got any questions for me Mementoss?

On May 10 2012 02:00 Eiii wrote:
Oh, I should probably post this, too: I'm going to be voting for layabout. Obviously I wasn't convinced of his townieness yesterday and the flips only reinforced that suspicion!

On May 10 2012 06:44 marvellosity wrote:


Who are you favouring for the lynch after the activity in the last few pages?

On May 11 2012 04:45 marvellosity wrote:
Well, the last couple of pages with grush for starters. I want to know I'm not being stupid getting angry at him. Everything he posts seems scummy as fuck to me right now.

Also the fact that everyone voting for layabout seem to have just disappeared off the face of the earth approaching lynch-time, and he's set to be lynched.

On May 11 2012 05:30 Blazinghand wrote:
So from what I can tell NT is throwing away his vote on Panda presently. However, Grush has never made a case. The fact that layabout has voted him makes me not want to vote him, but it's possible there's a bus going on.

Having examined grush's filter and finding 0 pro-town posting, I am willing to vote grush instead of N_T, but only if there's no chance of getting N_T lynched. Is anyone else around?

On May 11 2012 05:54 layabout wrote:
these players have, in some way or another made me think that they are town.
Mementoss
marvellosity
PaqMan
Sinensis
ghost_403
Nova_Terra
Blazinghand
froggynoddy
the order means nothing, some of these i am sure are town whilst i have doubts about a few of them.

On May 11 2012 08:22 PaqMan wrote:


Ghost is dead..

On May 11 2012 08:24 PaqMan wrote:
@MT if you think I'm scum then push a case against me. You keep making idle comments on how you think I'm scummy but you aren't putting forth anything.

On May 11 2012 20:22 froggynoddy wrote:


As much as this list puts me in a good light this is plain stupid, all scum have to do is hit the bottom half of the table that isnt them and they hugely increase their chance of winning, we are still ahead, lets hunt scum not use some hald-arsed policy lynch (which is essentially what this is). Not only that but the fact that you've posted this during the night, thus feeding them essentially a priority list. The only person who is pretty much confirmed town to the rest of us is BH (the only situation I can see where he is not is that he is bomber... but I don't know if one could place a bomb and detonate the same day... regardless this possibility is like less than 1% IMO), l10F, rather than make a list, make a detailed case of Eiii and Marv (your top two scum reads), and if either of you is town... MAKE AN EFFORT TO DISPUTE THAT CASE!!

The main reason I think Grush and/or NT are most likely to flip scum is that they have been absolutely terrible at arguing against a case that has been presented to them (as well due to as the cases themselves). This, more than lurking (I would say) is hurting town the most as if you were town you would wnat town's energies to be diverted onto a more valid target. One of the goals of any townie is too make sure that if a case is put against you that you dismiss it allowing town to focus on a valid target. No-one has done this apart from layabout (and we lynched him -_-). Either you are scum that cannot defend a case brought against you or you are wasting town's energy and time (which is starting to become a more serious factor) by not adequately defending yourselves.

On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote:
Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town.

1. Eiii
2. marvellosity
3. grush57
4. papapanda
5. PaqMan
6. Nova_Terra
7. Sinensis
8. l10f
9. Mementoss
10. froggynoddy
11. Blazinghand

Let's just lynch in this order and win?

On April 27 2012 03:32 l10f wrote:
/in if you'll have me, I'll be pretty much free for the next 2 weeks.

Or I could play with Mattchew.

On May 08 2012 08:28 l10f wrote:


At least I voted for scum.

Sorry I missed the deadline to vote, but neither N_T or blubb looked scummier than Eiii to me, so I wouldn't have known which of the two to vote for even if I was here.

Especially with that last second switch that makes no sense...

On May 09 2012 12:31 l10f wrote:






1 day less!

Just saying, I don't think N_T is scum. I think a better lynch candidate will be...

marvellosity!

He's pretty much attacked every "easy" targets including BM, papa, me, N_T, (a little bit) blubb, and johnny. Protected Kenpachi and Katina, and he gets very defensive even at a one line poke at the side. Including all these quotes would make my post unnecessarily big, but I'm pretty confident on marv being scum.

On May 09 2012 12:32 l10f wrote:
What I mean to say about N_T being scum is, he's been too easy to push on both days, and if I'm right about marv, he jumped onto N_T vote fairly early and didn't switch to blubb. He must have known that they are both town!

I guess that really falls apart if marv flips blue though!

On May 09 2012 12:34 l10f wrote:
Also, I'm reading this thread often, I just don't post if I don't have anything to add to the discussion. I'm not really good at picking out many scum, but I think I'm pretty good at weighing other people's cases and using them to deduce who the scum is, so I just read all the cases and vote for the person I think is the most scummy. Neither N_T or blubb gave me that feeling last day, so I voted for neither. Again, I don't feel N_T is scum so I'm holding my vote for now. If we don't get a better candidate I'm gonna go with my gut feeling and vote marv.

On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote:


Posting his reads on me != wanting me to be investigated.

You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum.

Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely.

On May 11 2012 22:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Also the idea that I'm somehow scum is utterly preposterous. Scum N1 at best had an extra half-KP. Typical Hatters either can't manually detonate their bombs, or must do so via action on a subsequent night. The Mafia Vigi has only 0.5 KP, and although it is technically possible that Mafia had 2 Vigis, 2 of the 3 Mafia players had to be sending in the night kills N1, which means at most one Mafia player had a free action that night.

On May 11 2012 22:33 marvellosity wrote:
Mementoss, a question for you - in the event of an NT/l10f scumteam, the thing that strikes me is Nova's post saying that lynching down the list was a good idea. Do you think they'd do that as a scumpair?

On May 12 2012 01:35 l10f wrote:
The mafia is winning. We haven't had a single good lynch and I'm sure they've led the mislynches we had so far. We've had no sign of DT or medic. We still don't have a single solid scumread on anyone. If we keep arguing about if its A or B, the scumteam will just tip the balance towards their victory every day. We as town need to consolidate our vote so 2 votes won't affect anything.

So whatever we do, effectively it'll just be a list of scummy people and lynching #1 on that list. I made it easier for us and made one in a completely town point of view. If you think my list sucks, then tell me what we should do, because obviously we're not doing things right.

On May 12 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote:


I've bolded the bits that are even more bollocks than the rest.

1) you're sure they've led the mislynches? Eiii hasn't led anything, that's for sure. I've been in favour of a Nova_Terra lynch since night 1/day 2, and layabout led the BM lynch. Ergo, bollocks.

2) we have solid scumreads. tried reading the thread? bollocks.

3) you made it easier for us? a bollocks list based on the complete contradiction of point 1) made in a totally mythical 'completely townie point of view'? Bollocks.

On May 12 2012 05:44 l10f wrote:


And why exactly would I do that if I was scum when I had nearly 0 suspicion on me. And even if I did, I could have at least survived through N_T and Grush lynches if I just shut up.

On May 20 2012 06:15 marvellosity wrote:
Mem, town didn't have the clout to lynch me.

froggy and I won from an 11-2 situation with one KP, i'm proud of us

On May 20 2012 08:07 grush57 wrote:


Yea but it doesn't change the fact that all the other townies failed, even though we had such a high chance of winning with the modkills.I played terrible but at many times I didn't feel the need to contribute because cases were already made that I agreed with and then if I posted anything I would just get accused of being a sheepy scum. However, I did call a lot of the mafia, I just didn't explain because of the cases already made.