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On April 27 2012 05:41 Nisani201 wrote: I wonder what would happen if I hydra'd with Sinani... Sisani NisaninaniS | ||
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Im not dealing with this shit this game. ##Vote: Kenpachi ##Vote: BillMurrary Either will do | ||
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On May 03 2012 09:06 l10f wrote: Hey guys, I'm town this game ^____________^ Who do you think actually deserves it then? Not many people have posted yet, not too many people to blame. You've just stood out among the few~ Doesn't mean you're mafia, every discussion helps though! Green or Blue town, your answer will decide if people will vote you or not. | ||
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On May 03 2012 22:35 Zealos wrote: Hi guys, I'm at work, and a BLU soldier :3 I'll post something useful when I get home. Not depressed, scumslip | ||
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On May 03 2012 23:26 froggynoddy wrote: Though I sympathise with the thought process I'm pretty sure we should lynch whoever we feel is most scummy, that means taking into consideration lurkiness/quality of posting. Killing someone based on their meta is equally as flawed as letting someone live because of their meta. I'm not saying don't use it as a factor, just to bare in mind that the 'lynch a bad townie' logic is wrong and every game I've played where this has happened has ended in tears. Of course we lynch most scumminess, I'm just giving a hint to anyone who has shooting powers. Cause these types of players stay in the back of peoples minds with a light shade of red for the majority of the game. | ||
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On May 04 2012 02:05 layabout wrote: 2 hours ago i wrote this down and then alt tabbed: My updated thoughts: Why did i just read all of that? That was nonsense. + the new stuff is nonsense too Present some non-nonsense then. | ||
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On May 04 2012 02:17 layabout wrote: You have't done anything of worth with any of your posts, you are posting one-liners here and there to put pressure on people. voting for BM and ken (in this thread) was basically a waste of time and yet you follow up on it by saying that you are tying to help "out our blue roles". This is a rather poor way to post since if any player that roll blue is likely to at least think about using their role and any player that can use the search function or even just reach the TL mafia homepage should be able to acess guides which render your advice worthless. You also try to push a scumsclip which is somewhere between foolish and misleading to town. You also write "for people who think that i am just spamming" which implies that you think you are spamming. And yet you continue to do so. And posting how every post and action is worthless is just as helpful? Lol. If you read my posts I wasn't pushing a scum slip. I was stating that the idea of these "scumslips" aren't indicative of some bodies role. And although they can be useful in some situations at the moment, its probably just someone who has played plenty of games where blue = power role, green = vanilla, red = scum, and it was most likely just a auto-reaction by blubb. | ||
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On May 04 2012 02:44 layabout wrote: Why are you being so presumptuous? I never claimed to be making a contribution. It was my way of expressing my disappointment in each and every one of you. I'm not being presumptuous, I'm just saying you saying " Im dissapointed in everyone for not doing anything " while you yourself are doing even less than others, is hypocritical. | ||
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On May 04 2012 04:15 grush57 wrote: Common atleast my useless posts are funny unlike yours. Plus, you didn't understand the situation of that game I played(I'm the same role this game too). Anyways, I'm not sure what to make of the last 3 pages. It is full of useless posts and spam and Bill Murray didn't even start yet. Several posts saying nothing except that "I'm town, trust me i gotta go.... eat?" (Like this post except im not hungry atm :D) For my reasoning of Katina vote, the game just started and blazinghand was accusing Katina for his scumminess, and I agreed so I voted for him, plus I wanted to get the ball rolling. Granted, I realize now this was a dumbshit move that was scummy,and that is my horrible reasoning for it. If you don't like it, Sorry. I would vote you blubbdavid, but I have enough people witchhunting me now.(And I didn't even rage on ladder how unlucky am I?) Though, I could just filter and quote everything and that would get the job done. This post speaks all kind of scumminess to me. In regards to the bolded part Isn't town motivation to hunt and kill scum? Not to stay alive? If he was town and really thought blubb was scum wouldn't he push his opinions and vote him? It sounds like, I can't really bring any more negative attention to me until this bit of people chasing me dies off. Plays off a lot of fluff trying to make himself seem likeable and buddy buddy with people, as well as apologetic at the same time. Really scummy looking post to me. | ||
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Grushes case is a strange one for sure. It's one of the only cases made in this game so far, and he just crumbled and gave in and played the pity me card. This could be a town or mafia trait, the only interesting thing to me is how hard it has been to get votes onto him, 4 in about a day, and the fact that a lot of people are just dropping one liners defending him without proper reason and jumping onto the next person. Still think there is a good chance he could be scum. Here is our only inactive atm (plenty of lurkers right now): Beneather Also, Layabout what song are you listening to? | ||
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On May 05 2012 00:16 Nova_Terra wrote: 2. Just wrong, I can have scumreads that i do not feel should be posted until i can get more infos to back them up. as i do. Post them then, wtf are you waiting for... Day is coming to a close, and we barely have any candidates to lynch. Even if they are bad cases, at least it will generate discussion around the said players. On May 05 2012 00:21 Nova_Terra wrote: Post a solid statement, not pretty much agree with someone and rephrase their stuff. Also i find this funny Just lol I am posting a solid statement, a solid statement on me thinking you are scum, and why I agree with BH. Am I not allowed to agree with a player? How are we supposed to consolidate votes, and generate discussion if people don't talk about said cases, the more people that see you as scummy, the more pressure on you to post, and either make more mistakes as scum, or man up and make cases as town, both which help create discussion. Also not only your shady play in this game, unwilling to create a pro town environment has painted you scum, but the fact your meta also looks like your scum meta, town nova isn't afraid to post his reads, terrible or not. Also the tone of this post just screams cockiness, which is something you possess more when you play scum. So Nova, lets hear your reads birthday boy, or are you waiting till the night cycle -_-. | ||
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On May 05 2012 01:47 marvellosity wrote: Who would you favour lynching at the moment, sir? I would like to hear the same from you actually Marveoulosity | ||
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On May 05 2012 02:18 layabout wrote: @ Mementoss i am listening to a song called "no brains" Shit I thought might get you to claim scum | ||
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On May 05 2012 02:18 layabout wrote: @ Mementoss i am listening to a song called "no brains" Shit I thought I might get you to claim scum On April 27 2012 23:22 layabout wrote: With any luck i will roll pyro and then play this song on a loop every time and all of the time that i am in the thread + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT5t84f31ok just like i do in team fortress. | ||
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Oh turns out all the roles have same names on both teams but different abilities. Lol. | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:42 grush57 wrote: Yes but he said he has no [i][solid/i] scum reads. He was just the most scummiest person. As town do you not have an obligation to vote for who you think is the scummiest person | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:47 blubbdavid wrote: If it takes 14 to lynch, then I will change my vote. Is it not pluarity? | ||
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Wtf, Katina was active and never voted. Not even happy though, the integrity of the game has been compromised. | ||
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On May 06 2012 00:24 blubbdavid wrote: Now that I have looked through some filters, I retract my suspicions on NT and want to point out Mementoss: First of all, I have played some games with Mementoss, and the uncaring behaviour of his does absolutely not match with his townplay. As townie, he is one of the leaders who gets quickly killed off by scum. That what he is pulling of is definitely not townlike. Many of his posts are useless one-liners, and those which are not have almost no content and are wishywashy. A big analysis is not necessary, you can see his lack of real contributions for yourself. layabout and mementoss are now my biggest scum suspects. Would you like to explain why you retract your suspicions on NT? Is it just because of your new-found suspicions on me? He hasn't done anything spectactularly townie at this point. This was my first post of the game, and since you weren't in LIII I guess you don't understand my frustration with this. The point is, it was more of a joke than a serious statement, which can be seen if you read my filter. Actually the fact that a chance came up for a policy lynch on BM that I didn't jump on should show that. Also the fact how I stated it was ridiculous that a policy lynch was created by someone who shoudln't be trusted (layabout) and that many people jumped on without reason. I pushed my reads on day 1, Grush and NT, and I tried to pressure people to post their respective reads rather than just sit around. The fact that you can't even put together more of a half ass case on me makes me wonder if your just posting this case, to make it look like you're doing something. The italicized part isn't true, and the fact that you can't back it up with facts proves my point of you half assing a case. Also, great layabout is one of your biggest scum suspects. Why was that? Oh wait, your just saying it because its a popular opinion at the moment. The fact that you are saying plenty of things, without any explanation (NT not suspicious, half case on me, layabout biggest scum read) makes you very non-transparent and makes you look like you are posting for the sake of posting. I will be re-going over the thread/specific players and posting my reads before nights end. | ||
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Also 3rd KP could be mafia vig. At least we haven't lost any power roles yet. | ||
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On May 06 2012 06:49 Blazinghand wrote: There are no mafia Vigis-- and a pyro wouldn't be able to kill someone until N2. Ah its day vig | ||
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Nova Terra: For the reasons stated before, his recent play gives me no reason to change my mind. Layabout : I know some others have brought up these points but.. For this contradiction: On May 03 2012 08:04 layabout wrote: I just want to warn all of the "area 53" guys that policy lynching is no better an option in this game than it ever was before. I know that a few of you are currently feeling like we should place all lurkers and confusing posters into the fire. But the majority of those players will be town and lynching into them is likely to kill (admittedly useless) townies. . On May 05 2012 02:18 layabout wrote: since we still have no real candidate ##vote Bill Murray reasons: anti-town when town anti-town when scum lurks a lot when he is active he is disruptive This is a policy lynch. Not only this, but he started the BM wagon single handidly and people followed. His Hard defense on Katina On May 05 2012 05:10 layabout wrote: Katina has made posts indicative of intelligence. I do not think we should lynch katina. Also he wanted to kill Palmar tommorrow, despite palmar just lurking, why not any other lurker? He wouldn't have known BH would shoot Palmar so it wouldn't make him look bad. On May 06 2012 00:55 layabout wrote: we should kill Palmar tomorrow Marvellosity On May 05 2012 05:53 marvellosity wrote: Sold, I don't have a solid scumread on anyone and BM is just useless and anti-town no matter his alignment. Having no solid scum reads, despite saying Katina and Nova looked scummy to him. It seems like he purposely put these next two statements in the vagest terms possible, so that when he hopped on a bandwagon he could say, well I didn't really think they were that scummy. Also, the games where he has been town he has been very pro town in scum hunting and posting, in this one however, he has been a "commentator" on everything and an initiator of no scum hunting. On May 05 2012 02:43 marvellosity wrote: I'm not sure you deserve an answer if you're not going to spell my name right. At the moment Nova looks the scummiest for reasons already expanded upon by others. The fact that so little of anything has occurred today makes Nova's stance that he doesn't want to air his tentative reads all the worse. On May 05 2012 05:04 marvellosity wrote: Your analysis on Katina's 'lie' seems to be sound enough, the problem I have with it is that Katina generally has quite an odd posting style, so I'm not sure how much I should make of it, especially as the post in question was aimed at renowned finger-pointer BlazingHand. I'll bold all the wishy washy vague terms for you. So basically, its a soft defense on Katina while still maintaing the post to look like he thought Katina was scum. The rest of his filter is nothing useful, just one liners. The fact he was so reluctant early in the day to place a vote on anyone he found remotely scummy even to pressure them seems odd, then how quickly he is sold on the fact a BM bandwagon comes along. I would be happy with lynching any of these three today. Will keep looking into more as well. | ||
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On May 06 2012 07:25 marvellosity wrote: Mementoss: cba to do a particularly long defence, but a) you've seen what I'm like before I get going in a game b) I didn't say Katina looked like scum, I said DYH's reasoning was sound but gave the reasons for my misgivings, c) I stated that Nova's scumminess lay in the fact he hadn't pushed his 'tentative' scumreads, + already explained how this did not put him into the scum category for me. But carry on dear... you never really got over BH's tunnelling of me last game, did you? P.S. Question for you and all of you 1) do you think layabout is a fairly intelligent reasoned player? if yes, proceed to 2 2) do you think layabout scum would make the mistake of not advocating policy lynch and then making one on BM? Personally my answer is no, which is why I am not comfortable on his case Let me ask you a question back. 1) Do you think Marvellosity is good pro town player? if yes, proceed to 2 2) Why did Marvellosity avoid pressuring players or committing to anything all of day 1? Now go up and replace Marvellosity with Nova_Terra or Layabout. Added on to this, there is scummy contradictions within these cases that help add up to make me think any of the three of you could be scum. Added to the fact that Katina flipped scum, and the interactions you and Layabout had with him. Also you are giving scum players too much credit. Did you think a scum player would last minute vote switch causing a tie and lynching the opposite person, when both players are townie? These things happen to scum by mistake, or are just plain moves to fuck with you. This being said, who is your biggest scum read and why? | ||
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Paqman I'd like to see your recent reads, now that both SlooSh and BlackRaven have flipped town, do you have any other reads that you would like to share? I doubt you would be actively against these two and then kill them as scum, but that is WIFOM. I know your against a layabout lynch, what are your thoughts on NT and Marv? | ||
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On May 07 2012 03:43 Blazinghand wrote: JW hasn't posted in 24 hours. KP hasn't posted in 24 hours. Eiiii hasn't posted in 24 hours. PPanda hasn't posted in over 36 hours. Froggy hasn't posted in over 48 hours. NT hasn't posted in nearly 24 hours. I mention this because it's literally impossible all 6 of you are scum. AT LEAST 3 of you are town players who are actively hurting town. OW OW OW OW stop hurting town stop it stop omg why aren't you posting Only one who gave excuse was froggy for stag weekend. He should be arriving back in thread soon though. | ||
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On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi Considering your doing about as much as him why not vote you?... This seems familiar to another lynch that just happened, hmmmm BM townie lynch? | ||
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Feeling slightly better about layabout for now.... So ##Vote: Nova_Terra | ||
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And you're purposely playing anti-town? :S | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:19 Nova_Terra wrote: No, Im trying to at least stay alive and make sense in my lynch targets until i have the time for something majorly useful Give your opinion on layabout, Blubb and marv then, since you can't come up with cases on your own, other than the last minute day 1 case on me. | ||
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On May 07 2012 05:46 Nova_Terra wrote: Marv seems good at posting early 1 liners and then aggressively onto easy and profitable bandwagons. he is one of my top scumreads that i had earlier So despite Marv being a top scum read of your's, you would rather random vote kenpachi? ... | ||
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On May 07 2012 22:07 froggynoddy wrote: EBWOP: was reading through blubb's and then NT's filter's, (NT's attack of him seems odd: did he explain wtf he meant by that?!?) as former being your vote and the latter having the most votes. I'd rather blub defended himself as it will give us more to work with but a lot of what you've said, Laya, seem to be a criticism of blubb's Day 1 vote logic, which as we all know is bound to be weak. Most of our votes were bound to be wrong, and all of our logic to be hugely flawed due to limited evidence. Cause the Kenpachi case is so much better. Two policy lynches in a row, really? Is this how we are going to play town. Reading the recent filter, and how layabout has been responding and contributing I am not sure if he is scum or not, I will not be voting him today. Why vote Kenpachi when he is getting replaced...? Anyone voting on him, take the time to look into the cases, vote the best one and explain it. A vote on kenpachi is a cop out to allow yourself to lurk and not contribute. I will be voting either NT or Blubb, I will switch to make the other get lynched if needed. I think both are good lynches that have good chance to flip scum. DYH presented a good case on blubb, but as other pointed out, I am not sure if it is just bad town play or not, im leaning towards scum. In nova_terras case I know it isn't bad town, cause I have seen his town play a lot, and although he may not be right, he puts in a lot of effort. He has put in 0 effort this game. If he is town, he is being retarded. For now I will leave my vote on NT. -Also stop spamming up the thread, im glad SA un buried DYH good case against blubb. | ||
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On May 08 2012 03:24 DoYouHas wrote: We have a tight race between 2(3) candidates and less than 3 hours left in the day. Where has everybody gone? I am here, will re-go through Nova and Blubbs cases. Is there any specific reason why you would think Blubb is worth lynching over Nova? Also this: The following people are in danger of getting modkilled: ghost_403, johnnywup, PaqMan*, grush57 | ||
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Well good thing grush kept his vote on someone who thought was going to flip town -_- | ||
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Aka, voting someone who has no chance of getting lynched and not trying to actively push that player, or convince anyone else why they are scum/to vote them. I guess having your vote have no influence on the outcome at all is good for keeping away from a WIFOM vote analysis paper trail. >_> | ||
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On May 08 2012 07:16 PaqMan wrote: So you're telling me that I should have taken my vote off someone I think is scum and sheep/wagonhop/board the train on someone I didn't think was that much scummy? No thanks, I want to win. I made a case, the only problem was that it was 11 at night, I had to wake up early to take a college exam, and had class the rest of the day. Obviously I didn't have time to push it. layabout your hard defense of kenpachi is yucky. Also, he's allowed to purposely play anti-town just because he's KP? (Sounds familiar, BM @ LIII) layabout isn't that the reason you pushed BM's lynch? Yeah don't even get on my ass about KP. I don't believe that he's been sooooooo busy to play, yet he's spamming the thread with so many 1-liners and "coincidentally" shows up after I put out my case on him and vote. I also don't believe that he's asked for a replacement because, guess what, there isn't anyone signed up to be a replacement. I didn't waste my vote. I didn't think NT was that much scummy anymore and I'm not going to lynch someone that I'm not confident is scum. If I was scum I could have easily left my vote on him, especially since I was THE FIRST PERSON TO EVEN VOTE NT, and I could have easily gotten away with it. Kenpachi's my scummiest read and if pressuring him makes me scum, that's coolbeans. I just wont understand your logic. Don't twist my words, I never said bandwagon. I said it was wasted if you don't push why you think someone is scummy, obviously don't place your vote on someone you think is town, just because the cool kids are doing it. I'm saying wasting a vote is when you as a townie, truely believe you got scum, to the point that it is better than every case out there and you don't push people to try and consider it. Clearly if you really thought Kenpachi was scum, you would have been all over people asking them why they prefer the current lynch over Kenpachi, and try to strengthen your own case on Kenpachi. Also, if your going to stick with your guns to a vote that never is going to happen, at least explain why the other cases are bad or why you think they are town. But, I guess anyone can play the I was too busy/wasn't here card. | ||
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On May 08 2012 07:22 PaqMan wrote: We all need to seriously look into everyone that joined the blubb wagon, starting with right after DYH posted his big case on him. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331187¤tpage=44#872 I agree with you here. The only thing that crossed my mind when I was first reading the thread is how Kenpachi and Blazinghand looked to try to be burying the post. Need to re-read and re-analyze how this late day lynch came about and how people explained their reasoning for voting Blubby. | ||
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On May 09 2012 01:34 layabout wrote: I am just gonna hope i get shot so i don't have to explain myself. Again. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I have lost track of how many times i have had to repeat myself. I think the point he is trying to make is you've put no commitment into any stance, basically just throwing words around at people and sheeping after the fact. The only real thing you've committed to is your defense posts. Otherwise, you just say things about people and drop the pressure or don't come to any solid conclusions about the person. It almost seems like you seem scared about calling people scum or their actions scummy, until you realize they are about to be lynched. | ||
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On May 09 2012 04:50 froggynoddy wrote: This is so stupid. People should not be able commit to a game if this happens half way through. Johnny has been town six times in a row. He rolled scum. He does not how to play or how to act, so he lurks and places stalling posts. He pulls the pity I'm busy into I'm requesting replacement card. ??? | ||
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On the idea of people defending Kenpachi and Kenpachi flipping scum, I'm not sure how much this means, his playstyle is really erratic, so as town it's really hard to tell his alignment. (Hell, I even soft defended him to get people to vote onto people I thought had better chances of flipping scum) However, I would like to look at the people that pushed him aggressively and confidently. There is NO way to be confident about a Kenpachi lynch unless you are scum with him. He is the perfect bus as he is a likely vig shot, and doesn't actively help the scum team in ways other than lurking. This being said, this makes me think scum Nova is even more scummy, trying to get town cred by doing nothing. Marv points this out well in the above post. Actually I agree with just about everything Marv posted in that last post. Marv playing to his town meta, useless for a couple days and picking it up late game, I no longer find him that suspicious. ##Vote: Nova_Terra DoYouHas and SomethingAwesome the BLU Depressed Soldiers were found dead. Not so sure about this. Probably some blue sniping going on, or getting rid of the veterans. Gotta re-look into their filter. WIFOM, they could be keeping me alive (as well as BH, why would they keep him alive with chance of engineer and close to confirmed town?) as hard pushers on Nova, hoping for a Nova mislynch. This is pure WIFOM, but something to think about. More WIFOM, DYH had his doubts about Paqman and even had a case started against him before dropping it, but you could tell there was some doubts, BH also called paqman an "asset" to this town. DYH is dead, BH is alive after his claim. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. Think about it. Look back into paqmans filter. Make an opinion on him. Also Im seeing A LOT of players names, that I can't remember anything they posted off the back of my head, or any recent stances they made. Grush ever since the modkills and made himself look town has not been around, papapanda what has he done recently? Sinesis as well. Pressure these players. We need more out of them. | ||
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On May 09 2012 10:19 PaqMan wrote: Mementoss: What do you think of layabout and my case against him. You didn't make any mention of it. Reading and will respond soon. But everything you said about NT I disagree with pretty strongly so far. I don't think its anything like the ottoxlol case. Ottoxlol defense was I don't understand the case, and claiming scum multiple times in the thread. | ||
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Also this quote in your case caught my eye mainly because of LIII trickery: On May 07 2012 21:48 layabout wrote: If blubbdavid Nova_Terra and Paqman are the remaining scum then kenpachi has got all of them. I remember mattchew mentioned his WHOLE scum team in a similar type post. There is a chance that certain people voting quickly on kenpachi could be scum, the remaining left are Nova, Paqman and Froggy. | ||
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On May 10 2012 01:14 Blazinghand wrote: I used to have this awesomely durable flip phone. I legitimately used it to pound in nails once. Now I have a Samsung Galaxy Nexus, and I've traded the hammerkind attribute for being able to read/post on TL anywhere. A fair trade. So, I guess while we're here, got any questions for me Mementoss? Sure. Do you still think Nova is the best lynch for the day? What are your recent thoughts on laya? Recent thoughts on marv? Do you have any reads outside the popular candidates? Do you still think that paq is town? Any possibility of a paqman/Nova scum team? Im at school. Just typed the first Q's that came to my head. Going out tonight and working on report. Will try to post before I head out to the pub after school. | ||
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On May 10 2012 02:00 Eiii wrote: Oh, I should probably post this, too: I'm going to be voting for layabout. Obviously I wasn't convinced of his townieness yesterday and the flips only reinforced that suspicion! How does the flip reinforce your suspicions.? | ||
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On May 10 2012 06:44 marvellosity wrote: Who are you favouring for the lynch after the activity in the last few pages? NT still. Layabout a close second. Only other person I think is suspicious that is not a total lurker is possibly paqman. I have null reads on a lot of the lurkers I don't know which one would be best. Sinesis or Froggy probably. Im going out to the pub now. Will look into it when I get back. NT still seems scummy as hell as does layabout. And all my current town reads are voting him which is usually a good sign. Gah not sure what to do. Will re-assess later. | ||
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On May 11 2012 04:45 marvellosity wrote: Well, the last couple of pages with grush for starters. I want to know I'm not being stupid getting angry at him. Everything he posts seems scummy as fuck to me right now. Also the fact that everyone voting for layabout seem to have just disappeared off the face of the earth approaching lynch-time, and he's set to be lynched. I agree hes been acting stupidly all game and the way the flips went day 1 went just let him off the hook. I think hes just terrible though. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:30 Blazinghand wrote: So from what I can tell NT is throwing away his vote on Panda presently. However, Grush has never made a case. The fact that layabout has voted him makes me not want to vote him, but it's possible there's a bus going on. Having examined grush's filter and finding 0 pro-town posting, I am willing to vote grush instead of N_T, but only if there's no chance of getting N_T lynched. Is anyone else around? I highly doubt the chance of a bus at 10-2 unless its between two highly scrutinized players, ala NT and layabout, but they aren't pushing each others lynches for most of the day. They would require like 5 mislynches to win and town still hasn't lost any power roles yet. (if there even is any) | ||
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if laya flips scum NT and grush are probably not scum. If laya flips town, possibility of a NT paqman scum team, or Grush/Sinesis. Replace Sinesis with someone else random like papapanda/froggy. NT and Grush most likely are not scum together. | ||
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On May 11 2012 05:54 layabout wrote: these players have, in some way or another made me think that they are town. Mementoss marvellosity PaqMan Sinensis ghost_403 Nova_Terra Blazinghand froggynoddy the order means nothing, some of these i am sure are town whilst i have doubts about a few of them. Im really interested what Sinensis ghost_403 has done to make u think they are town. They have not done anything all game. | ||
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dafuq. I forgot On May 11 2012 08:24 PaqMan wrote: @MT if you think I'm scum then push a case against me. You keep making idle comments on how you think I'm scummy but you aren't putting forth anything. Planning on it. A couple things caught my eye. I just need to get around to doing it. I just am scared I am reading you wrong, cause everyone thought you were town early in LIII and I wasn't sure and it turned out you were actually town. | ||
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On May 11 2012 20:22 froggynoddy wrote: As much as this list puts me in a good light this is plain stupid, all scum have to do is hit the bottom half of the table that isnt them and they hugely increase their chance of winning, we are still ahead, lets hunt scum not use some hald-arsed policy lynch (which is essentially what this is). Not only that but the fact that you've posted this during the night, thus feeding them essentially a priority list. The only person who is pretty much confirmed town to the rest of us is BH (the only situation I can see where he is not is that he is bomber... but I don't know if one could place a bomb and detonate the same day... regardless this possibility is like less than 1% IMO), l10F, rather than make a list, make a detailed case of Eiii and Marv (your top two scum reads), and if either of you is town... MAKE AN EFFORT TO DISPUTE THAT CASE!! The main reason I think Grush and/or NT are most likely to flip scum is that they have been absolutely terrible at arguing against a case that has been presented to them (as well due to as the cases themselves). This, more than lurking (I would say) is hurting town the most as if you were town you would wnat town's energies to be diverted onto a more valid target. One of the goals of any townie is too make sure that if a case is put against you that you dismiss it allowing town to focus on a valid target. No-one has done this apart from layabout (and we lynched him -_-). Either you are scum that cannot defend a case brought against you or you are wasting town's energy and time (which is starting to become a more serious factor) by not adequately defending yourselves. There is no way mafia can have extra KP night 1 is there? I assume this is what your talking about. RED Demoman Mad Hatter I LEFT SCRUMPY FOR THIS MATCH, SO BRING IT ON, DOUBLE EYED MONSTERS! Plants bomb during the night. Might move it OR detonate it every night. Has one bomb which counts as 1KP. It detonates after he dies. Can a bomb be placed and detonated on night one? | ||
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On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote: Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town. 1. Eiii 2. marvellosity 3. grush57 4. papapanda 5. PaqMan 6. Nova_Terra 7. Sinensis 8. l10f 9. Mementoss 10. froggynoddy 11. Blazinghand Let's just lynch in this order and win? Wait,wait,wait,wait what?! Does anyone else not see this. 1 is most likely scum and 11 is most likely town. So he thinks Me, BH, and froggy are more town then HIMSELF. WHEN HE KNOWS HIS OWN ROLE. WTF? If he was actually town he would be 100% confirmed town on his own list. This is a scum slip. If I10F is scum, scum most likely lies between number 4 and number 7. | ||
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Since how did froggy become super townie all of a sudden. What the hell has he even done? Please read his filter BH. There is so many ridiculous statements. I'll point out a few. On April 27 2012 03:32 l10f wrote: /in if you'll have me, I'll be pretty much free for the next 2 weeks. Or I could play with Mattchew. I know this isn't much. But for a "townie" being completely free and apparently reading the thread. His filter is 1 pages and lackluster. On May 08 2012 08:28 l10f wrote: At least I voted for scum. Sorry I missed the deadline to vote, but neither N_T or blubb looked scummier than Eiii to me, so I wouldn't have known which of the two to vote for even if I was here. Especially with that last second switch that makes no sense... There is no way for him to know this. He is distancing himself from the townie lynch here. Never explains why he doesn't find N_T or blubb scummy. I think he has been distancing himself from townie lynches all game actually. No vote day 1. Eiii Day 2. Grush day 3. On May 09 2012 12:31 l10f wrote: 1 day less! Just saying, I don't think N_T is scum. I think a better lynch candidate will be... marvellosity! He's pretty much attacked every "easy" targets including BM, papa, me, N_T, (a little bit) blubb, and johnny. Protected Kenpachi and Katina, and he gets very defensive even at a one line poke at the side. Including all these quotes would make my post unnecessarily big, but I'm pretty confident on marv being scum. Doesn't ever explain why N_T is not scum. And this tone just seems like he pulled out a random name. Then writes a 2 line reason why. On May 09 2012 12:32 l10f wrote: What I mean to say about N_T being scum is, he's been too easy to push on both days, and if I'm right about marv, he jumped onto N_T vote fairly early and didn't switch to blubb. He must have known that they are both town! I guess that really falls apart if marv flips blue though! Hes been so easy to push that he has been second in line for lynch every day. But never dies. So easy eh? On May 09 2012 12:34 l10f wrote: Also, I'm reading this thread often, I just don't post if I don't have anything to add to the discussion. I'm not really good at picking out many scum, but I think I'm pretty good at weighing other people's cases and using them to deduce who the scum is, so I just read all the cases and vote for the person I think is the most scummy. Neither N_T or blubb gave me that feeling last day, so I voted for neither. Again, I don't feel N_T is scum so I'm holding my vote for now. If we don't get a better candidate I'm gonna go with my gut feeling and vote marv. I dont post cases cuz im bad. (using the newb card) I read cases and pick the case that is on a townie. If that is to obvious I just vote for someone random and be the only person voting him. Again WHY do you not think nova is scum. Gut feeling is for scum. It's used when you have no fucking explanation for your actions and are to scared to say scummy shit and get caught. On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote: Posting his reads on me != wanting me to be investigated. You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum. Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely. This is a bit late from early game to be saying "Im town" for no reason. Hes not even suspected here. But I think its the third time in the thread where he throws in a "Im town" for good measures. Or a face to make people like him -_______________________- Also the second part is so so so scummy. I haven't done anything to make anyone think im scum. What. So your purposely not doing anything and being safe so you don't look scummy? At least you have done that? You haven't done anything. And again how do you know your right, that scum is in Eiii/marv/grush good thing you gave three options, for an out when one of them flips town. I already explained why the list is scummy. Also BH made some good points on why the list is awful. If I10f is scum, he strategically placed people that are most likely to die tonight (mementoss, BH) and strategically placed his scum buddy around 4-7 after a couple mislynches so town would lose in the MLYL. N_T I10f scum team. | ||
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On May 11 2012 22:22 Blazinghand wrote: Also the idea that I'm somehow scum is utterly preposterous. Scum N1 at best had an extra half-KP. Typical Hatters either can't manually detonate their bombs, or must do so via action on a subsequent night. The Mafia Vigi has only 0.5 KP, and although it is technically possible that Mafia had 2 Vigis, 2 of the 3 Mafia players had to be sending in the night kills N1, which means at most one Mafia player had a free action that night. Just making sure someone isn't getting a free pass because something in the roles was over looked. Gotta cover all basis. I don't suspect you just making sure of the rules. | ||
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On May 11 2012 22:33 marvellosity wrote: Mementoss, a question for you - in the event of an NT/l10f scumteam, the thing that strikes me is Nova's post saying that lynching down the list was a good idea. Do you think they'd do that as a scumpair? Would you expect any more from Nova's particularly poor play all game? And of course Nova would want to lynch down the list. Town would lose before Nova would ever get lynched. He would definitely agree to this as scum. Less likely I supposed to agree if I10f and NT are scum. In a game that has been focused on people being like OMG he defended him and he was scum so he is scum. And OMG he voted him he is scum, type cases. I think it is reasonable that both these players avoid being on the townie lynches almost always. Nova votes: Day 1 Mementoss Day 2 Kenpachi Day 3 Papapanda | ||
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On May 12 2012 01:35 l10f wrote: The mafia is winning. We haven't had a single good lynch and I'm sure they've led the mislynches we had so far. We've had no sign of DT or medic. We still don't have a single solid scumread on anyone. If we keep arguing about if its A or B, the scumteam will just tip the balance towards their victory every day. We as town need to consolidate our vote so 2 votes won't affect anything. So whatever we do, effectively it'll just be a list of scummy people and lynching #1 on that list. I made it easier for us and made one in a completely town point of view. If you think my list sucks, then tell me what we should do, because obviously we're not doing things right. Its pretty hard to "tip the balance" with 2/12 people. Thats also why I say don't throw away your votes as a townie. If the person you think is not going to get lynched and you can't convince anyone else. Then use your best judgement to vote for who you think is scummiest that has a possiblity of getting lynched. Throwing away your vote on a person with 0 votes ultimately gives the mafia heavier sway in deciding who gets lynched. And no 2 mafia to 10 townies is a good position. We haven't lost any PR's but I doubt we have any. If we keep the discussion active town will win. The fact that half the town is quiet most of the town is the only chance of town losing. | ||
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On May 12 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote: I've bolded the bits that are even more bollocks than the rest. 1) you're sure they've led the mislynches? Eiii hasn't led anything, that's for sure. I've been in favour of a Nova_Terra lynch since night 1/day 2, and layabout led the BM lynch. Ergo, bollocks. 2) we have solid scumreads. tried reading the thread? bollocks. 3) you made it easier for us? a bollocks list based on the complete contradiction of point 1) made in a totally mythical 'completely townie point of view'? Bollocks. Marv he says so many things without any back up. Eg, "At least I voted scum" I point more of this out in my case that he buried. He bullshitting his way through the entire game. What do you think of the case I presented on him? What do you think of his recent explosion of scum posts/lack of defense? Lack of any opinion really. | ||
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On May 12 2012 05:44 l10f wrote: And why exactly would I do that if I was scum when I had nearly 0 suspicion on me. And even if I did, I could have at least survived through N_T and Grush lynches if I just shut up. So here you are admitting to acting like scum. The real question is why would you act like scum if you were town? | ||
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Lynch NT first. l10f is a close second. Either lynch would be good. Trust Blazinghand. Blazinghand don't ever say you will eat your hat, it never works out. Actually if you have your doubts about him, just try explain the night 1 extra KP. If you have doubts ask hosts questions. Keep an eye on Marv and Paqman. I think they are both town but do not give them free passes examine their play. (Yes I was trying to make a case against paq, but then thought I was wrong about it) If you are in this list, and actually are town stop lurking, froggy, eiii, papapanda, grush. Anyone in this list could also be the second scum. Scum: N_T l10f Null red: eiii Null: Froggy papapanda grush Light blue: Marv Paqman Royal Blue: Blazinghand | ||
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Damn I thought it was Marv/Papapanda scum team. | ||
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On May 20 2012 06:15 marvellosity wrote: Mem, town didn't have the clout to lynch me. froggy and I won from an 11-2 situation with one KP, i'm proud of us Yeah for sure gg on your part wp. I shouldn't have got off you as easily as I did day 2. | ||
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On May 20 2012 08:07 grush57 wrote: Yea but it doesn't change the fact that all the other townies failed, even though we had such a high chance of winning with the modkills.I played terrible but at many times I didn't feel the need to contribute because cases were already made that I agreed with and then if I posted anything I would just get accused of being a sheepy scum. However, I did call a lot of the mafia, I just didn't explain because of the cases already made. Town works needs to work as a team (to a certain point), not a bunch of individuals. The fact that there were almost half the town acting anti town and inactive made scum hunting precisely very very hard. The day TL town's start to win more often, is the day people learn to establish themselves as town, and commit to being active in the game. Everyone knows deciding between anti town and scum is very hard, and its very easy for scum to push a case off themselves onto someone like yourself or nova_terra (this game at least). | ||
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