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On May 02 2012 18:26 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 07:30 Ace wrote:Well I'm sure not gonna vote for phagga now  prphlz how come you jump to conclusions so fast?! funny considering how you voted for him yesterday while yelling scum
I didn't want to give him a 3rd vote and let someone hammer him so early into the day. That's all
On May 02 2012 21:38 prplhz wrote:
i'd say ace was just as good a n1 target as SLJ, if not better. rad was more or less confirmed (scum can just fake dt checks), snarfs literally confirmed (scum can't fake a guy dying). i'm not a huge supporter of ace lynch today but i don't see any reason to call him town.
So I'm not doing well this game, but I'd make an awesome Night 1 target? come on :/
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I don't want to hammer prp just yet as it looks like it's between him and phagga.
Phagga had 2 quick votes yesterday when I last posted in the thread, and no one else voted for him.
prp caught 3 in the mean time.
I know I didn't put a vote on phagga since I didn't want him catching 4 quick votes and people not being around/feigning inactivity to take them off. I think with prp getting those 3 votes that makes him more than likely Town with phagga being more likely Scum.
Of course that means we'd have to look at prp's wagon and only 1 of the other 2 voters (take phagga out) can be scum: s&b or Sbrubbles.
This is IF you subscribe to my idea that phagga is Scum in this scenario.
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On May 03 2012 03:13 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Purplehaze's first defense post] +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
My cases are always short and always weak, that's probably one of the reasons nobody ever listens to me. I could mention my case on MrZentor in Death Factory Mafia 2, you can go read that. It's a more wordy version of the case I have on strongandbig right now but it's pretty much the same. Or you can look at the case I made on Artanis[Xp] in TL Mafia LVI, that was equally "weak". You can also look at how I just dismiss Artanis[Xp]'s defense in that game, I'm pretty sure he is scum and I don't want to argue shit with him. I know my case is "weak" because I can't really explain it any more to you than what I've already done. The most important thing I'm doing is that I'm pointing out that he is scum and telling you to read his filter and then that should convince. This isn't a real argument. prplhz is saying "I'm not making weak cases because I'm scummy, I'm making weak cases because that's what I always do. BTW guys he's scum." That doesn't actually explain why the cases are weak. Basically, this is a perfect way for mafia to hide; if you never have to make a real case on anyone because you just don't ever make real cases on anyone, then people can't suspect you for not ever making actual cases on anyone. what, how is that not valid? recently i made a lot of these weak cases as scum so clearly it's not a sign of me being mafia. how is that not valid?Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
I'm also perfectly aware that my day1 and day2 were ruined by some guy who decided to make those a horrible experience for me by demonstratively being a douchebag. That's also why I had a break day2, I couldn't read one more of his posts after the "Why are you even playing this game?" post so I took some time off of teamliquid.net.
This is impossible to verify. Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
All I can say is that I'm pretty sure that strongandbig is scum and now I'm pushing it as hard as I can.
lol. "the important part is where I say he smells like scum."
seriously. you are grasping for straws here when you're attacking something that is clearly not meant as anything (other than hinting that my read is gutty).Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
As for the "he's trying to set up day2 lynch", why is that even scum? I'm never trying to ruin discussion (and we have always had plenty of time for that even though he didn't use it all that well), I was telling Radfield that we were lynching MrZentor as a way of pushing MrZentor. I didn't want people to leave his lynch and if I didn't fight for it then it might not happen.
This is patently false. There was no need to push the Zentor lynch so hard; the bandwagon was moving. Show nested quote +so you have never seen radfield tell people who to lynch and then just have people follow it blindly? i remember my first game with radfield where he actually saved me by coming into the thread 2 hours before deadline without having any prior thread presence, making a short case, and then having everybody shift to that guy so he was lynched over me. radfield is a pretty persuasive guy. Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
Even though you are really tunneling me right here you played a pretty good game, I was absolutely sure that you were town even before your shot on VisceraEyes and that shot was also really nice.
Sucking up to people attacking you seems pretty scummy to me. Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
For people reading Snarfs' case on me, don't ask yourself "Is this scum?", because you can always find a way to spin something as scummy (which Snarfs shows quite skillfully in his analysis of me), you should ask yourself "Is this something scum is likely to do?" and then you should read my filter. And ask me questions 'cause I'm around. The WIFOM defense. He can't be scum, because scum wouldn't do that! If it's scummy then it's scummy then it's scummy then lynch it. + Show Spoiler [Purplehaze's second defense post] +On May 01 2012 05:28 prplhz wrote:
strongandbig made false contributions, marvellosity was very blunt in his opinions. Really, it's not just what they said 'cause people say tons of shit all the time, it's the way they said it. When I say that strongandbig's filter is empty then I don't mean that if you click it then no posts show up, I mean that all his posts are pretty useless and it looks like he's just skirting by. It's gutty and we can lynch phagga instead if you want to but my gut tells me that strongandbig is the way to go. I wasn't perfectly sure about marvellosity's innocence until he said, at 4 votes and a bunch of people in the lurk, "people, just lynch me" because scum would never ever say stuff like that, it's too dangerous especially when there are lurkers about.
Pretty sure Zentor said that same stuff. He just was more of a dick about it. We were even talking in the thread about how giving up like that can be a scum tell. Anyway this is a bunch of unwarranted assertions with no evidence, which aren't actually true. He eventually admits his read on me is a gut read too.e so what about zentor? in the end i wasn't even that sure he was scum but i just wanted him out of the game so i could focus, and you know, maybe he'd flip scum. i don't care what the fuck somebody did in relation to somebody else, what was i clearly trying to do with marvellosity? i was clearly trying to save a town, i was trying to organize a no-lynch and make sure that nobody would be dissatisfied with it. read the thread and this is what you will see. i try to make snarfs and sbrubbles and forumite come around with a very logical and behavioral argument that i think was 100% sure but i didn't want another no-lynch fiasco so i needed the people thinking marvellosity was scum on board. scum don't tell people to lynch them in that situation, they just don't. only town would ever have anything to gain from that. now you can dismiss this with WIFOM and then i'll write a case on you and dismiss every townie thing you did as WIFOM too, because that's the magic of WIFOM, you can use it to ruin everything if you're not careful.Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
"But how do you know that there are lurkers about?" there are always people coming in close to deadline. Even though 2.5 hours before was cutting it a little short for a vote-switch, just see how many people showed up (and later than me), we could easily have succeeded!
I'm pretty pissed that you and Forumite and Sbrubbles weren't sufficiently around to agree to a no-lynch, or even a switch to someone else because that would have helped us a lot.
See Snarf's post (the part I quoted) for the explanation of why a no-lynch is better for scum than a mislynch. Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
I wasn't around day2? I was around in the beginning to secure the lynch and then I took a break. I was around again day3.
See above. Excuses for lurking = scummy imo. Show nested quote +calling it an excuse sounds biased. it was an explanation. now you can judge whether you believe it or not, could scum really fake this kind of frustration? what scummy interest could i really have in not being around for a day? i've been very vocal and active all game through, why the hell would i shake in my pants at being around day2? would scum ever think to themselves "i'll just go away for a day and then come up with a weird excuse and people will probably never think i'm scum for this". don't say "WIFOM", actually think about this. i'm almost as townie as bluelightz. Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
No, I'm not going to tell you why I was very sure that you were town. I'm not blue or anything it was just how you appeared to me in the thread.
More gut reads with no evidence or assertions or anything. Great for scum, since their town gut reads never have to be wrong! Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
marvellosity was mislynched and I unvoted with him at 6 votes. I was a little conflicted about this because I thought people might yell at me for ultimately voting for a guy who I was simultaneously saying was town, but when I saw that his lynch was secure I unvoted him.
Admits that he changes his actions based on what will get him criticized the least. Show nested quote +lol so what? do you think townies have any reason to want to get yelled at for no reason? look at my filter, do you think i have in any way during this game changed my actions otherwise based on what will get me criticized the least? why was i so afraid of a totally irrelevant vote (yes, that vote was totally irrelevant to the game) when i have been very much out there all game long with dumb gut reads and whatnot? Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
If you read the thread you can see me ask you three people who wanted to lynch him to take care of business and brow beat people into doing whatever you felt like, even though I prefer lynches to no-lynches it's not really me who should be trying to secure it when I'm quite sure it's a mislynch.
This doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
There was no desperation, and how would desperation even be scummy?
The "desperation" is in the fact that the case just doesn't exist. I "smell scummy to you"? Really, you just picked me out of a fucking hat. That's how serious your "case" seems. Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote:
Why would I, in your words, be "desperate" and make up a "weak case" that I would "have to follow" when a mislynch was coming up? Why would I up to the deadline say "this guy is really town, look at him and the stuff he is saying" and try to convince you three of a no-lynch (you were the reason we mislynched, a mislynch is only preferable if people think that the person is actually scum). Really, I was doing what was best for town and while you say that 2.5 hours before deadline is a little late, look when everybody else came in. Even later.
Now, let me talk about what he hasn't responded to at all in Snarf's case. - There's the fact that puprlehaze combined a defense of VE and a push to keep Radfield from talking about non-Zentor lynch candidates, in the same post. - There's the random jumping around between lynch targets on Day 3. - There's the random jumping to Phagga as a lynch target today, too. Seriously, his whole filter is basically "pick someone random (me in this case) and tunnel them for no reason" combined with "but also randomly throw in votes and accusations at basically everyone else without ever explaining any reasons for those either."
this is not really what i have done but, do you in any way think that scum would ever think "i am going to pick someone random (me in this case) and tunnel them for no reason but also randomly throw in votes and accusations at basically everyone else without ever explaining any reasons for those either"? no this is not WIFOM, it's clearly more likely that town would end up doing stuff like this (inadvertently!).
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On May 03 2012 04:04 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 18:26 prplhz wrote:On May 02 2012 07:30 Ace wrote:Well I'm sure not gonna vote for phagga now prphlz how come you jump to conclusions so fast?! funny considering how you voted for him yesterday while yelling scum I didn't want to give him a 3rd vote and let someone hammer him so early into the day. That's all Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 21:38 prplhz wrote:
i'd say ace was just as good a n1 target as SLJ, if not better. rad was more or less confirmed (scum can just fake dt checks), snarfs literally confirmed (scum can't fake a guy dying). i'm not a huge supporter of ace lynch today but i don't see any reason to call him town. So I'm not doing well this game, but I'd make an awesome Night 1 target? come on :/ lolol scum would shoot you n1 because no medic/jailer in their right mind would protect you. i'm conjecturing that you're intentionally playing badly to avoid suspicion when you survive too long (which is actually kind of good play which makes more sense considering that you're a god of mafia)
if you end up in 2v1 and ace is alive then you kill him
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awesome, we've gotten to the point where prp is arguing with himself :D
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On May 03 2012 04:24 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:04 Ace wrote:On May 02 2012 18:26 prplhz wrote:On May 02 2012 07:30 Ace wrote:Well I'm sure not gonna vote for phagga now prphlz how come you jump to conclusions so fast?! funny considering how you voted for him yesterday while yelling scum I didn't want to give him a 3rd vote and let someone hammer him so early into the day. That's all On May 02 2012 21:38 prplhz wrote:
i'd say ace was just as good a n1 target as SLJ, if not better. rad was more or less confirmed (scum can just fake dt checks), snarfs literally confirmed (scum can't fake a guy dying). i'm not a huge supporter of ace lynch today but i don't see any reason to call him town. So I'm not doing well this game, but I'd make an awesome Night 1 target? come on :/ lolol scum would shoot you n1 because no medic/jailer in their right mind would protect you. i'm conjecturing that you're intentionally playing badly to avoid suspicion when you survive too long (which is actually kind of good play which makes more sense considering that you're a god of mafia) if you end up in 2v1 and ace is alive then you kill him
Hey - being alive isn't a scum tell
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Ace: Is your argument that prplhz is more likely scum than phagga because he's got more votes on him, and you think the remaining scum are going to vote for the same person?
It seems very unlikely to me that phagga is scum, since I don't think scum would have started bussing each other as early on as he started attacking VE
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote:ok, catching up. game mechanics stuff: - Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town. - After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation). On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his " really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction.
I also don't think that they would have kept at for more than one post, much less have made it pretty much the only thing they were saying:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 02:50 phagga wrote:
I was not on the whole time, but whatever.
Yes, I still think VE is fishy, one post with some halfbaked accusations is not gonna change that. And no, I am not up for a Radfield or Ace lynch, as I think bot VE or MrZentor are better targets. Sbrubbles lurking is disappointing, but that's rather a last resort.
I would like to hear something from MrZentor soon.
Also, I think s&b's case on Snarf is rather stretched, I don't see any of the two as scummy currently.
Bluelightz defense of VE seems strange, even for him. I know he can be superlazy, but normally he is still making sense as town somehow. Still not on the scummy side however.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 21:39 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 20:45 Bluelightz wrote:On April 23 2012 20:39 prplhz wrote:
I don't recall saying "HURR DURR" and I don't know how any of that qualifies as "speculation", but alright. its an exaggeration. Anyway, if you guys want my thoughts on VE, here it is VE is town.This is what I argue when I claim town on day 1 etc, Would scum REALLY put themselves in the spotlight like that? Uh, my impression is that he exactly tried to avoid putting himself in the spotlight. He has 5 posts, which are a town list, 2 defensive posts about himself and zentor, a heart to rad and a post about game mechanics where he also tries to find out more about Aces possible plan(s). That's not putting yourself in the spotlight. Actually, that last post seems a bit strange, now that I read it again. He has not activily participated in this discussion about game mechanics but suddenly seems interested in knowing how Ace would deal with the situation? When I look through his posts again, this one feels out of place in comparison to the others. + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 00:08 VisceraEyes wrote:@Ace: I think it looks a lot like your Hypothetical Situation 2. The only issue I have with it is that we don't know if there's a cop OR medic present, where your HS2 was assuming an open setup. Wanna walk me through how your plan works if there are no medics/cops present Ace? Also, he is one of the few people who is not openly supporting a mason claim. @Radfield: + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2012 19:22 Radfield wrote:Marvellosity, you need to step it up. More content please. Also, if you want filters do the work and make them yourself, it takes all of 5 minutes. Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote:ok, catching up. game mechanics stuff: - Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town. - After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation). On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his " really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction. This is the definition of a 'safe' post. Everything in this post is a popular opinion that has already been mentioned by someone else. It hits slightly on all the major points of this game, without going into detail on any of them. Zentor -> parroting Forumite and talking like Zentor is scum, yet not stating that explicitly nor voting for him. Visceraeyes -> following Toads lead(backed by me), and again indirectly talking as if Visceraeyes is scum(or SK), without actually saying it. Ace and Radfield -> again parroting others points and slinging a bit of mud towards two strong players, without actually calling them out. So phagga, what is your actual opinion here? You seem to think both Zentor and VE are scummy, yet are doing nothing about it. Additionally, I have responded to Shrubbles, what do you think of my response? My problem is that I have a hard time making out something new, something that has not been said yet. There is not much content so far (which is partially my fault), and there is a lot of game mechanics talk that does not really show anything about the alignement of players, specially as pretty much everyone involved in the discussion agrees on the general concept. What exactly do you expect? That I'm going to make stuff up only for the sake of being original? Also, You can believe me or not, but the fact that Ace was only talking about game mechanics and not trying to scum hunt crossed my mind before he was called out for this by someone else. Alas, I was too slow, so it looks like I'm parroting. I'm still a bit undecided on who to vote on, which is way I have not voted yet. I think it is going to be VisceraEyes for now, but I want to read through Zentors filter first. Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 18:37 Radfield wrote:On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote:
Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now. On the Zentor/prplhz exchange, you defend Zentor, but agree with Forumite on Zentor's case on prplhz being weak:
1Correct. I'm not sure what you find suspicious about that. Someone making a weak case is certainly no indication of them being scum, especially when that case is made in the first half of day 1 I didn't think Zentor's case was strong, yet I also didn't see Zentor as scum. However, both of those things may change with time.
And now, you're indirectly accusing prplhz, even though there has been no case on him (besides Zentor's, which you implied was weak) and haven't made one of your own. What's up with that?
2Something about prplhz is tickling my senses, though I haven't reread the game yet. I started to last night, but was too tired to focus. So now I'm up early with the intention of putting in some time before work. Prplhz is simply a bit too quiet for my liking at any rate.
Also, you were the first to offer to vote VE (without an actual explanation as to why), and waited until someone else appeared voting for him in order to actually cast your vote. Is this merely a coincidence or were you waiting for someone else to accuse and vote him in order for yourself not to stand out?
3My reasons are my own for voting VE, though they will materialize in the thread before the day is out. The short version is that I've played scum with VE lately, and so far this reminds me of that game. 1 I agree with you that it's no issue. 2 So you just fling some mud into a vets direction without any hard facts? 3So you have a good reason to vote VE, but withhold because... well, you keep us in the dark why you are not telling us. why can't you tell us? Is the explanation going to be so long, are you waiting for more info? I don't see you as scum atm. I just thought that sbrubbles actually saw two good points (the second and the third) and I wanted to point out that I share his sentiment and that I want your reaction too.
Note that all three of those were before Radfield made his bigass case on VE and everyone realized VE was scum.
Then he kept on it after that huge case:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 02:50 phagga wrote:
I was not on the whole time, but whatever.
Yes, I still think VE is fishy, one post with some halfbaked accusations is not gonna change that. And no, I am not up for a Radfield or Ace lynch, as I think bot VE or MrZentor are better targets. Sbrubbles lurking is disappointing, but that's rather a last resort.
I would like to hear something from MrZentor soon.
Also, I think s&b's case on Snarf is rather stretched, I don't see any of the two as scummy currently.
Bluelightz defense of VE seems strange, even for him. I know he can be superlazy, but normally he is still making sense as town somehow. Still not on the scummy side however.
So Ace tell me, why do you find Phagga more suspicious than prplhz? Or sbrubbles for that matter?
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Throwing accusations at your teammate is not bussing. Bussing is actively leading your partner to get lynched. I really wish you people would understand these terms before throwing them around.
I found phagga suspicious based on his actions at the end of the last lynch. I think that its very suspect for someone to show up at the end of the day for a vote when they were missing for all of the 48 hours where discussion took place.
As much as prp has been throwing accusations around, I find phagga's action far more incriminating.
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Vote Count
strongandbig
prplhz
phagga 3
prplhz
Forumite
Ace
prplhz 3
strongandbig
phagga
Sbrubbles
blueliightz
Forumite 1
Bluelightz
7 left, 4 to kick.
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What now? I don´t expect Sbrubbles or S&B to switch, and I don´t want to lynch prplhz over phagga.
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ROFL bluelightz is not going to be around for deadline 'cause it's not in his timezone which means that we're going to no lynch now unless s&b or sbrubbles switches
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General consensus: What's worse, a town-lynch or a no-lynch?
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DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION
if you're just going to tunnel the same guy again tomorrow then get it over with
if you're going to change your mind then no-lynch
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and most likely, you're going to want to lynch the same guy again tomorrow
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lol people need to get a lot more active this is horrible
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On May 03 2012 05:38 Forumite wrote:
What now? I don´t expect Sbrubbles or S&B to switch, and I don´t want to lynch prplhz over phagga.
Why don't you want to lynch prplhz over phagga?
I do want to lynch prplhz over phagga.
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On May 03 2012 04:47 Ace wrote:
I found phagga suspicious based on his actions at the end of the last lynch. I think that its very suspect for someone to show up at the end of the day for a vote when they were missing for all of the 48 hours where discussion took place.
As much as prp has been throwing accusations around, I find phagga's action far more incriminating.
I tried to be as transparent about this as I could. Would you have preferred a no-lynch in that situation?
And no, me being around earlier was not an option.
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On May 03 2012 06:18 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 05:38 Forumite wrote:
What now? I don´t expect Sbrubbles or S&B to switch, and I don´t want to lynch prplhz over phagga. Why don't you want to lynch prplhz over phagga? I do want to lynch prplhz over phagga.
I think prplhz is town, that´s why I don´t want to lynch him. I think phagga looks scummy, that´s why, if the lynch is between prplhz and him, I´m voting phagga. I imagine it´s the same, but reverse, for you, yes?
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I am pretty convinced that the 2 remaining scum are in the group of Ace, sbrubbles and prplhz. It's up to you guys to figure out who it is, I'm sure the nightkill will help you. If we go to a no-lynch now, we'll just be in the same situation tomorrow, but in mylo. So let's get some progress, even it will put town to lylo.
##Unvote prplhz
##Vote phagga
Good luck town, you'll need it.
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