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I can take seviro's place or be put in as a replacement. | ||
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I agree we should lynch someone and am still reserving judgement. | ||
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There were two people being discussed at this point as possible scum: St. Daniel and Zealos. On April 23 2012 06:10 MajuGarzett wrote: I agree that we should lynch someone. The only person who's shown signs of being something other than vanilla townie so far is St. Daniel as I'm unconvinced that a townie would need help so early. I don't want to vote yet though as since its a newbie game he might just want general help and has shown no distinct signs of being mafia. Maju discusses st. daniel asking for help gives signs he may not be a vanilla townie. We don't have much evidence to either way to what st daniel actually is but seeing as he is new he could actually need some help and I don't think we have any evidence to really support he being anything other than a townie. Zealos however is a little more suspicious. This is his first reply since the post above. In the post he criticizes the talk that has been going on. I see a problem with this since we may not have any solid information ro run off of right now, we sure will soon with results of lynching and who the mafia decides to pick off. All of this discussion while not very useful now may become very useful later on. On April 24 2012 02:12 Zealos wrote: Sorry, what? What on earth kind of a thing to say is this? You make a completely random accusation about me being scum with no evidence at all. Oh, and, I am happy to respond to case's against me, but at the moment I can't see any. All I see is people posting lots of other people's names and then going on to tell town what they've done so far in the game. It doesn't help. We can read. It seems like it's gonna be pretty hard to find the mafia team when there's so many people posting terribly. Out of his own words earlier in the thread: On April 23 2012 06:54 Zealos wrote: It's very typical scum behaviour. Making no actual reads, but posting a load of stuff under the guise of "useful posting" Except it seems zealos has never added much of anything to the thread other than to criticize the discussion that was happening. Originially when writing this I was going to vote for yomi, If he is mafia he is running a very risky play, after going through what zealos has to say, which is that our discussion is terrible, my vote goes to him. ##Vote: Zealos | ||
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## unvote ## vote yomi | ||
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While I have not posted often, what I have posted is a collection of my thoughts from everything going on. These thoughts have not been one liners or contentless. imallinson does make me a little suspicous with his last post being a little recap of what everyone else has discussed without adding anything of substance, he then votes for yomi, which i don't know if he is just jumping on the bandwagon at the end or not. I agree with imallinson's assement that fox is not scum. I am unsure of everyone else besides that zealos seems really scummy. Maju is hard to read as most of what he said is in defence to yomi's erratic voting towards him. | ||
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St.Daniel/Gossemer Hasn't posted much of anything and now is being replaced. I dont really have any reads, maybe townie because he hoped to be mafia and then quit when he wasn't or more likely he just didnt have time. Will be looking forward to hearing more from gossemer. Dracolich70 He seems to be focused on pretty hard on Maju, in fact you have not questioned anyone else besides Maju and saying that yomi was suspicious. Your posts on him are very long and thought out this is good and all but the problem I see is you are not giving any attention to anything else. Also you keep bringing up his Maju's behavior in the first few posts of the game. Always going back to throwing st daniels under the bus, well it would seem you are now trying to place Maju there as well.I wouldnt be suprised if you kept up the attack on maju in the following day. So basically lets see something else come out of you or you are starting to seem really scummy. MajuGarzett Maju has spent a long time defending himself and casting doubt on the lurkers. He hasnt really asked any questions or pointed out anything everyone else did. I don't really have a read on him as yomi was irrationally going after him from the start. I would place Maju in the same boat as dracolich, how do you feel about everyone else besides the people accusing you of things. oneplus Oneplus is a town read for me, his posts are constructive and points out with evidence how he feels about everyone plays. nreekay324 Nreekay seems like a good town vote as well. mutant He shares my suspicions of zealos and is also suspicous of maju. Says he used to be suspicious of imallin, but now isnt. Could possibly be defending allin. Need more to get a better read, mutant lets hear what you have to say about everyone else. This is a possible mafia. ArcticFox Seems town to me, calls everyone out on there post and hasnt focused too much on any one particular person. It was a little suspicious when he said he wanst going to be around to post until deadline in case he gets lynched, but after being called out on it has been posting more. If you werent going to be around you wouldnt be around, if you were gonna be around why wouldnt you just keep posting. Zealos Another person only targeting maju, otherwise he has not said anything at all. Zealos lets see what you have to say about everyone else. ForTheDr3am He was the 2nd person to jump on yomi. It is bad to offer mafia a free bandwagon in case he actually is just a particularly unhelpful townie, but it seems that there is only one actual vote on him up to now, making me think that there are still people with an interest to keep him alive Not exactly. I didn't mean to say that everyone who defends you automatically makes himself suspicious in my eyes, but that the fact that you weren't jumped on is a slight indicator that you are not a perfectly innocent townie. These posts are troublesome for me. Seems you saw the oppurtunity to take town a townie and were upset that everyone wasnt voting to lynch him faster. I am leaning towards mafia here. yomi RIP imallinson only two posts, I still feel a bit scummy about him. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Going back and reading through everything ftd had always seemed town to me, but now that yomi flipped green his past posts are very troubling. Right now he is my number 1 read. | ||
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FTD explain what you meant by those two bolded statements above and now that yomi is gone who do you suspect? | ||
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@insectoceanx: You haven't posted yet since then, but I have asked you to explain to me what you think classifies as scummy as well. And even though the poor guy is deceased now, I want you to give a more in-depth opinion of what made you think that nreekay is town. What has been sticking out to me as scummy play is people who are either not posting any content or the content they post is mostly fluff an example of this has been Maju's posting. As far an nreekay his posts were good and I agreed with most of the things he brought up at this point in the game he just seemed more likely town. I have 2 main suspects as mafia right now. 1 Maju He has been doing nothing but defending himself the entire game and has never contributed anything @MAJU: If you are not scum post something of significance giving your top 2 candidates for scum and give them something to answer to. Don't defend yourself just post something about someone else. 2 Imallinson Already suspicious of him now he is defending Maju and voting draco, who just got switched out. His first vote was for yomi and then his very next post is voting for draco. Imallinson you posted this in your one post where you said very little about everyone Dracolich70 I'm finding the defence of yomi and attack on maju, following yomi and Zealos, fairly suspicious. He's my # 3 scum read behind yomi and Zealos. @ImallinsonWell yomi rolled green so why are you still so suspicious of Draco? I feel Maju is likely scum and you are also defending him. Post something that will make me feel otherwise. | ||
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On April 27 2012 15:43 oneplus wrote: Surprisingly many of you has started to vote for immallinson but still think that zealos chances of being scum is quite high and have him inside you scumlist. I got no idea why why Zealos is always in the FoS list and scumlist and no one going to vote for him. I can see that immallinson is not contributing much and lurk pretty much. But same for Mutant suppose to be Ydriel now who has not post a single thing after the replacement. Insectoceanx has also coming out recently and been lurking pretty much but he don't sound so scummy for me yet. @Arctic, You are my no.1 favourite townread. Mind to explain why Immallinson is a better lynch than zealos? ##Vote: Zealos I would also like to hear why zealos is your vote as opposed to imallinson. We need 6 of 7 townies if mafia does not vote for mafia. So if you are going to vote for zealos convince us as to why he is a better vote than imallinson. | ||
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On April 27 2012 15:40 Zealos wrote: I'm fine with lynching a lurker ##ViteL imallinson @Maju, I didn't see where you initially responded to my argument, and must have missed it, my apologies, however, coming up with a 2nd argument against someone is to add to the initial case. I am assuming you meant vote: and and not viteL. Any other reasoning behind why you want to vote imallinson other than he is a lurker? What else has stuck out for you? | ||
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On April 25 2012 19:19 nreekay324 wrote: yomi flipped town, confirming his claim that he was making a play to get real discussion going. yomi had only the minimum 7/7 votes to be lynched, however. By acting crazy in the beginning, yomi singled himself out; as my first theory of Maju getting thrown under the bus is wrong (maybe), it seems more likely yomi was to be that easy target to get bussed. Some notes on yomi votes, may be more useful later in the game then now; + Show Spoiler + 0-1 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler + This seems highly unlikely. As a townie gaining so much suspicion early on, the mafia probably put him on their agenda and wanted to push us to mislynch him. Because of yomi’s early suspicion, early votes AGAINST him seem less suspicious as well. According to Midnight’s prelim vote count, some 6 hours before deadline, only 5 people had their vote on yomi, and not until somewhat close to the end 2 votes changed. As I previously mentioned, early votes against yomi would be less prone to suspicion, especially because there was a (so-so) case on him early on. 2-3 mafia votes for yomi lynch? + Show Spoiler + Seems extremely likely. The duration of yomi’s erratic play, probably a little over a day, would surely be long enough for two scum to make a case against him, and vote so. (or one make a case and another simply cite their support of someone else’s). The majority of the mafia would need to vote for yomi as he had the minimum 7/7. And with enough town support, it would be favorable to have someone NOT voting yomi, as a safety-card for when yomi flips green (2 votes). There is then always the consideration all 3 mafia voted for yomi, but it would be unfavorable to tunnel vision the votes. WIFOM? + Show Spoiler + (Am i using WIFOM right?) As I was looking at the votes and writing this, I wanted to look at 0, 1, 2, 3, votes individually. But I realized this would be circular logic because I’d be making too many assumptions about the mafia’s agenda. However, I am convinced that the mafia worked to get yomi mis-lynched because yomi did so much of the mafia’s work for them. So some of my reads come from this likely motive. That lead me to here.... some of my reads, and my reasoning 1. ArcticFox + Show Spoiler + First to vote yomi, but only after yomi has had enough time to make a case against himself. Also, he pressures everyone to vote yomi as the deadline approaches, insisting yomi’s play has been too scummy, and not acting erratically. Also, looking at his filter, I notice that AF posts are 1)plentiful, 2)insistent on good town discussion 3)provide pressure to lurkers 4)continously PRESSURES lurkers. And then this post + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 10:26 ArcticFox wrote: That quote *was* originally mine btw. It keeps getting credited to nreekay and I don't appreciate it. >.> Really good advice that I don't want to go unnoticed. Our last game had over twice the amount of posting by this time, and it's hard to scumhunt when half the thread is inactive. He insists on being a strong pro-town voice and contributing to good town environment. strikes me as TOWN. Insectoceanx + Show Spoiler + I originally read insectoceanx as probably town, but this was mostly because he had the same read on Zealos as me, that Zealos is scum. However, insectoceanx then is the final vote on a vote change to get yomi lynched. This wasn’t the suspicious part, as I woke up a little before the deadline to scope out the yomi vote count. Insectoceanx could honestly have wanted to see what yomi flipped, as yomi’s ending play wasn’t really enough to redeem him ( and people weren’t around to discuss this, myself included). But then he posts this; + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 11:07 insectoceanx wrote: That is all I have to say about changing my vote to yomi, I think zealos is the greatest chance of being scum at this point but yomi is close behind and I changed my vote to him for the sake of getting a lynch. While I have not posted often, what I have posted is a collection of my thoughts from everything going on. These thoughts have not been one liners or contentless. imallinson does make me a little suspicous with his last post being a little recap of what everyone else has discussed without adding anything of substance, he then votes for yomi, which i don't know if he is just jumping on the bandwagon at the end or not. I agree with imallinson's assement that fox is not scum. I am unsure of everyone else besides that zealos seems really scummy. Maju is hard to read as most of what he said is in defence to yomi's erratic voting towards him. This came shortly after Night 1 began. Over half this post is insectoceanx defending himself, (Not sure of the grammar of 1st clause), trying to divert suspicion onto imallinson / zealos. I can’t analyze it much further, but this post seemed overly anxious in defending himself. SUSPICIOUS Imallinson + Show Spoiler + Bandwagon’d yomi, few posts.SUSPICIOUS Oneplus + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 16:09 oneplus wrote: @Maju, Nreekay got the same read as me on Yomi which he’s an idiotic towny playing scummy. We are not protecting him, we want to bring out the fact that this is a possibility on his play. We should think out of the box and evaluating all the possibility, it is too early to make comfirmation that "Yomi is a scum" yet in my point of view. I just want everyone to think twice before yomi. Maju, suspecting someone who is not defending you is not a good town play. He was the main, only supporter of yomi. Whether or not this was a scum “oh I called it, I must be town” play, I’m not sure. But I do know that in the above quote, he includes me in his read of yomi as an idiotic towny playing scummy. But he seemed much, much more sure than I was (I mainly thought Zealos was safer lynch) I don’t see any reason for mafia to single themselves out this much, especially before yomi started revealing his accusation play. strikes me as TOWN. Zealos + Show Spoiler + I had originally thought scum, 100%. Now I think he may have been caught up in yomi’s play. Zealos didn’t set Maju up for yomi to accuse. It seems, now, rather Zealos got swept into the play. And the more he got accused, the more cynical he got. But Zealos has neither come up with a defense nor indirectly done so by contributing. As yomi pointed out (RIP), Zealos has still been setting up Maju. I’m at 75% right now, so for now FOS List FOS 1. Zealos 2. Insectoceanx 3. Imallinson Better be town 1. ArcticFox 2. oneplus + Show Spoiler + If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned.+ Show Spoiler + If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face Looking back at this post by nreekay, it gives me one fear. This fear is only in my mind if imallinson ends up not being mafia... If AF and oneplus played us by using yomi, we’re all boned. If one of them is godfather, we’re double boned gg, sad face + Show Spoiler + Could this be the line that got nreekay killed? What if Arcticfox is mafia. Case: He has been most active in routing out lurkers in a game filled by lurkers. All the lurkers cannot be mafia, and if the mafia were not lurkers they would be pretty high above suspicion. Case in point, Arcticfox who has spent his entire time confronting lurkers and has never been suspected. The downside of lynch all lurkers is that the active mafia could put all suspicion on townies that lurk. That part of nreekays post is the only thing that makes him stand out in anyway, all of his other posts never really said much. Again this may just be complete bs, but I also share nreekays fear, if he is mafia we are all in a lot of trouble. | ||
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On April 28 2012 10:59 ArcticFox wrote: He also called you out as scum in the same post, you know. If you want to build a case against me, go for it. There's almost 70 posts worth of material for you to work with. If your case is that I'm pressuring lurkers, you've got a long way to go. As I said this is not a full strung theory, and since there was no lynch it has no evidence behind it all. With no info on so many players as they have not posted, and now not even voted it seems to me as a somewhat valid fear. The question now is where do we go from here? We have 3 days before we can lynch again and we lose another townie tomorrow night. | ||
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Also, since the replacements did not vote, the mafia must be someone who is still active. My List: imallinson maju zealos ##Vote: imallinson Mods: What happens if the replacements aren't active by deadline? | ||
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It seems he may have been defending his voting for yomi by saying that draco was being defending yomi just to get town cred. This is a very soft defence of Yomi. Both this and the bad case against Maju make me think Draco is scum trying to get town cred when Yomi flips town. There is more posts along the same line later on. More defence of his first two posts where he keeps pushing less scumhunting: | ||
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You voted for imallinson before? Why are you voting for me now? @Townspeople We all need consensus to get a lynch through, as stossel said above me, sticking to the plan is important as Furthermore, the lynching of Arctic only serves to make an imallinson vote more worthwhile. The failure to lynch was not due to lack of suspicion and so scum could've easily kept Arctic alive another night to push imallinson for another lynching if he was town and used their hit to focus on someone else. | ||
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On May 01 2012 00:11 Zealos wrote: Because you irritate me big time. How dare you come back after being a complete lurker, only to call the only people who bothered keeping town active mafia. I'm sorry I may have said that wrong before. What I meant is that the people who did not vote are probably not mafia. It would seem really unfair if the mods let them get by with lynching people at nignt and not posting anything or voting all day. Therefore by active I meant anyone who has posted anything. I was not meaning to point the finger at the most active of the players. | ||
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Also since none of the replacements who didnt vote havn't said anything its much harder to form a case against them and get consensus. Meanwhile imallinson has posted very little of substance and has been a prime subject. He was arcticfox's prime suspect and he was lynched after the failed vote. On May 01 2012 01:31 imallinson wrote: What exactly is the plan. Because if it is blindly going along the same path as yesterday that isn't helpful. Along with this Your recent posting doesn't make much sense unless you are trying to get town to blindly follow you into lynching an easy town target (me). Why isnt lynching you a good plan? The only reason you werent lynched was because so many people didnt vote. Just because people did not vote all of a sudden proves your innocence? i don't think all the pages of discussion about you is making the town blindly follow. Of course you are an easy town target as anyone could tell looking at your filter. | ||
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On May 01 2012 17:31 oneplus wrote: I have already made my analysis between draco who is stossel now and zealos which we have a comfirmed scum between them but none of you figure this out I am sad T.T stop helping the scum to miss lynch town anymore it sucks What do you mean we have a confirmed scum between them? | ||
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1 Maju I have been reading him a scum for most the game. But going back through and reading his repsonses and the posts he writes himself I am leaning more towards him being town. He has responded to questions of his guilt/intentions well and hasnt needlessly defended himself. 2. Draco/Stossel @Stossel: Both you and I voted for imallinson. Now that he turned town what are your current reads for the 2 remaining mafia and why? Right now who would you vote to lynch? Also who is townie for sure? 3. Zealos Still hasn't posted a cohesive arguement about anything and has had an aggressive stance about everything. As others have pointed out he has always been in the fos but never voted for. Definate cadidate for lynching, perhaps #1. 4 Dream Voted for imallinson the first time around, second time around voted for me saying that imallinson flipping green would show a scumslip on my part. If dream is mafia himself he is trying to get town cred calling the green flip and throw me under the bus at the same time. This wouldnt stand out to me as mafia unless he hadnt just voted imallinson the day before without posting any reason at all for his change except to pick me out as mafia mislynching a townie. @Dream: What changed that you no longer thought imallinson was scum? 5oneplus My number one townread this game. Has stuck to his guns on Zealos for entire game and but still has had good posts regarding other players. @oneplus: Who do you think the next player to lynch should be? I trust your judgement over everyone elses at this point. | ||
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I want to hear from everyone in this thread, we have 3 townies and 2 scum left. We are never going to figure out who is who if everyone is silent. | ||
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Again In ask stossel and maju to get in here and post. We cant separate the scum without you! What is dramas case? 3 players did not vote, there are still curently still 3 scum alive. I say that the 3 who did not vote cant all be scum. The next night 2 of them do not vote again, 1 is not scum and 1 is. My point held true, that in our lynch all lurker mindset we were targeting townies that were inactive, while scum was able to post and be respected as a valued townie just because they were active. | ||
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With the statement I made about the people who did not vote. Yes I assumed, perhaps wrongly that if they had voted at least one or more would have voted for imallinson, if i am scum I wouldve known that imallinson would flip green and other mafia would vote for him most likely, but if i am not mafia and do not know what imallinson was It is still a safe assumption and was my assumption that imallinson was either scum or just posted so badly as to warrant a lynch, something that enough people believed in with me to lynch him again the next night. If I was mafia why would I be trying to get everyone to talk since the last night. I would probably be doing what dream is doing and trying to throw someone I know to be town down. I admit my posting wasnt the best and I made myself into an easy target. I am not mafia and you will see that once you vote for me. I'm going to vote for dream and I'll be back again later to answer any questions. ##Vote: ForTheDr3am | ||
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FTD had been concentrating on Draco and then was pretty quiet. He voted for imallinson once and then when it looked like imallinson would get lynched the second time around he switched his vote to agaisnt me without much else of a reason. I was trying to put off voting until everyone else got in here and also made some suggestions but as it is no one else is voting, so I'm going to vote for one of my top 2 suspects, FTD and zealos. | ||
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You assume this lynch all lurker mindset is bad because you believe that the mafia would all be active. Well, lo and behold when the modkills came out, we saw that even a mafia member was inactive/lurking. Now I'm not saying we haven't made bad calls, the results speak for themselves, but flying under the radar is a viable tactic and is one we're right to look out for, especially in the first few days. This is why it's so important for townies to be active in the first few days so that mafia feel the pressure to be active as well and thus increase their chances of scumslipping. I never said all the mafia would be active, some of it. The problem with the lynch all lurker attitude was that the whole town was not active. We lynched imallinson due to his inactivity and it bit us in the face. Then 2 people didnt vote 2 days in a row, with stossel not voting once. So yes lynch all lurkers could be good if everyone was active besides just a few people, but the level of inactivity in here could let mafia post one or two good posts that never have to be really backed up, and then just coast out to victory. Especially after we lost 2 of 12 players to inactivity which if it hadnt happened wouldve been another whole day/night cycle. | ||
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