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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
scum shot radfield because he was confirmed town and because he's quite good at this game scum shot snarfs because he was confirmed town and because he's quite good at this game (except his case on me but he was coming around) scum didn't shoot ace even though he's "confirmed town" through a check and he's quite good at this game doesn't add up to me | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On May 02 2012 21:18 prplhz wrote: scum shot SLJ because they thought he wouldn't be medic protected and he's quite good at this game scum shot radfield because he was confirmed town and because he's quite good at this game scum shot snarfs because he was confirmed town and because he's quite good at this game (except his case on me but he was coming around) scum didn't shoot ace even though he's "confirmed town" through a check and he's quite good at this game doesn't add up to me Hmm... Scum shot SLJ because he was best target n1, Agree? Scum Shot Rad cause he was literally confirmed, agree? Scum shot snarfs because he was more or less confirmed agree? Scum didnt shoot Ace (yet), and he's being scummy as fuck and townies liek you are doubting the check becuz of this, agree? | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
This buddying between forumite and prplhz where they both just assert that the other one is "most likely town" without giving any reasons makes no sense to me. Unless they're both masons or something, which would just be trollolol given how this game started off. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Thinking of voting prplhz.... maybe.... | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On May 02 2012 22:27 prplhz wrote: lol bluelightz do what radfield asked you to and find one scum at a time. your conspiracy theories only serve to confuse yourself. Okay then  ##Vote: prplhz. I will try hang s&b tommorow if you slip scum though :p | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
this is another reason that [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14548768] this post was so bad, ace is not voting phagga because of something that i did. that post is bad on so many levels that ace has to be trolling this game. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
##Unvote: prplhz ##Vote:Forumite I'm going to vote my most sure scum read I guess. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Seven alive, majority is four Prplhz (3): Strongandbig Phagga Sbrubbles Phagga (2): Prplhz Forumite Forumite (1): Bluelightz Strongandbig (0): Not yet voted: Ace Bluelightz, if you actually want to get someone who might be scum lynched, you should change your vote back to prplhz. I agree that Forumite has been acting kind of suspiciously, although I think less so than Ace or prplhz; but we're currently heading towards a no lynch, so even if Forumite is your #1 scumread you should change your vote to prplhz. Let me summarize some key points from Snarfs' case on prplhz that haven't been answered to my satisfaction: - He started day 1 going after MrZentor, but as soon as I made my case on Snarfs he voted him with no explanation, trying to sheep whatever he thought the town bandwagon would be; - He posted a case on Zentor right at the end of the day when it was too late to discuss, despite having written it earlier; - He lurked most of day 2, and joined in the "focus on Zentor, don't talk about other lynch targets" thing; - He claimed to want to avoid a no lynch day 3, but then kept throwing around random targets, including his absolutely inane "case" against me - which he seems to be sticking with; - He also hasn't been at all interested in discussing his case on me, or responding to my answers, which he would do if he was really a townie who thought I was scum; I still have no clue why Forumite is so insistent that prplhz is town. It's really making me think that Forumite might be one of the scum, instead of (or even together with) Ace. But either way, he seems pretty insistent on it. So to Ace and Bluelightz - at least one of you is probably town. Either (1) vote for prplhz, (2) tell me why you're so incredibly sure that he's town that you're willing to take another no lynch, or (3) make a case on someone else that's so ridiculously strong that there will be a mass switch to them in the next six hours. Actually forget number three, because it would take a case as persuasive as Radfield's on VE, and I don't think either of you are going to do that. Vote for prplhz, or tell us why you'd prefer a no lynch. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On May 03 2012 00:47 strongandbig wrote: UNOFFICIAL VOTECOUNT, LYNCH IN ~6 HOURS Seven alive, majority is four Prplhz (3): Strongandbig Phagga Sbrubbles Phagga (2): Prplhz Forumite Forumite (1): Bluelightz Strongandbig (0): Not yet voted: Ace Bluelightz, if you actually want to get someone who might be scum lynched, you should change your vote back to prplhz. I agree that Forumite has been acting kind of suspiciously, although I think less so than Ace or prplhz; but we're currently heading towards a no lynch, so even if Forumite is your #1 scumread you should change your vote to prplhz. Let me summarize some key points from Snarfs' case on prplhz that haven't been answered to my satisfaction: - He started day 1 going after MrZentor, but as soon as I made my case on Snarfs he voted him with no explanation, trying to sheep whatever he thought the town bandwagon would be; - He posted a case on Zentor right at the end of the day when it was too late to discuss, despite having written it earlier; - He lurked most of day 2, and joined in the "focus on Zentor, don't talk about other lynch targets" thing; - He claimed to want to avoid a no lynch day 3, but then kept throwing around random targets, including his absolutely inane "case" against me - which he seems to be sticking with; - He also hasn't been at all interested in discussing his case on me, or responding to my answers, which he would do if he was really a townie who thought I was scum; I still have no clue why Forumite is so insistent that prplhz is town. It's really making me think that Forumite might be one of the scum, instead of (or even together with) Ace. But either way, he seems pretty insistent on it. So to Ace and Bluelightz - at least one of you is probably town. Either (1) vote for prplhz, (2) tell me why you're so incredibly sure that he's town that you're willing to take another no lynch, or (3) make a case on someone else that's so ridiculously strong that there will be a mass switch to them in the next six hours. Actually forget number three, because it would take a case as persuasive as Radfield's on VE, and I don't think either of you are going to do that. Vote for prplhz, or tell us why you'd prefer a no lynch. To convince mr. blue first, MAKE A REAL FUCKING CASE. that is all. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Oh, s&b please answer this: WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING SURE PRP IS SCUM? I THINK HE'S TOWN. I'M NOT VOTING HIM. YOU GOT THAT?. WHY ARE YOU SO MUCH TRYING TO SECURE THIS (MAYBE) MISLYNCH? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On May 03 2012 00:52 Bluelightz wrote: I don't mind a no-lynch today as if we ML we'll be lylo tommorow :/. If there is any information roles its good I guess :| . Oh, s&b please answer this: WHY ARE YOU SO FUCKING SURE PRP IS SCUM? I THINK HE'S TOWN. I'M NOT VOTING HIM. YOU GOT THAT?. WHY ARE YOU SO MUCH TRYING TO SECURE THIS (MAYBE) MISLYNCH? Because of the case snarfs made on him. It was very persuasive. Snarfs analyzed everything that prp had done this game and explained how it made way more sense from a mafia mindset than it did from a town mindset. And nothing prp or anyone else has said since then has explained his actions. Here is a link to that case. Also if you're so sure he's town why did you vote him like three hours ago? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Finally - being in MYLO tomorrow is actually worse for town than being in LYLO, because it's harder to lynch correctly with more targets. That's also something snarfs explained in his big post before he died. Unless you plan on no-lynching tomorrow, we don't actually gain any time by no lynching today; and even if we no lynch both today and tomorrow, giving ourselves an extra day, that puts scum in control over who dies rather than town. During day 3, it benefits mafia much more than town to cause a no-lynch rather than a mislynch. The only thing town has to gain is another no-lynch, which they have to use in order for it to be remotely beneficial. Even then, you are sacrificing a confirmed alignment of a suspicious player for an extra day where that player is still alive. The tradeoff is this: - 2 suspicious town members dead, 2 not suspicious town members killed by mafia, going into lylo on day 5 (3:2 town:scum) vs - 1 suspicious town member dead, 3 not suspicious town members killed by mafia, going into lylo on day 6 (3:2 town:scum Scum would much rather be in charge of which town members are dying than letting town kill off their most suspicious reads to work their way towards lynching red. Especially when one of those town members is a town-vigilante ("confirmed" town). And remember, the second option only occurs if town actually no-lynches a second time. If mafia can convince town to mislynch twice in two days, then no-lynching on day 3 was a huge win for them. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
it's really silly to think that everything scum does is intentionally trying to further scum agenda which, snarfs was trying to show. that's very often not necessary and scum will try more to stay out of the spotlight than try to disrupt anything. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On May 03 2012 00:57 strongandbig wrote: Also - if "making a real fucking case" is so important to persuading people, why don't you make one against forumite, if he's your top scum read? Finally - being in MYLO tomorrow is actually worse for town than being in LYLO, because it's harder to lynch correctly with more targets. That's also something snarfs explained in his big post before he died. Unless you plan on no-lynching tomorrow, we don't actually gain any time by no lynching today; and even if we no lynch both today and tomorrow, giving ourselves an extra day, that puts scum in control over who dies rather than town. Can u make a fucking case yourself? Your trying to cause a mislynch by recycling arguments defended by prp. Use your own reason or w/e I think prp is town and will not vote him. Actually attack prp's defense? If we want to lynch someone today at least be someone that we would be fine to get rid of( a lurker? A unhelpful guy?) prp has tried to be helpful. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: My cases are always short and always weak, that's probably one of the reasons nobody ever listens to me. I could mention my case on MrZentor in Death Factory Mafia 2, you can go read that. It's a more wordy version of the case I have on strongandbig right now but it's pretty much the same. Or you can look at the case I made on Artanis[Xp] in TL Mafia LVI, that was equally "weak". You can also look at how I just dismiss Artanis[Xp]'s defense in that game, I'm pretty sure he is scum and I don't want to argue shit with him. I know my case is "weak" because I can't really explain it any more to you than what I've already done. The most important thing I'm doing is that I'm pointing out that he is scum and telling you to read his filter and then that should convince. This isn't a real argument. prplhz is saying "I'm not making weak cases because I'm scummy, I'm making weak cases because that's what I always do. BTW guys he's scum." That doesn't actually explain why the cases are weak. Basically, this is a perfect way for mafia to hide; if you never have to make a real case on anyone because you just don't ever make real cases on anyone, then people can't suspect you for not ever making actual cases on anyone. On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: I'm also perfectly aware that my day1 and day2 were ruined by some guy who decided to make those a horrible experience for me by demonstratively being a douchebag. That's also why I had a break day2, I couldn't read one more of his posts after the "Why are you even playing this game?" post so I took some time off of teamliquid.net. This is impossible to verify. On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: All I can say is that I'm pretty sure that strongandbig is scum and now I'm pushing it as hard as I can. lol. "the important part is where I say he smells like scum." On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: As for the "he's trying to set up day2 lynch", why is that even scum? I'm never trying to ruin discussion (and we have always had plenty of time for that even though he didn't use it all that well), I was telling Radfield that we were lynching MrZentor as a way of pushing MrZentor. I didn't want people to leave his lynch and if I didn't fight for it then it might not happen. This is patently false. There was no need to push the Zentor lynch so hard; the bandwagon was moving. On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: Even though you are really tunneling me right here you played a pretty good game, I was absolutely sure that you were town even before your shot on VisceraEyes and that shot was also really nice. Sucking up to people attacking you seems pretty scummy to me. On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: For people reading Snarfs' case on me, don't ask yourself "Is this scum?", because you can always find a way to spin something as scummy (which Snarfs shows quite skillfully in his analysis of me), you should ask yourself "Is this something scum is likely to do?" and then you should read my filter. And ask me questions 'cause I'm around. The WIFOM defense. He can't be scum, because scum wouldn't do that! If it's scummy then it's scummy then it's scummy then lynch it. + Show Spoiler [Purplehaze's second defense post] + On May 01 2012 05:28 prplhz wrote: strongandbig made false contributions, marvellosity was very blunt in his opinions. Really, it's not just what they said 'cause people say tons of shit all the time, it's the way they said it. When I say that strongandbig's filter is empty then I don't mean that if you click it then no posts show up, I mean that all his posts are pretty useless and it looks like he's just skirting by. It's gutty and we can lynch phagga instead if you want to but my gut tells me that strongandbig is the way to go. I wasn't perfectly sure about marvellosity's innocence until he said, at 4 votes and a bunch of people in the lurk, "people, just lynch me" because scum would never ever say stuff like that, it's too dangerous especially when there are lurkers about. Pretty sure Zentor said that same stuff. He just was more of a dick about it. We were even talking in the thread about how giving up like that can be a scum tell. Anyway this is a bunch of unwarranted assertions with no evidence, which aren't actually true. He eventually admits his read on me is a gut read too. On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: "But how do you know that there are lurkers about?" there are always people coming in close to deadline. Even though 2.5 hours before was cutting it a little short for a vote-switch, just see how many people showed up (and later than me), we could easily have succeeded! I'm pretty pissed that you and Forumite and Sbrubbles weren't sufficiently around to agree to a no-lynch, or even a switch to someone else because that would have helped us a lot. See Snarf's post (the part I quoted) for the explanation of why a no-lynch is better for scum than a mislynch. On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: I wasn't around day2? I was around in the beginning to secure the lynch and then I took a break. I was around again day3. See above. Excuses for lurking = scummy imo. On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: No, I'm not going to tell you why I was very sure that you were town. I'm not blue or anything it was just how you appeared to me in the thread. More gut reads with no evidence or assertions or anything. Great for scum, since their town gut reads never have to be wrong! On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: marvellosity was mislynched and I unvoted with him at 6 votes. I was a little conflicted about this because I thought people might yell at me for ultimately voting for a guy who I was simultaneously saying was town, but when I saw that his lynch was secure I unvoted him. Admits that he changes his actions based on what will get him criticized the least. On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: If you read the thread you can see me ask you three people who wanted to lynch him to take care of business and brow beat people into doing whatever you felt like, even though I prefer lynches to no-lynches it's not really me who should be trying to secure it when I'm quite sure it's a mislynch. This doesn't make sense. On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: There was no desperation, and how would desperation even be scummy? The "desperation" is in the fact that the case just doesn't exist. I "smell scummy to you"? Really, you just picked me out of a fucking hat. That's how serious your "case" seems. On May 01 2012 04:16 prplhz wrote: Why would I, in your words, be "desperate" and make up a "weak case" that I would "have to follow" when a mislynch was coming up? Why would I up to the deadline say "this guy is really town, look at him and the stuff he is saying" and try to convince you three of a no-lynch (you were the reason we mislynched, a mislynch is only preferable if people think that the person is actually scum). Really, I was doing what was best for town and while you say that 2.5 hours before deadline is a little late, look when everybody else came in. Even later. Now, let me talk about what he hasn't responded to at all in Snarf's case. - There's the fact that puprlehaze combined a defense of VE and a push to keep Radfield from talking about non-Zentor lynch candidates, in the same post. - There's the random jumping around between lynch targets on Day 3. - There's the random jumping to Phagga as a lynch target today, too. Seriously, his whole filter is basically "pick someone random (me in this case) and tunnel them for no reason" combined with "but also randomly throw in votes and accusations at basically everyone else without ever explaining any reasons for those either." | ||
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