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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
Am at work tomorrow but will try and be available during the day (UK time). g'night | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 11 2012 05:56 Mementoss wrote: Im really interested what Sinensis ghost_403 has done to make u think they are town. They have not done anything all game. Ghost is dead.. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
dafuq. I forgot On May 11 2012 08:24 PaqMan wrote: @MT if you think I'm scum then push a case against me. You keep making idle comments on how you think I'm scummy but you aren't putting forth anything. Planning on it. A couple things caught my eye. I just need to get around to doing it. I just am scared I am reading you wrong, cause everyone thought you were town early in LIII and I wasn't sure and it turned out you were actually town. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On May 11 2012 08:02 froggynoddy wrote: Grush all you do is call people scum with no evidence, at all. I'm voting for you unless something odd happens during the night (i.e. somebody miraculously realises he's a vig and shoots you). Am at work tomorrow but will try and be available during the day (UK time). g'night Whats the evidence against me? | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
Read your filter. I've been rereading through the thread starting at the beginning of D3. It feels like there's something I might have missed or skipped over. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On May 11 2012 08:48 PaqMan wrote: Read your filter. I've been rereading through the thread starting at the beginning of D3. It feels like there's something I might have missed or skipped over. Yeah man I got no idea who is mafia, probably the lurkers | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 11 2012 08:56 grush57 wrote: Yeah man I got no idea who is mafia, probably the lurkers If I were you, I'd put a little more effort into scumhunting than that. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On May 07 2012 04:55 Eiii wrote: zzzzz We should *kill* the lurkers by some means. We have ways of killing that isn't a lynch! Ideally we'd shoot all the lurkers and lynch people who took scummy positions. Maximum information (which is a good thing, no matter how you spin it)! That's not always possible, though-- but to lynch a lurker day one when we had a handful of lynch candidates actually puts the town behind. Really, ask yourself. If BM had been the only death day one, where would we be right now? What? No, I don't think you should be lynched for information at all. You should be lynched for pushing BM day one, which accomplished nothing, together with your questionable defense of kat when it wasn't clear that he'd be modkilled, like several other people have pointed out before me. The part about marvel isn't an accusation, just an observation that'll come into play if you flip red. Since you're so interested in what my plan is if you flip green: I'll probably say 'darn' and apologize for voting for the wrong person. And you'll be dead. I'm willing to take that chance, though! + Show Spoiler [laya post2] + On May 07 2012 06:36 Eiii wrote: Hey remember that time I prefaced a statement with 'ideally' and then you freaked the fuck out and took it as an actual defense of lurkers even when I explicitly said right beforehand that we should definitely be killing them? That was great. You're deliberately misinterpreting what I said there. I never came anywhere close to saying we should grant lurkers immunity from being lynched, just that they're always the best option when they can easily be killed off in other ways and we can get more out of our lynch. Plus, lynches aren't the most reliable way to kill people by a long shot. With lynches, we have to deal with mafia influence in arguments and votes. With a vig? He just shoots whoever he wants and that person dies. Seems pretty reliable to me! I refuse to believe you actually think this. Mislynching an active town-- or at least one that tries to defend himself-- has a completely different outcome than lynching a lurker who everyone just kind of agrees is *probably* going to be bad for town so whatever let's kill him. Here's how I see things: Day one is always a chaotic waste of time that usually results in a mislynch or something else equally retarded (e.g. BM lynch). Day two is then mostly driven by analyzing who did what day one and, with the information gained from the day/night deaths, how those actions look. And hey, what do you know, that's almost exactly how this game is going! A good chunk of the talk today has been about Kat/206 and how people connect to them or how they connect to others-- but no one has said a thing about the BM lynch. Because it was useless. Let's pretend that you *actually* read and understood that and aren't just trying to attack me for whatever reason. Lynching you for information isn't even remotely close to lynching you because you're scum, and then looking into the connections that start popping up once you flip red. I want to kill you because you've done scummy things. You started a scummy lynch bandwagon day one and you defended another scum, which is suspicious in ways that have been brought up again and again. So I agree-- let's lynch scum! If only you had that same mantra day one, when you decided that you didn't like where the lynch was going so you just threw a lurker (or 'inactive', whatever) onto the fire, who you had no reason to believe was red. What happened to 'let's lynch scum' then? When you're desperate for a lynch you find the scummiest player and you lynch them, you don't just redirect the lynch onto whoever's convenient. 'Player X is scummy and the best candidate we have for a lynch today-- but let's not lynch them! They're smart! Let's at least wait until later.' ...that's a perfectly reasonable, valid defense to you? ok.  Eiii believed layabout was scum at the time of those posts. He then follows up with this: On May 08 2012 05:39 Eiii wrote: Hmmmm. blubbdavid's convinced me, I'm gonna switch my vote over to him. With his reason being: + Show Spoiler + On May 08 2012 05:59 Eiii wrote: In my experience, when people blow up under pressure like this, they're usually scum :s Why does that bother me? Because he easily dropped his one & only scumread to join the blubb wagon. He had no hesitation with dropping layabout in favor of blubb. His last-minute voteswitch was weird and I don't know what to make of it.FoS. People need to put some attention on him and make him de-lurk. Good D4 lynch. All of my previous fos's were horrible. I will look into NT as a possible lynch and re-evaluate my opinions. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
I would like to talk before night ends about some people I think are getting a free ride, that don't deserve it. I am anticipating focus being on grush and N_T, but there are two others that need some looking at. First I will look at papapanda: On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + My guess is that grush is semi-lurker and just have been reading/agreeing/sheeping with what information that has/hasnot been posted by you. At first I would've have passed off the blue/green slip from blubbdavid as misreading because I can imagine myself accidentally misreading/mis-pronouncing blue/green. But from his defensive post i have to be a little suspicious. On May 03 2012 07:55 blubbdavid wrote: One post on D1 doesn't make someone scum. Even if I probably deserve a warning for my stupidity. Will defend myself tomorrow, it's late here. And if it is even worth it. And when you vote, please use the proper thread. It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone. Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available. Me is hardcore BLU! Went ahead and bolded everything I have a problem with. This is his first post in the whole thread. What is see is a paranoid mess. Papapanda uses a slash every time he says something serious because he wants to make sure he has covered all his bases/been as nonspecific as possible/has chosen the best sounding/most town-like voice possible/see why this is convoluted and a horrible way to express yourself? Your scum team probably told you to cut it out with all the wishy-washy slashes after your first post, and you appear to have listened as this is the only time you talk like that. Also, never while playing town seriously would I ever say I am "hardcore town." You don't need an adjective to describe how town you are unless you aren't town. On May 03 2012 11:12 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 10:17 SomethingAwesome wrote: ^^ -mattchew Now are you newb or scum? He was neither, and this question accomplishes nothing. On May 03 2012 11:21 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + >_< My fault. As you can see, I am newb. Makes apologetic face. Apologizes. Apologizes again. Claims to be noob. Scummy. On May 03 2012 12:39 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 12:23 Sinensis wrote: ##vote: grush57 I was not expecting to have a vote so early this game with all the people. You better not unvote or else people will think you are just sheeping Blazinghand! I am going to ##vote blubbdavid as a placeholder for now in case I miss the voting deadline tomorrow. Goodnight. After I vote for grush, papapanda decides to call me out... or something... saying I am suspicious of sheeping Blazinghand if I change my vote? Uh, whether I am sheeping Blazinghand or not (I wasn't), what does changing my vote have to do with anything? On May 05 2012 05:23 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Blazinghand: I hate to be stepping into your line of fire, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make. I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now). In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand). I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of. Yeah, I probably wouldn't like stepping into BH's line of fire as scum too. Lets look at the BM lynch, you didn't support it: On May 05 2012 06:01 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 05:56 grush57 wrote: We only have an hour left, I have a feeling BM might be modkilled and so will several others, most days end at around 9pm est not 6. Since he will be modkilled anyway, shouldn't we lynch someone else? This question is for everyone voting BM You're against it again: On May 05 2012 06:05 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 05:57 johnnywup wrote: don't rely on modkills, thats not chivalrous lol. if we want to lynch someone we lynch them, we don't leave it up to chance that they don't post and vote last minute. They would also have to post here to not get modkilled. You want us to use a vote on someone who has less than an hour to post based on his previous reputation. Actually, I am dissatisfied with people that are in more than one game, especially in XIII (and not even some minimafia...etc). Another option is to lynch you, johnnywup, and save you from having to play both games. Against it again: On May 05 2012 06:08 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + If BM haven't posted, we can assume he hasn't been on the thread. Now you might say maybe he planned to post last second... If BM hasn't been on this thread, he would not have known that the voting/posting deadline has been extended by 60 minutes. Therefore he did not intentionally wait until now. Starting to see a pattern? You're against lynching BM again: On May 05 2012 06:09 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:06 Nova_Terra wrote: This is like a Hey look at me, im active and useful and shame on you all for doing wrong! I apologize for saying I want to lynch you for being in two games. What I meant to say is I want to lynch you for trying to waste D1 vote on someone who will die anyways. But wait, what now? On May 05 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote: You're right, I'm wrong again>< Ok, I will be open to lynching BM-_- Apologizes, apologetic face, suddenly BM is a good lynch? Once BM flipped town, you explained for vote for him... but not the sudden switch: On May 05 2012 13:06 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Yeah, mafia is going to hit SlOosh real hard, as he is 2/2, calling out both sinani and katina. I believe the lynching of BM was orchestrated by the red. The plan for red might have been to target veterans who are slightly inactive. As we can see, Katina passively pushed for lynching of BM. On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote: BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on. Keeping this is mind, I would like to bring up marvellosity. 1. His first few post was to bring Palmer into attention. No, he didn't vote for him, but just bringing him up and possibly started a bandwagon is good enough. 2. He gives his read on NT, saying he "looks the scummiest" but then votes for BM(yes, I voted BM too, I will explain my change of heart if it isn't clear enough-_-), claiming same reason as layabout. His willingness to switch sides so fast is a little scummy. 3. He defends Katina by basically saying she has odd posting style. By association, this also is a little suspicious and him adding on saying that DoYouHas nailed it actually made it sound even worst for me. I would like to conclude by saying that this was pieced together AFTER I assumed he was red. I would like to ask others to help me analyse marvellosity from the point of view of blue. Basically: FoS on marvellosity HERE IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING; so you believe mafia lynched BM because they had a plan for lynching veterans who are slightly inactive, i.e. easy targets? I know I saw something like this in the thread the day before, let me see if I can find it again: On May 03 2012 22:31 papapanda wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote: papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush. Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy. ##vote grush57 *Looks hard to find blubbdavid's defense* On May 03 2012 08:11 blubbdavid wrote: The confusing thing is that in a sense vanilla townies are also blue roles, just without power. I wanted to ask Ken whether he had a powerrole or not. A 1.2 line defense? Only a little better than grush. Some of us are obviously more seasoned than others. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't I play with you before in my first game? The way I see it is when we have two suspicious guys, I would lynch the more experienced person because there is less possibility that his mistakes are due to the fact that he was careless or ignorant. So the way you see it is that when there are two suspicious guys, lynch the veteran (i.e. Bill Murray)? That doesn't make any sense to me especially since you are a new player here and have no way of knowing who the vets are, not to mention it is not town-like to vote someone just because they are more experienced. I have never heard a town player say "We should lynch HIM because he has MORE experience!" | ||
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
Darn. Sorry. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On May 11 2012 13:01 Sinensis wrote: l10f is suspicious too to me but it's more subtle than papapanda. Plus it was layabout's dying wish that some kind of investigation be had of l10f... I just can't think of anything solid right now. Posting his reads on me != wanting me to be investigated. You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum. Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely. | ||
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
1. Eiii 2. marvellosity 3. grush57 4. papapanda 5. PaqMan 6. Nova_Terra 7. Sinensis 8. l10f 9. Mementoss 10. froggynoddy 11. Blazinghand Let's just lynch in this order and win? | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote: Posting his reads on me != wanting me to be investigated. You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum. Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely. Like I said, I don't suspect you as mafia because of your actions, it's just the way you word things. Take what you said, the bolded part; "at least." Your most recent post too, here: On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town. 1. Eiii 2. marvellosity 3. grush57 4. papapanda 5. PaqMan 6. Nova_Terra 7. Sinensis 8. l10f 9. Mementoss 10. froggynoddy 11. Blazinghand Let's just lynch in this order and win? "100% objective view?" Do you know what game you are playing? There is no 100% objective view in mafia. Objective to what? You have no facts to base your objective opinion on, unless you're mafia. When you are mafia you have to keep your objectivity or else your true agenda shows. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote: Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town. 1. Eiii 2. marvellosity 3. grush57 4. papapanda 5. PaqMan 6. Nova_Terra 7. Sinensis 8. l10f 9. Mementoss 10. froggynoddy 11. Blazinghand Let's just lynch in this order and win? Right now we're 9-2, right? 8-2 after scum shoots. If we mislynch and scum shoots again, we're 6-2, then if we mislynch and scum shoots again, we're at 4-2, which is MYLO. Assuming there aren't any more vigis (which I believe is fair; any vigis would have shot N1 or N2), and we don't get any medic saves, we have 2 mislynches before MYLO. Also, assuming scum start by shooting the towniest players (though they'll probably spare me in hopes of hitting a medic or DT, or because they're worried I'm Medicced) and not making things easy on us, here's what your list says: "I think we should lynch Eiii, Marv, then Grush. If none of those guys are scum, we lose" well, let's say one of those 3 is scum. then you're saying "I think we should lynch Eiii, marv, Grush, then Panda. If only one or if none of those gus are scum, we lose. I'm not even gonna consider the scumminess of N_T" As a final note, you have definitely pointed out several players you think are townier than yourself, tipping your hand to the scumteam. Why not just mention your 3-4 biggest scumreads? like "hey guys I know we're all up on grush but there weren't significant wagons on Eiii or marv and I think those guys are scum" Like, this was possibly the worst way to share your reads with the town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On May 11 2012 14:36 Nova_Terra wrote: I kinda like most of that proposal Come on man, you're better than this? Aren't you?! | ||
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