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SomethingAwesome
Kiribati58 Posts
On May 07 2012 17:49 Sinensis wrote: I'm going to flip a coin. Heads is layabout, tails is NT: . .. ... Looks like it's Nova_Terra ##vote: Nova_Terra No. Read filters and explain why you are voting one over the other. There are still more then 10 hours to lynch. (and vote blubb) | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Look at his filter since a few of us called him out at about the same time yesterday. It's all sarcastic one-liners or posts that say so little I can't even find one worth quoting and putting here. He said he hasn't had time to make a case but he has had time to post about 15 times without saying anything. Since I called him out on abandoning Mementoss for what was a non-case on Kenpachi, he tells us he still thinks Mementoss is scummy but it didn't seem to get much support - did he push it? no. While he's at it, he also decides to point fingers at me and also blubbdavid, with a maximum of one sentence to back either up. It seems he is active, but unwilling to build or push any sort of case, instead preferring spam and fingerpointing all round. Still looks like scum. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
If this were a case on Mementoss or layabout (as examples) I'd be switching my vote now. My question though - are you sure it's not just because blubbdavid is bad? The impression, even from his pregame post On May 02 2012 21:24 blubbdavid wrote: Was about time. Watch out scum, because I will survive till the last day because I don't contribute much even though I am town sigh is that he doesn't know what he's doing and doesn't think properly. So there are a lot of DYH's case where he's pointing at blubb making terrible connections, or talking about lynching for information, etc. which could be explained away as terrible town. For reference, in LIII I resisted the lynch of Ottoxlol, a superscummy player, for 2 days on day 2 and day 3 because I thought he was just bad town, and that was in the end proven correct. Which is why in this circumstance I want to be convinced blubb is actually scummyscumscum and not just bad townie. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
So I've read the thread, and though I find the arguments against Laya the most convincing inI think at this point we should lynch into innactives/lurkers/low content posters. I realise I'm putting myself in the firing line but hear me out. Scum have just lost 2 players for free, as has been pointed out previously its gonna take a lot of mislynches for scum to be able to influence town discussion in any meaningful way, this means IMO the best thing for scum to do is to sit back and hope for town chaos and OMGUS to divide town and cause the most mislynching to happen. As such I think its far more likely for us to hit scum by lynching into that pool of players then even relying on evidence that relies on quite a bit of WIFOM in the case of Laya. As such those with posts least in both content and number (apart from me), Ghost and Kenpachi seem to me to be the most guilty of the above. As Kenpachi seems to not want to play (and I don't buy the 'scum think I'm scum' logic as that only works if you're confirmed town) I will: ##Vote Kenpachi I will be available all day today and tomorrow so that I can try to make up for my inactivity. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
But my scum team is along the lines of Blubbdavid, johnnywub + _______ Blubbdaivd: He supported BM as a "good lynch candidate" for being a "scummy lurker". He expressed a willingness to swap to BM. But he did not. He was trying to support a BM lynch without commiting to it himself. + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2012 05:17 blubbdavid wrote: Yeah, and BM is also a very good lynch candidate. A better one than Palmar atm. Both are acting stereotypically lurking scum and spouting townscumie. what does the last bit mean? On May 04 2012 05:48 BlackRaven wrote: blubb why are you saying a guy who hasn't posted anything is a better target than a guy you think is scum? Especially after your previous comments He gets called out by the late BlackRaven.... :3 On May 05 2012 02:54 blubbdavid wrote: I am also willing to lynch BM if there's no majority on grush. But: What even more important is than lynching scum D1is obtaining information. A BM lynch wouldn't us give much info, assuming he is scum. I still want to see panda's take on grush before I set my vote in stone. And lol, there's no way BM is going to be modkilled. The key thing here is that he is holding off of voting for BM in favor of grush. On May 05 2012 05:55 blubbdavid wrote: I have a suspicion: What if BM is scum, but doesn't want to play/ doesn't have time, so he sacrifices himself for the other scum? After supporting a BM lynch he then casts suspicion on everybody voting for BM whilst still calling BM scum. What is strange about this is that he supposedly thinks that scum would sacrifice a team member because he might not have time, but he later goes on to call grush town for calling out the two mafia players who were modkilled because they did not have time to play. After supporting a BM lynch he does not in fact follow it with a vote, why? Because he thinks grush is scum. Now you might be thinking that he should have reasons for this. I was. But when i looked, i found very few. read through blubbdavids posts and try to finish this sentence using the things that blubbdavid says, "grush is scummy because...." + Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 21:46 blubbdavid wrote: papapanda, unable to even graps that he has a bit more time than just one day, ready to sacrifice me although there are better options like grush. Till now, I have have defended myself better than grush, but papanda is willing to forgive grush for his action because he could be a semi-lurker. Like SA pointed out, reading minds for others, especially at such an early stage of the game is scummy. Palmar: his play here compared to Liar Game Mafia is opposite. In one game he is interested and active, here, well... Two options: 1. He has no special role here and therefore immediately lost interest. 2. He is scum, scumming scum. (Note: he is sheeping Kenpachi here, whereas in the other game he is playing king lol) grush is without doubt the scummiest player here, putting up a strong (read:nonexistant) defense. ##vote grush57 "grush is scummy because.... he didnt defend himself?" "papaganda is scumbuddies with grush" he is addressing papaganda On May 03 2012 22:51 blubbdavid wrote: Please, I have written more than this. And no, I have never played with you before. And I am only one game ahead of grush. And I would wait for grush posting his defense. I know that in your mind you already decided to definitely lynch me. It will be fun to see how you will come to grushs rescue. calls them both scumbuddies with a lot of confidence but no reasons. On May 04 2012 03:39 blubbdavid wrote: I am still waiting for grush to be useful. But going through his filter in other games, my hopes will be smited. Palmar looks like a good lynch candidate too, because he 1) isn't townielike, 2) isn't making much sense 3) voted for me without reasoning. I assume we still have 24h+ for voting? "grush is scummy because....I am waiting for grush to be useful. I do not expect him to be useful having read his past games." @grush: being "funny" is not very townlike. Being townie is ssrious bisnes. grush is scummy because.... On May 04 2012 07:36 blubbdavid wrote: Papapanda, what is your opinion on the current situation of grush? On May 04 2012 06:45 blubbdavid wrote: Come on grush, you are not helping. Isn't townie #1 defense rule to NEVER associate with scum? ??? On May 04 2012 07:43 blubbdavid wrote: So you are forcing yourself into believing that I am scum? If you don't think that I am scum then leave it at that and do some proper hunting. grush is scummy because.... well actually it looks like blubbdavid is talking to somebody that he thinks is town, he just tells him to play better. On May 04 2012 19:31 blubbdavid wrote: I have no read on Nova, he is pretty neutral atm. And I will stop tunneling grush for the time being, maybe he will come up with something useful. Still, I would be interested in papapanda's opinion. And katina, do some scumhunting. What is your opinion on grush? For Blazinghand, I think that he is townie, he's pretty active and is even making sense somehow. BM is still lurking scum imo. "grush is scummy because...." Blubbdavid admits that he has been tunnelling grush and promises to back off. (before giving reasons) On May 05 2012 02:54 blubbdavid wrote: I am also willing to lynch BM if there's no majority on grush. But: What even more important is than lynching scum D1is obtaining information. A BM lynch wouldn't us give much info, assuming he is scum. I still want to see panda's take on grush before I set my vote in stone. And lol, there's no way BM is going to be modkilled. "i still want to lynch grush because.... but i might switch..." grush is scummy because.... On May 05 2012 04:53 blubbdavid wrote: But grush admitted scum, and yet you don't see him as lynchcandidate. grush is scummy because.... he said he was scum! and yet blubbdavids reaction to that was to back off grush... He tunnels grush relentlessly without backing it up. He acts as if he is mistaken in pushing grush and adresses grush as if he were town. But grush is where his vote ended up. ##vote Blubbdavid | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
don't be silly. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote: Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote: ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote Kenpachi I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On May 07 2012 22:07 froggynoddy wrote: EBWOP: was reading through blubb's and then NT's filter's, (NT's attack of him seems odd: did he explain wtf he meant by that?!?) as former being your vote and the latter having the most votes. I'd rather blub defended himself as it will give us more to work with but a lot of what you've said, Laya, seem to be a criticism of blubb's Day 1 vote logic, which as we all know is bound to be weak. Most of our votes were bound to be wrong, and all of our logic to be hugely flawed due to limited evidence. So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contracitory/scummy because we have limited information? | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 07 2012 22:15 layabout wrote: So you are saying that it doesn't matter if your logic for voting on day1 is weak/contracitory/scummy because we have limited information? No, I'm saying that its less likely of being alignment indicative then actual thread activity at this point. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On May 07 2012 22:07 froggynoddy wrote: EBWOP: was reading through blubb's and then NT's filter's, (NT's attack of him seems odd: did he explain wtf he meant by that?!?) as former being your vote and the latter having the most votes. I'd rather blub defended himself as it will give us more to work with but a lot of what you've said, Laya, seem to be a criticism of blubb's Day 1 vote logic, which as we all know is bound to be weak. Most of our votes were bound to be wrong, and all of our logic to be hugely flawed due to limited evidence. Cause the Kenpachi case is so much better. Two policy lynches in a row, really? Is this how we are going to play town. Reading the recent filter, and how layabout has been responding and contributing I am not sure if he is scum or not, I will not be voting him today. Why vote Kenpachi when he is getting replaced...? Anyone voting on him, take the time to look into the cases, vote the best one and explain it. A vote on kenpachi is a cop out to allow yourself to lurk and not contribute. I will be voting either NT or Blubb, I will switch to make the other get lynched if needed. I think both are good lynches that have good chance to flip scum. DYH presented a good case on blubb, but as other pointed out, I am not sure if it is just bad town play or not, im leaning towards scum. In nova_terras case I know it isn't bad town, cause I have seen his town play a lot, and although he may not be right, he puts in a lot of effort. He has put in 0 effort this game. If he is town, he is being retarded. For now I will leave my vote on NT. -Also stop spamming up the thread, im glad SA un buried DYH good case against blubb. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On May 07 2012 22:19 froggynoddy wrote: No, I'm saying that its less likely of being alignment indicative then actual thread activity at this point. But Kenpachi has been more "active" than froggnoddy, Eiii, l10f, ghost_403 johnnywub, grush, mementoss, sinensis and papaganda. He might not even have PC acess at the momnet | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 07 2012 22:12 layabout wrote: I would love to know how you felt that this: + Show Spoiler + On May 07 2012 04:37 Nova_Terra wrote: Next, Kenpachi Absolutely worthless, if you consider his connection case useful i dunno what to say Vote: Kenpachi On May 07 2012 13:19 PaqMan wrote: Just found out that I'm probably going to miss the lynch. I guess it doesn't bother anyone how fast a wagon formed on NT? I don't feel comfortable putting my vote back onto him. Hence this quote: His only post since D2 started. He ninja-voted D1, isn't contributing and the few posts he has are very lackluster. From what I understand Kenpachi is a veteran, yet he's been the least helpful out of everyone (excluding Froggynoddy, who is inactive). Also this gem: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 06:31 Kenpachi wrote: ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? DO YOU NOT NOTICE THE TREND HERE? NT i thought at first was not mafia but then layabout cames along and throws in POLICY LYNCH TIME NO NO NO WTF? NO i believe layabout and NT are mafia together because NT NT had aroused suspicions in thread andended in hotshit. He was completely saved by something so stupid. layabout, as his buttbuddy saves him with such a weak push that only the newbs are following. by experience, policy lynch almost always never works. its a scare tactic, not an actual method used to lynch people, especially day 1 i also believe marvellosity is mafia with them because he said NT is scummy and changes his mind like nothing happened such a contradiction, they were made about 3 hours apart. BM is a potent player and everyone knows that. I feel day 1 lynching a veteran is the worst thing you can do. If i were mafia, id put BM near the top of my priority list just because of his sheer experience. He made his scum reads and calls out who he believes to be the remaining scum team. But he doesn't push for their lynch or pressure them or anything at all. As of now I think Kenpachi is a better option than NT. ##Vote Kenpachi I'm hoping I'll make it back before the deadline but I'm not too sure. was the best lynch to support? Why dont you have a look through here and tell me what you learn about kenpachi's play? Then address the cases on the people that should get lynched: Blubbdavid or Nova_Terra or might get mislynched: layabout. Ok, so... are you trying to show me that because he plays like this both as town and scum we should excuse untowny behaviour? I don't like that as an argument as untowny behaviour should always be punished. That being said I understand that perhaps this would be a better job for any vigs we have left. It just seems unlikely unless we do unless we have a pyro. I will keep reading through threads and see if anything convinces me. As I said, other than what I think about lynching into inactives, NT's weird post (see above post) and your hard defence on Katina seem like the strongest indications of scumminess imo. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On May 07 2012 22:26 froggynoddy wrote: Ok, so... are you trying to show me that because he plays like this both as town and scum we should excuse untowny behaviour? I don't like that as an argument as untowny behaviour should always be punished. That being said I understand that perhaps this would be a better job for any vigs we have left. It just seems unlikely unless we do unless we have a pyro. I will keep reading through threads and see if anything convinces me. As I said, other than what I think about lynching into inactives, NT's weird post (see above post) and your hard defence on Katina seem like the strongest indications of scumminess imo. It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi. It just seems unlikely unless we do unless we have a pyro I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 07 2012 22:35 layabout wrote: It was more of an "inactivity from a player that's always inactive is meaningless". There is also some merit to the notion that scum will try to lynch Kenpachi. Ok, you might have a point. Will look harder at thread, I just found the cases so far unconvincing (but I guess thats to be expected at this point in the game), and as town is so far ahead I reasoned that policy lynches might not be so bad. I am not sure what you are trying to say but blue pyro's are trackers not not vigis. My bad, just missunderstood read Kurumi's explanatory post regarding Pyros and assumed that the explanation was for both alignment's roles. | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
1. I retract my point about Layabout's defence on Katina as being one of the most conclusive points... that was just plain bad reasoning and has been talked about and refuted enough, apologies. 2. Though I am not 100% convinced about people's (laya and mem) defence of Kenpachi, It doesn't seem likely I am gonna convince anyone so I will try and find other people I think are most likely to be scum. 2. This is the best post in the whole thread and I am inclined to agree with it, specifically as blubb has taken his sweet time trying to respond. ##Unvote ##Vote Blubbdavid Defend yourself. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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SomethingAwesome
Kiribati58 Posts
On May 07 2012 14:05 DoYouHas wrote: Part 1 I suppose I should start with far and away the scummiest of blubbdavid's posts and then tack on all the extras after to seal the deal. 1. This is awkwardly phrased considering SA had just said that he thinks blubb is scum. 2. Daring SA to try and lynch you? Where is this coming from? For someone who has played the "my bad, don't hold it against me" card as well as a "I give up" defense this is extremely out of character and scummy. Not only that, he states his read that SA is scum because SA doesn't want to vote for him yet which immediately makes his next statement absurd. 3. This is the part that really got me wanting to lynch blubb. Let us think about this ridiculous scenario that blubb has put forth between SA and layabout. Supposedly at this point blubb believes both SA and layabout to be scum, or at the very least highly suspicious. So in what world does it make sense that one scum(SA) is going to 'buddy' ANOTHER SCUM(laya), another scum who just happens to be under a fair bit of scrutiny atm. Even forgetting the scrutiny part it doesn't make sense. In blubb's attempt to defend against SA's claim that blubb seemed to know people's roles he slips again and gives us this buddying scenario. The only way that it can possibly make sense is if blubb KNOWS that layabout is town. 4. Didn't sheep the vote of layabout, true, but then there is this: For someone who has been fixated on attacking others (mainly layabout) for pushing a BM lynch you were awful ready to jump on the train to secure the lynch. Part 2 Seriously, obtaining information is more important than lynching scum D1 according to blubb. This is the reasoning he uses to say that BM was a bad lynch. This is just so incredibly wrong from a town POV. Lynch a lurker scum d1 you get all the info of the people fighting/pushing the lynch + the chance to get rid of a scum power + YOU JUST KILLED SCUM, CMON. blubb quotes JW's good post on laya's behavior and then does what? Reinforce a point(s) he liked? no. Expand or provide further analysis? no. What we get is this statement, "It took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled." What purpose does this serve? This statement isn't, "I also think it took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled." or "If it took scum by surprise that Kat was modkilled then...". I think that the lack of relevance paired with the certainty on something that shouldn't have been able to go past speculation makes this likely to be a scumslip. Part 3 Inconsistencies and WIFOM: blubb calls out Katina which normally would mean that blubb would have taken note of Katina's past posts as well as be waiting for a response to this call out. Then we get this: This is after I made my case and slOosh had switched his vote. A consistent blubb would already have been up to date on Katina and this comment would have been either been accepting, refuting, or critiquing my case instead of playing at being ignorant. WIFOM: There are a few more examples of each I could pull for this section, but I feel like I would just be diluting my argument. TLDR: blubbdavid is scum, scumming scum ##Vote: blubbdavid cant be posted enough -Mattchew | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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