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On May 11 2012 19:14 marvellosity wrote:


Come on man, you're better than this? Aren't you?!

On May 11 2012 19:21 Blazinghand wrote:


If N_T is scum and we follow that proposal he auto-wins.

On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote:
Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town.

1. Eiii
2. marvellosity
3. grush57
4. papapanda
5. PaqMan
6. Nova_Terra
7. Sinensis
8. l10f
9. Mementoss
10. froggynoddy
11. Blazinghand

Let's just lynch in this order and win?

On May 11 2012 20:22 froggynoddy wrote:


As much as this list puts me in a good light this is plain stupid, all scum have to do is hit the bottom half of the table that isnt them and they hugely increase their chance of winning, we are still ahead, lets hunt scum not use some hald-arsed policy lynch (which is essentially what this is). Not only that but the fact that you've posted this during the night, thus feeding them essentially a priority list. The only person who is pretty much confirmed town to the rest of us is BH (the only situation I can see where he is not is that he is bomber... but I don't know if one could place a bomb and detonate the same day... regardless this possibility is like less than 1% IMO), l10F, rather than make a list, make a detailed case of Eiii and Marv (your top two scum reads), and if either of you is town... MAKE AN EFFORT TO DISPUTE THAT CASE!!

The main reason I think Grush and/or NT are most likely to flip scum is that they have been absolutely terrible at arguing against a case that has been presented to them (as well due to as the cases themselves). This, more than lurking (I would say) is hurting town the most as if you were town you would wnat town's energies to be diverted onto a more valid target. One of the goals of any townie is too make sure that if a case is put against you that you dismiss it allowing town to focus on a valid target. No-one has done this apart from layabout (and we lynched him -_-). Either you are scum that cannot defend a case brought against you or you are wasting town's energy and time (which is starting to become a more serious factor) by not adequately defending yourselves.

On May 11 2012 13:53 l10f wrote:
Here's a 100% objective view of the situation. 1 is most likely scum 11 is most likely town.

1. Eiii
2. marvellosity
3. grush57
4. papapanda
5. PaqMan
6. Nova_Terra
7. Sinensis
8. l10f
9. Mementoss
10. froggynoddy
11. Blazinghand

Let's just lynch in this order and win?

On May 11 2012 21:50 Mementoss wrote:


Wait,wait,wait,wait what?!

Does anyone else not see this.

1 is most likely scum and 11 is most likely town.

So he thinks Me, BH, and froggy are more town then HIMSELF. WHEN HE KNOWS HIS OWN ROLE. WTF? If he was actually town he would be 100% confirmed town on his own list.

This is a scum slip.

If I10F is scum, scum most likely lies between number 4 and number 7.

On April 27 2012 03:32 l10f wrote:
/in if you'll have me, I'll be pretty much free for the next 2 weeks.

Or I could play with Mattchew.

On May 08 2012 08:28 l10f wrote:


At least I voted for scum.

Sorry I missed the deadline to vote, but neither N_T or blubb looked scummier than Eiii to me, so I wouldn't have known which of the two to vote for even if I was here.

Especially with that last second switch that makes no sense...

On May 09 2012 12:31 l10f wrote:






1 day less!

Just saying, I don't think N_T is scum. I think a better lynch candidate will be...

marvellosity!

He's pretty much attacked every "easy" targets including BM, papa, me, N_T, (a little bit) blubb, and johnny. Protected Kenpachi and Katina, and he gets very defensive even at a one line poke at the side. Including all these quotes would make my post unnecessarily big, but I'm pretty confident on marv being scum.

On May 09 2012 12:32 l10f wrote:
What I mean to say about N_T being scum is, he's been too easy to push on both days, and if I'm right about marv, he jumped onto N_T vote fairly early and didn't switch to blubb. He must have known that they are both town!

I guess that really falls apart if marv flips blue though!

On May 09 2012 12:34 l10f wrote:
Also, I'm reading this thread often, I just don't post if I don't have anything to add to the discussion. I'm not really good at picking out many scum, but I think I'm pretty good at weighing other people's cases and using them to deduce who the scum is, so I just read all the cases and vote for the person I think is the most scummy. Neither N_T or blubb gave me that feeling last day, so I voted for neither. Again, I don't feel N_T is scum so I'm holding my vote for now. If we don't get a better candidate I'm gonna go with my gut feeling and vote marv.

On May 11 2012 13:45 l10f wrote:


Posting his reads on me != wanting me to be investigated.

You can, if you want, but you won't find anything because I'm town. At least, I haven't done anything that would make anyone think I'm scum.

Anyway, it looks like I was right all along, scum is in Eiii/marv/grush. Eiii most likely.

On May 11 2012 22:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Also the idea that I'm somehow scum is utterly preposterous. Scum N1 at best had an extra half-KP. Typical Hatters either can't manually detonate their bombs, or must do so via action on a subsequent night. The Mafia Vigi has only 0.5 KP, and although it is technically possible that Mafia had 2 Vigis, 2 of the 3 Mafia players had to be sending in the night kills N1, which means at most one Mafia player had a free action that night.

On May 11 2012 22:33 marvellosity wrote:
Mementoss, a question for you - in the event of an NT/l10f scumteam, the thing that strikes me is Nova's post saying that lynching down the list was a good idea. Do you think they'd do that as a scumpair?

On May 11 2012 22:27 Mementoss wrote:
I10f has't even talked about half the people on his list in the whole game. The way that list was contstructed is pretty much a secret other than Eiii being top with grush and Marv. But there is barely any cases about grush and Marv from I10f's filter of 1 page.

Since how did froggy become super townie all of a sudden. What the hell has he even done?

Please read his filter BH. There is so many ridiculous statements. I'll point out a few.



I know this isn't much. But for a "townie" being completely free and apparently reading the thread. His filter is 1 pages and lackluster.



There is no way for him to know this. He is distancing himself from the townie lynch here. Never explains why he doesn't find N_T or blubb scummy. I think he has been distancing himself from townie lynches all game actually.

No vote day 1.
Eiii Day 2.
Grush day 3.



Doesn't ever explain why N_T is not scum. And this tone just seems like he pulled out a random name. Then writes a 2 line reason why.



Hes been so easy to push that he has been second in line for lynch every day. But never dies. So easy eh?



I dont post cases cuz im bad. (using the newb card) I read cases and pick the case that is on a townie. If that is to obvious I just vote for someone random and be the only person voting him.

Again WHY do you not think nova is scum.

Gut feeling is for scum. It's used when you have no fucking explanation for your actions and are to scared to say scummy shit and get caught.



This is a bit late from early game to be saying "Im town" for no reason. Hes not even suspected here. But I think its the third time in the thread where he throws in a "Im town" for good measures. Or a face to make people like him -_______________________-

Also the second part is so so so scummy. I haven't done anything to make anyone think im scum. What. So your purposely not doing anything and being safe so you don't look scummy? At least you have done that? You haven't done anything.

And again how do you know your right, that scum is in Eiii/marv/grush good thing you gave three options, for an out when one of them flips town.

I already explained why the list is scummy. Also BH made some good points on why the list is awful. If I10f is scum, he strategically placed people that are most likely to die tonight (mementoss, BH) and strategically placed his scum buddy around 4-7 after a couple mislynches so town would lose in the MLYL.

N_T I10f scum team.

On May 11 2012 21:50 Mementoss wrote:


Wait,wait,wait,wait what?!

Does anyone else not see this.

1 is most likely scum and 11 is most likely town.

So he thinks Me, BH, and froggy are more town then HIMSELF. WHEN HE KNOWS HIS OWN ROLE. WTF? If he was actually town he would be 100% confirmed town on his own list.

This is a scum slip.

If I10F is scum, scum most likely lies between number 4 and number 7.

On May 11 2012 18:48 Blazinghand wrote:


Right now we're 9-2, right? 8-2 after scum shoots. If we mislynch and scum shoots again, we're 6-2, then if we mislynch and scum shoots again, we're at 4-2, which is MYLO.

Assuming there aren't any more vigis (which I believe is fair; any vigis would have shot N1 or N2), and we don't get any medic saves, we have 2 mislynches before MYLO.

Also, assuming scum start by shooting the towniest players (though they'll probably spare me in hopes of hitting a medic or DT, or because they're worried I'm Medicced) and not making things easy on us, here's what your list says:

"I think we should lynch Eiii, Marv, then Grush. If none of those guys are scum, we lose"

well, let's say one of those 3 is scum. then you're saying

"I think we should lynch Eiii, marv, Grush, then Panda. If only one or if none of those gus are scum, we lose. I'm not even gonna consider the scumminess of N_T"

As a final note, you have definitely pointed out several players you think are townier than yourself, tipping your hand to the scumteam. Why not just mention your 3-4 biggest scumreads? like "hey guys I know we're all up on grush but there weren't significant wagons on Eiii or marv and I think those guys are scum"

Like, this was possibly the worst way to share your reads with the town.