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On April 16 2012 08:13 BlazingJitsu wrote: It's been a while! looking forwards to another game together. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hEstq.png) -Blazinghand Yeah I just messed up the newbie game by getting myself lynched, hoping I get better results in this game. | ||
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oh wait what if I'm scum..... | ||
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Ok, here is my thought on the matter. Revealing the vig roles is a bad idea in my mind. This is because of the possible hits of vig's. We don't know how exciting this game is going to be; we very well could have bored townies due to the size of the game. If we have vig's having to aim at lurkers, as a town we gain no info as the vig could have made an honest mistake. Also what if the mafia choose to circumvent the situation and not fake-claim. The Mafia kills before the Millers we would have wasted our two shots. There is really no way for a vig to get a shot off and figure out the alignment of the player in question unless we target them on the lynch. | ||
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As of now I see three names being bounced around as scum: Gonzaw, VE, and marvellosity. In my eyes Gonzaw's bad viglante idea could very well have been an honest mistake. I would think it more scummy, if he tried to turn off that idea later, but he has stuck pretty hard to an already sinking ship. This makes Gonzaw less scummy in my eyes. If I was scum I would have got off that ship once I started racking up votes. VE is kind of the same in this sense he strongly disagrees with Gonzaw's point, pushing his own ideas about claiming. The problem I see with VE is that he hasn't added anything beyond that. If he thinks that Gonzaw is scum he needs more than just a possible scumslip and a bad gameplay proposition. Others have agreed with Gonzaw's OP, but he doesn't think anything of that. My Scumread: ##Vote: Marvellosity I've found something he has said particularly scummy. He proposes that he has offered more information than said lurkers(Post). The problem I have is that he didn't have anything to say besides unproductive one-liners. The idea that these posts help the town is very wrong. One-liners are a way to make us think that the poster has more stuff than they actually do. Confusing the town is worse than having a null read due to inactivity. We can't do anything about lurkers, at least not this many, lynching a lurker is pretty much a RNG lynch since we have no information to back it. As of now his only response to why he has yet to post a strong case is that he hasn't got any strong reads. This makes sense, but doesn't give him an excuse to not post. He can still look at accusations and comment on those, or he can scum hunt by pointing out mistakes and tunnel on those. To sum up I feel that Marvell is trying to mislead us into thinking he has the right to not post, which is scummy in my eyes. | ||
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Zephirdd/Sentinel/Ottoxlol. Out of the three of them I find Zephirdd pretty scummy, his last minute vote seemed rushed to me as if he was a Mafia trying to jump a bandwagon. Regardless of the fact that he mistimed the vote he made a post like this: On April 23 2012 07:53 Zephirdd wrote: Oh it seems I have an hour still. Will reconsider. I see this post as quite scummy, what does he mean by will reconsider? That statement leads me to believe that he bandwagoned the vote(which he in fact admitted) and is trying to set up a situation where he can say that the vote was rushed later. On April 23 2012 09:53 Zephirdd wrote: because it's fun to create a scumlist prior doing any analysis or whatsoever, MidnightGladius marvellosity PaqMan --insert unknown scum here-- List done out of pure feelings and zero evidence or analysis and should not be taken seriously at all Also, may I remind you that my vote was completely and ultimately worthless, as in, even if I didn't vote VE would die. Also, keep this in your mind: if I knew VE was going to die already, and if I already knew he was a JK(as in, if I was scum), why the fuck would I instantly jump right at the deadline and put a worthless vote on him when I could simply vote, say, marvellosity? Suddenly, I'm not looking that bad anymore, am I? Also I agree with BMurray being vigged. I'm not sure if he is town or scum, but it would be better if he just died and we didn't had to care about him anymore. This post is also very scummy, what is the point of creating a scum list based on no evidence? He says not to take it seriously, but then why did he post it? He then says that he would have put his vote on marvel, one of the people on this "emotion-based" scum list, seems pretty fishy to me. He easily could have made a scumslip, and is trying to make up a hypothetical situation which makes him look better. He then flips around the idea of him making a case/analysis, and proceeds to say that he doesn't need to make a strong case against anyone. Recently he has been using more of his hypothetics to convince people to not vote for him. This is WIFOM reasoning and leads me to believe he is trying to mislead the town. I only see one useful post (the one about his reads on the town), but it even has a lot of unsupported conlclusions and blatant contradictions. I'll have my thoughts on Uon and Ottoxol in my next post. | ||
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On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: Honestlyjohnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time. I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim. Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess. I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity On April 23 2012 06:29 Risen wrote: I haven't even placed my vote on marv yet >.> It is my intention to do so, though. Everyone on VE should be shot/lynched. I'll vote for anyone on him. Only an idiot would vote for VE and we're better off with all of them dead. These posts from day 1 are confusing me, you seem to want to push lynching people that are scummy and that will be lynched (okay in my mind). In end you put your vote on Murray though, was it because you viewed your vote useless at this point? | ||
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On April 26 2012 10:59 Mementoss wrote: That was, really, awkward. I was thinking of changing my vote to Zeph because of how I felt he was posting in the thread and how ottoxol was acting, but then I realized it was a heat in the thread thought. Damn guys. I donèt know what to think about Risen right now though. That being said still, if we have a vig shoot into this: Marvellosity BillMurray layabout Sentinel Ottoxlol I would really like a shot into Ottoxlol. If he comes up scum it makes Riven look really bad, if not Riven is sorta cleared as townie mistake. If he doesnèt die, hes GF and we lynch him next day. If vig DOES shoot, donèt forget to claim. Hey just wondering do you guys think this is a breadcrumb? Looking over our dead townies posts I haven't found that much on St. Daniels, but there seems to be a general suspicion about him. Mem seemed to dig pretty hard into him. | ||
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On April 27 2012 07:35 PaqMan wrote: Yeah, seeing as St. D was sick and dropped out of his other game, I think that dude's just inactive. I'd rather have Ottox or Risen lynched over BM. But BM hasn't done anything helpful so I'm not sure what we should do about him. Why is he still in this game then? He chose to secretly vote for Zephirdd in order to stay in the game. If he was really an inactive he would have stuck to his guns and quit this game too. That's why I think he is a lurking scum, sure he was sick for a time, but him staying doesn't make sense. | ||
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On April 28 2012 20:28 Bill Murray wrote: p.s. since when was mementoss a tracker? here I have been thinking we're in a good position fucking disheartening Wow so scummy, so far we've had 7 townies killed and 1 blue (according to you -_-). Great position!!!! (sarcasm intended) You're going to die for this: ##Vote: Bill Murray | ||
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On April 28 2012 20:27 Bill Murray wrote: I disagree with you about Risen + Ottox not being scum together, and so did Mementoss. Guess where he is? Oh, yeah, dead. Are you crazy?! Mementoss is dead why are talking to him!!! | ||
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@johnny: This is why: On April 24 2012 14:25 Bill Murray wrote: I am not going to be wagoning paqman today and I will vote the next person to vote for him He has been jumping around with his accusations the whole game without digging hard into any one case. I felt his posting started to look better toward the middle of page 2 of his filter, but these last two posts are very scummy. St. Daniels has been lurking, but the way he is doing it is really bothering me (behind our backs Zeph vote). No one is willing to pay attention to him due to how inactive (alledgedly) he is. This is a perfect cover for a lurking Mafia in my mind. Lurking isn't good, it is a very pro-mafia behavior. I have seen posts from these lurkers that further reinforce my suspicions. If we don't look at their posts due to thinking their "too easy" targets we will never be able to find Mafia. I am looking at others posts, but as far as I can see these two are the most scummy. | ||
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Beginning of the game is fine to me acts pretty town. Then he gets caught in a lie and proceeds to be a dick about it. Then he has the vote switch. Now he is lurking, and making excuses. The problem I have with voting for him is that his latest posts look more townie, he's being honestly productive. The main case against him (gonzaw's, although townie) is shaky, and has painted him as scum. The vote switch is suspicious, but fits with his posting tone afterwards. Considering he made he the first case against Ottoxlol (he was ninja'ed by paq i'd call it a tie for first) it doesn't really fit in terms of both of them being scum. Conclusion: town Next on Ottolxlol: He starts off with shaky cases and proceeds to start to go after everyone. Funny that he was digging in so hard on VE, but pretty easily goes for BJ in the end. His pages 3 1/2 - 6 provide little reasoning, and are mostly response to others posts and reiterations of his own posts. Page 7 sees a transition into a bit more reasoned posts. I think that they have a towny vibe though, but the action of posting that many one-liners could be consdired scummy. He hasn't been posting very much about his actually reads, which makes me think he is a null-red read. At the moment though I feel BM still has more scummy posts than Ottolxlol, so I will vote for him until I can confirm a more red read. | ||
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On April 29 2012 10:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I agree with JK jailing otto. And here are the votes if anyone's interested in drawing conclusions: Ghost_403 --> ottoxlol Risen --> ottoxlol Mattchew --> ottoxlol [UoN]Sentinel --> ottoxlol Ottoxlol --> MidnightGladius Bill Murray --> MidnightGladius marvellosity --> MidnightGladius johnnywup --> MidnightGladius Janaan --> MidnightGladius PaqMan --> MidnightGladius BroodkingEXE -> BillMurray(?) This last one is painting bkexe redder in my eyes. I don't see ottoxlol as the most confirmed scum in my eyes. Why vote for someone I don't see as the best option out there. Sure I can post shaky reasoning to try and convince the town, but would anyone really believe me? I am interested in why you would want to jail Otto. Why do you think he is the goon over your other scum reads? | ||
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Risen got caught in a lie about voting for Marv. While he didn't post it in the voting thread, I would say putting ##Vote: Name still counts as a vote in my mind. When I mean ninja'ed he posted a case on Ottolxlol within a couple minutes of you. Considering the length of the case, I would say that you both had cases on him at the same time. Since no one had any big suspicions before that separates him from Otto in my eyes. | ||
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No, I am saying that JK's can jail their most town reads. Mafia then have to guess who to shoot (since they want to get rid of influential or correct townies) and whether they are JK'ed. I think a jailing using a reasoned desicion (figuring out who is town) is better than having a 1/3 chance of a useful jail. | ||
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On April 30 2012 00:52 Ottoxlol wrote: ghost soft defending StD He's attacking Sent because he's lurking, yet he did not even mention StD apart from that post. Paqman's attacking BM for lurking, mentions BK, doesnt mention StD apart from two very soft defenses. He mentions that we waste d3 discussion on stupid speculation, but doesnt contribute a thing. Janaan doesnt mention him at all, to be fair he's mentioning that we should not lynch lurker d2-3 because we have posts that we can work with (this was about BM's lynch so I don't think it is relevant). Every other ppl mentioned StD for lynch target or scumread, but no one pushed him other then BK. StD layed really low tho. ghost and Paqman are my reads based on their relations with StD, and their unwillingness to engage in the discussion in the thread. Janaan gives me a headache, he would be my greenest read, but StD voted two times the person he made a case on. Of course this is not conclusive, but he was noob scum, and with Janaan not mentioning him it is a bit suspicious. 1) He had more reasoning behind suspecting Sent. 2) BM is doing more than lurking he is posting like scum to go along with it. 3) Trying to implicate me, because I suspected StD? He just cast suspicion on ghost and paq for not suspecting StD. 4) What relations? He didn't post anything in this post besides baseless accusations. | ||
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On May 01 2012 09:17 Ottoxlol wrote: Hah. Is english your native tongue? How can u interpret this sentence as implication. Baseless accusations? That word means there was no quotes of what they have been posting. There was... No one attacking the case other then "its weak" "Ottox is so scummy lynch him". Scum stopping the thread, town is too weak to think by themselves, GG. What was the point of the third point you made then? What quotes? What do you mean by:"No one attacking the case other then "its weak" "Ottox is so scummy lynch him". Scum stopping the thread, town is too weak to think by themselves, GG". I don't understand at all. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:50 ghost_403 wrote: @BJ + Show Spoiler + lol VE is probably scum. Accusing gonzaw of a scumslip is just terribad, and someone of his experience should know better. Also, the idea of a JK working against the town is such a fashion is WTF bad. If he was a noob, I would give him a pass, but he's not. He should know better than that. Sentinel obviously rolled scum this game. His filter has nothing of content, and when layabout called him out, it took him 15 minutes to unlurk, at which point he added nothing to the conversation. He's here, but not contributing at all. I think he would make an excellent Day 1 lynch. The problem with this is that we had plenty of other lurkers at the time. Layabout called out 5-7 of us (depending on if you consider sleeping an anti town action), so why was Sen the worst out of them? For this post? I find it quite strange when others had less posts, and questionable productiveness that he chose to go for an active lurker. His reasoning for not voting for VE is contradicted in a later post is that he is playing too scummy. WTH, why is it that VE’s super bad play give him the right to live? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 08:12 ghost_403 wrote: @gonzaw: I think a town should be focused in what they do, so I don't like throwing votes around all over the place. If I had to vote for one of them right now, I would vote sentinel over VE. My only reservations about voting VE at the moment is that I think he should play a better scum game, but I can see his scumslip case as something he was hoping other townies would catch on to and run with. He says a town should be focused in what they do and should keep their vote in place. Then he shouldn’t have abandoned this statement and go after paq. He points out both Matt and marv as being useless and non productive. It still begs the question on why he put his vote on Sent, why couldn’t he find any information besides him being a lurker? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 09:35 ghost_403 wrote: @johnny: I hate writing up cases against people. I pointed it out that I think he's scummy here. I think big posts are a waste of time and space, but that's probably why no one listens to me in these games. brb, writing up a big poast. This is very strange he just said big posts are “a waste of time and space”, but he has no problem writing one up in the very next post. "The Very Next Post." I see a lot of twisting of context in this post (very scummy). Spoiler 1: Read the post right before it. This is a response to VE’s conviction, aka he’s asking VE, the only person who thought he was mafia whether gonzaw’s point was misguided. We were talking about policy, so obviously you are allowed to disagree with him in order to get a correct policy on the table. Spoiler 2: Anarchy? Far from it, he is suggesting scrapping a policy lynch and letting everyone look for scum and vote based on their own feelings. What do we get from this post? Sentinel is a lurker, like a lot of other people in the thread, which still begs the question why Sent, how has ghost picked him? + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 01:52 ghost_403 wrote: Wow, I could have sworn that I read that Sentinel voted BM. -_- My bad. That knocks him into second place in my list of people I think are scummy. When I have more time, I'll look back into the Sentinel == scum thing. Working on a Linear Algebra problem at the moment. brb I’ll look back into the “Sent == scum thing?” You didn’t need BM’s bandwagoning to vote for Sent in the first place, so why would you need to go back on your vote? Next he moves on to Ottoxlol, his only reasoning? He’s looking for lurkers. -_-, Your main lynch candidate at one time was a lurker (in fact that was your only argument for suspecting him). + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 21:15 ghost_403 wrote: Another thing that I was going to note last night was the fact that Sentinel has been lurking like a bawse through this whole game. If you take a look at what he wrote last night, he more or less claimed that he was onboard the VE lynch, and that's it. Sentinel is afraid of posting in this thread, because he's afraid he'll do something to out his scumbuddies. I thought he was scum yesterday, our townie friend sloosh thought he was scum before Sentinel killed him, and I think we should be lynching him today. I'm guessing that he rolled goon, which is why he's so afraid to get caught. Scum KP should drop to 1 after we lynch Sentinel. Let's look at Sentinel's posts from last night! Poast 1 "I was totally onboard for the VE lynch before VE was". Who cares? What does this add to the thread? How does this help us hunt scum? MG's idea that the scum voted to lynch VE before the townies is flawed to begin with, and now he somehow wants more credit for it? On April 24 2012 09:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wait... how the hell do you brand Risen green because of "town meta"? I think his aggressive-defensive bipolarity kinda ruined that aspect. If anything makes him green is that he backed VE till the end. Scum love making townie reads, because it saves them the trouble of scum hunting. You have nothing to say about the fact that Mattchew thinks you're scum? I'd be pissed if I ended up red on that list. On April 24 2012 09:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm in Star Battle so I won't make the deadline. I'll probably post some once I'm done, closer to 14:00 GMT (+00:00) "I'm going to give myself an excuse not to post so I can avoid scumslipping." On April 24 2012 10:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Fuck, have to push back my reply to tomorrow early morning. See above. On April 24 2012 10:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I'm posting exactly seven hours from now. I think I'll make it. See above. There's no reason for a townie to have this little content in the game. One post with a decent thought is all I ask for. Just one. One post where I can look back and agree or disagree with what you have to say. Instead, this. Nothing of content. The lack of content from Sentinel is due to the fact that's he's terrified of being caught. That's 'cause Sentinel rolled scum. ##vote [UoN]Sentinel Three things to sum up what you said in the post: Sent pointed out a mistake in MG’s post, he made a townlist, and "I'm going to give myself an excuse not to post so I can avoid scumslipping.". Three things to counter what you said in this post: He did this so as to prevent misunderstandings about him bandwagoning, not everyone thinks townlists are bad, and you made an excuse post yourself: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 06:57 ghost_403 wrote: All right, /confrim. Sorry I've been gone for the last day. The time I can spend in the thread is going to be limited for the next couple of days. After the 25th, I should be back to full steam. Now to find some scum. Only got 12 pages to go through. Shouldn't be too hard. | ||
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On May 02 2012 02:25 ghost_403 wrote: @BK: In my spreadsheet, I have a column marked "age", where I indicate the relative experience of each player. I had VE marked down as veteran, but after the last three games I've played with him, I think I'm going to move him into the insane category. So, this time I did not, but next time I probably will. That guy is nuts. I find it hard to believe that his increased insanity made you want to lynch him more. You said yourself that you don't view insane people as scummy. @UoN I'm not crediting you at all, I just think that he tunneled you hard. You were lurking in the beggining, but is lurking something that we should lynch for? NO! We should lynch for scummy posting. I fine with people looking at lurkers to find scummy posts (lurking isn't a townie action, so I look at them first). Did his case point out scummy posting? I don't see anywhere where he points that out. I feel Ghost is a scum that saw an easy target (a lurker that posted like one) and pointed him out. The problem is that he never went beyond that, even to the point of putting his vote on you. In other words, he never proved you were scum out of any of the other lurkers at the time. | ||
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On April 25 2012 05:44 ghost_403 wrote: @MG: I'm open to discussing any and all of my votes. Implying that the entire town is going to mindlessly follow me and kill off an entire day of discussion is disingenuous and wrong. I believe that I have found scum. I am voting to lynch one of them today, and tomorrow I am going to vote to lynch the other. If you think that I'm wrong, prove it. I'm more than willing to listen. On April 26 2012 01:24 ghost_403 wrote: I'm going to be out for up to the rest of the day. I'm hoping to get back on before the deadline, but no promises. I think that Ottoxlol has the best chance of flipping scum, so I'm going with that. ##unvote [UoN]Sentinel ##vote ottoxlol April 25 2012 05:44 and April 26 2012 01:24 These posts show you suspecting and unsuspecting UoN (there is never an accusatory post after this). How many posts are in between these posts? + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 18:47 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Here are the current standings: Bill Murray - 2 votes Mattchew [UoN]Sentinel Risen - 1 Vote Paqman johnnywup - 1 Vote Ottoxlol Zephirdd - 2 Vote johnnywup Janaan Ottoxlol - 4 Votes Mementoss Risen Bill Murray Zephirdd [UoN]Sentinel - 1 Vote ghost_403 Ottoxlol is currently to be lynched (and I'll switch back my vote to him if we can agree on it) One. A vote count, now why the change? Pick any post in this spoiler: + Show Spoiler + I see a scum jumping off his top scum read. Due to a mistake in his post. Do you? | ||
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Poll: Who was the best scum in game? St. Daniels (10) Mattchew (2) BM (0) Risen (0) 12 total votes Your vote: Who was the best scum in game? Love how BM got away with anything in game XD Moral of the story: Lynch the scummiest person in town. | ||
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Mattchew = Mastermind, Manipulator. Did all the work. BM = Too obvious to lynch. St. Daniels = He helped? Janaan = fooled half the town to believing he was townie, with two pages of posts. How the heck he did that? | ||
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