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On April 24 2012 00:19 BlazingJitsu wrote: Well guys all I have to say is you should have listened to me and we should have lynched Marv. You have my deepest assurance that over the course of the next 72 hours I will stop at nothing to get Marv lynched. It should have been obvious that VE was playing crappy town play. It was obvious to me. It was obvious to Risen. In fact, it's interesting how obvious it was to people who put any decent thought into it or were intelligent, thoughtful people, that this was the case. All of you who had your votes on people that weren't Marv, you also allowed this to happen. You allowed a delicious mixture of jubjubs and scum to lead us down a path of idiocy. I typically try not to beat people up over this sort of thing, but it's so blatantly obvious that Marv is scum. I'm going to briefly talk about Marv's scumbuddies Paqman and MidnightGladius. I don't know who the fourth man is, but given the distinct possibility of being shot (as the only useful townie in a game with a flipped JK) I feel the need to lay it out tonight my cases. The main component of my case against Paqman is an associate tell. You may recall I was fairly aggressive towards Marv over the course of D1. In fact, it dominated a fair amount of my D1 posting. I pushed on the issue pretty hard, and many people had to comment on it one way or another. Of the active posters, Paqman stands out for distinctly not commenting on my case on Marv-- basically at all. But even moreso he never talks TO Marv. Here are his posts related to/addressing Marv before he is called out on it: How do you go so long without talking to Marv, and also only talking about him incidentally? Well, it's easy, PaqMan is talking to Marv in the scum QT, and he instinctively avoids interacting with him here in the game. He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him. For this reason I think Marv is probably a GodFather, and Paqman was trying to use him to eat vigi shots. Of course, after I called him out on it about a day ago, PaqMan has addressed Marv incidentally a couple times. But nothing serious. In any case, the best course of action here is to lynch Marv first, then when he flips GF, lynch Paq. The other associative tell case I've got is on MidnightGladius. He seems a little too diplomatic, and reserved in his posting. He actually briefly pulled the wool over my eyes here: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:59 BlazingJitsu wrote: This is a fair point. I'll do my best to consolidate replies and posts and increase the legibility of this thread. I can get a bit out of hand at times. Regarding what could convince I was wrong about Marv: at this point, very little. If you take a look at Marv's development as a player, in the past few hours he's been posting like a regular guy, an acceptable contributor-- everything seems normal. if he had been posting like this all game, I wouldn't be on his ass like this. But at the beginning, at the time of my first case, he was super scummy-- posting several times and saying nothing. my initial case was to pressure him. He responded by trying to appear active, but still being worthless. i kept on pushing, and bit by bit he stepped up his game. Only with enormous pressure was I able to make him contribute. If he had become useful after my initial pressure, that would have been fine-- but his continued attempts to lurk were scummy. At this point, I am convinced Marv is scum and I will likely not be unconvinced unless something amazing happens. I will consider lynching someone else who is scum in an attempt to avoid mislynch, but voting Marv and getting him lynched is priority #1 for me. Then, there's this deal here: Now, it's actually totally reasonable to wonder about the deadline. It might even be reasonable for these guys to post right next to each other like this. But someone else pointed this out in the thread earlier (I forget who and cant find it)-- but this sort of thing is typical for scum. What happens is they are discussing something in their scum QT together, and they're all like "huh that's weird, I can't find the deadline" and so both MG and Marv thought to ask the host based on their convo in the QT, and did so simultaneously. Big mistake. This is a weaker scumtell though, since it's based on a scumslip rather than on a more developed case. I'll have to read up on MG's filter more since I haven't interacted with him extensively this game-- Marv is the chief candidate for me, then Paq, then MG. In summary, Marv is scum. As always. And I will push him until one of us is dead. Paq is definitely his scumbuddy. MG is probably his scumbuddy. I'm off to class for a bit. I'll be back before daybreak to respond to questions, comments, and concerns, and to find the 4th scum and singlehandedly finger the whole scumteam. -Blazinghand I was busy going after Mattchew. | ||
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You know what assuming does? It makes an ass out of u and me. You're riding marv's dick so hard and the way he reacted to you I believe he's town. You can never be 100% certain that he really is scum unless you know something the rest of town doesn't. I've also failed to ever mention johnny, and quite a few other people as well in my posts. They must be my scumbuddies too. He also tried to direct the lynch AWAY from Marv and vigi shots TOWARDS him. You misunderstood my post. I want you to get vigi'd. | ||
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On April 24 2012 11:16 gonzaw wrote: Well, scum can't change their kill right now, right? So we can discuss all we want without influencing the night kill, so this is the perfect time to argue and shit. What do you guys think of Sentinel, Zephird and Risen? Discuss.. You already know my stance on Risen. Your other FoS's I haven't read up on yet. I've been playing Salem beta while waiting for the day post but yeahhhh.. -.- I'll read up on the last two pages I missed. | ||
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 I'm sorry for my HUGE lack of contribution to discussion today. Salem beta was just released and I couldn't resist -.- But I WILL post more tomorrow, without a doubt. Definitely going to take a look at & analyze Gonzaw's scumreads. Right now I think Risen would be a good lynch, but Gonzaw prefers Sentinel so I'll have to check this kid out. It's past my bedtime so... PEACE! | ||
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On April 24 2012 12:53 johnnywup wrote: Gonzaw had a lot of reads and I think we should look into them. Particularly he seemed very convinced that Sentinel was scum. Other than Sentinel he found BroodkingEXE, Daniel, Risen, and Zephirdd scummy as well. I suggest we take a close look at each one of them. Everyone else he found townie to some extent, except he finds BJ worthless, ottox "neutral", but somewhat suspicious (I'm interpreting it that way at least). He also says ghost is "maybe town", and that MG he didn't really look into. Gonzaw suggested to vote to lynch Sentinel today. While I'd prefer a Zephirdd lynch, I'd be willing to support a Sentinel lynch as well if it gains enough popularity. He seemed scummy all game long, but I couldn't really put into words why. Gonzaw made a good post about why, and now that Gonzaw is dead (read: confirmed town), I feel that a Sentinel Lynch would be good. slOosh's filter leads me to believe he thought MidnightGladius to be the most likely scum, with Zephirdd in 2nd place. The zephirdd in 2nd place is based solely on the "Marv: thoughts on MidnightGladius and Zephirdd" post, but it shows he has zephirdd in his mind and wants opinions on him. I hadn't really looked into MG, like Gonzaw, and will be looking at him closer soon. Will report back when I read MG's filter and come to a conclusion. For now, I want to ask who town would like to lynch more: Zephirdd or Sentinel? Risen. I'm going to put my vote on him and keep it there until I see some incriminating evidence against Sentinel. ##Vote: Risen | ||
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On April 24 2012 13:13 Risen wrote: Do you do anything in this game besides tunnel me? I can't recall seeing you actually DO anything this game. Please start being useful. I'm going to sleep, was waiting to see the day post to see if I lived. Quit acting so offended that I built a case against you. You look & act like scum to me so of course I'm going to go after you. Why do you always act like this every time you get pressured, guilty? My advice: Do something pro-town for us besides play your "town-meta" | ||
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On April 24 2012 14:25 Bill Murray wrote: I am not going to be wagoning paqman today and I will vote the next person to vote for him I really appreciate the support BM, but you should just contribute more plz :S The only people pressuring me after Mattchew was done was BJ. Be back in roughly 8 to 9 hours! | ||
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I've never played a game with Risen, so I'm expecting him to do more than just play his "town meta" (as most of you guys say this is why you think he's town). He went from passive to a violent outburst as soon as the spotlight was aimed at him, and he completely disregarded my case against him save for a few insults. First: so everyone can read Gonzaw's initial case and Risen's defense. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 06:45 Risen wrote: What kind of stupid shit is this? By request of jubjub Pac I'll respond. Wishy washy? What the hell do you want from me not even a day into the game? How the hell could ANYONE have true feelings of someone being scum that early on. You can have policies that guide you, such as kill every idiot you see, like anyone on VE or lynch lurkers like BM, but you can't possibly have feelings of people being scummy that early on. Only people who are atrocious at this game would take that point seriously. Oh look, we have pac taking it seriously. I'm so shocked. You say this posting looks like Toad from LI? Awesome. I'm not Toad. Also, where do you get me being SUBMISSIVE to layabout. The guy was playing like an idiot and I called him out on it. If you count me apologizing for cursing as being "submissive" then you need to get your head checked. How can you go from me voting layabout to trying to get approval from him. Stupidity at it's finest. BUT Pac wants me to address this piece of shit case so lets keep going. On to your little bullets. 1) I've been busy as all hell, but I've been trying to come in and read and post instead of lurk. Screw it, I should have just lurked. You're right, posting in the thread is anti-town. My bad, I was wrong. I'll stop posting. 2) Not taking a solid stance? I SAID DONT DIRECT BLUES. IT IS BAD. How much more solid does it get? What do I have to do to make it more solid? 3) A flimsy vote on layabout? You right... because votes before a day has passed in the game are going to be super solid. Oh wait. They're not. Only an idiot or scum would try and say something like this. I'm leaning idiot because at least your vote isn't with the derps on VE. 4) I like how you call me passive and then point number 4 is saying I'm being too aggressive. This case is air tight guys, let's all get on the Risen choo choo. Right Janaan? 5) People don't have lives my b I always forget about that. I wasn't supposed to head back to Vegas until next weekend and when I signed up for this game it didn't matter anyways. It took two years to start, though, and I've only been able to read the thread from my phone. Now I'm able to type on a keyboard and tear this horrid case to shreds. I'll sum this case for all you dolts voting on me. Risen isn't playing like his town play usually is (but lets not link any of Risen's filters and quote anything from previous games, lets just SAY that's how it is and pray people don't actually check his filters.) Wow. Slam dunk case Paq, glad I took the time to respond to it. Why are you on me again? I don't have much time, I'm driving back to Flagstaff very shortly. I'm going to cut all this nonsense short and post cases against every person on VE. They're all idiots and/or scum who should be killed. My case against him: On April 23 2012 06:53 PaqMan wrote: Risen is scum. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 14:14 Risen wrote: He already pointed it out in his post voting for you. You're a little late. Posting from my phone I'll be home in a couple hours but it's a little late. Just read everything on my phone, though. Alright, cool, nothing really wrong with it. No real content and nothing that circulates discussion, but hey it's his first post. I'll give that to him. One thing to note is the bolded though. On April 22 2012 02:22 Risen wrote: Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan. #1 - He posts this roughly 30 minutes after layabout's post. He coincidentally woke up when he name gets mentioned. I'll give him benefit of the doubt on this one #2 - posting lots is pro-town. But, you don't even have a full page of posts in your filter, even though D1 is a few hours from ending.#3 - posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. So what does that mean? Well he's doing what I was previously accusing Mattchew of, not taking a definite side. He's not making a solid opinion on anything. The rest of his post is fluffy. He gives his input on MT's plan and that's it. He doesn't establish any solid ground on any of the issues at hand. His only mention of scum is that "nobody looks scummy". On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. This part's important as he does end up voting marv with a very stupid reason. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I hatelurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. And who does Risen end up voting for? Marv! Risen is full of shit. His only reason for voting marv is because marv voted for VE. But what about Bill Murray? Dude's lurking the entire D1 and votes for VE. Based on just this quote you would think that Risen votes BM but he jumps right in the wagon that BJ made and votes marv. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless dafuq are you talking about? His next post is basically useless but the next 3 posts are is gold. On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote: Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed. And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. What's with the sudden freak out? All layabout does is make a little comment on you and you blow up. On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. He immediately votes layabout all because of this little comment: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? Also take note of the bold. That's his only mention of BJ&BH. The next couple of posts are useless. So far he still hasn't contributed jack to Town and his posts are weak. UNTIL we get to this one: Why is he so defensive all of a sudden? He definitely is acting off. He's acting like he's guilty of something. He immediately proclaims himself as an easy wagon. But look where he ends up putting his most recent vote! On April 22 2012 03:56 Risen wrote: No. Why even bring that up? I'd call you scum if I thought you were scum. Scum aren't the only ones who jump on a stupid wagon. Lazy townies who don't feel like posting or playing jump on them and screw town too. Again he's acting way too overly-defensive. Chill out bro. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis. It has been two hours since and he still hasn't made his giant post. So far he's keeping up with the thread so I highly doubt he's even working on one. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died. He's "surprised" he has votes on him and is still convinced that layabout's little comment was an attempt to start a wagon on him. It's been two hours since he woke up and that's plenty of time to read through the thread. Despite this, he still has not said a single thing on Gonzaw's case against him. He hasn't brought it up nor has he made a single mention of it. As of that^^ post he still has not given any solid opinions on who is scummy and who's not. Spoilered because I don't want to clutter my case >.> + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time. Okay, finally have an opinion. johnnyboy is your biggest scumread. On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim. Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess. I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He shits up the rest of this post with useless crap. But wait!! Despite johnnyboy having Risen's biggest scumread, Risen votes for marv?!?!?! Whyyyy??? Here's why: On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He's voting marv because marv placed his vote on VE. I call complete bullshit on Risen. He put his vote on marv because marv is easy wagon #1. Sound familiar? We got you cornered mofo. If Town has enough sense to realize this then you're getting lynched today. And his defence?: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:09 Risen wrote: No you twat. I'm not voting johnnywup because I'm not an idiot who thinks we can organize idiot townies like you onto him with so little time left. I'm forced to pick from a small pool of people who we can get votes on. I'm very intense, god... Don't know why I even came back to this. I'm just getting heated again and I'm going to get banned. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:10 Risen wrote: No one is going to pay attention to you. You're an idiot. WHAT WAGON DID I JUMP ON. I never even placed my vote on marv. Go look at the voting thread. derpderpderp, I'm hurrdurrPaq, I don't actually read anything, I just jump on Gonzaw's case, say I'm going to be away, but actually never leave when Risen comes to defend himself. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 07:24 Risen wrote: No one is this stupid. No matter who is lynched today I'm voting you. If you're town I hope you get your shit together next game. No one as dumb as you should even be allowed into TL Mafia. If I had to make a list of people I hate most, it would start with lurkers, and then right under it would be fools like you who tunnel someone and are too blind to anything else going on in the thread. One of you and gonzaw is scum. I think it's probably gonzaw because I don't think a scums teammates would let their team idiot jump on a case so hard when it's built of paper. Insults aside, where's his defence? owait there is none. TL;DR - My case against Risen: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 06:53 PaqMan wrote: Risen is scum. + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 14:14 Risen wrote: He already pointed it out in his post voting for you. You're a little late. Posting from my phone I'll be home in a couple hours but it's a little late. Just read everything on my phone, though. Alright, cool, nothing really wrong with it. No real content and nothing that circulates discussion, but hey it's his first post. I'll give that to him. One thing to note is the bolded though. On April 22 2012 02:22 Risen wrote: Yeah I'm sorry. Just woke up. I'll get posting. Posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. I'd rather we put pressure on someone who isn't posting. I messed up last game with my pressure on ET so I'm not sure how to get everyone posting. From the last page I do have a problem with mementoss' idea. It seems solid but as you said on this page, all vigs would have to get on board. I don't like directing blues in the first place (i realize this game has special stuff going on, though, so I don't think forwarding the idea is scummy. I just don't think we should do it). Another problem with your plan mt is your directing of jailkeepers. By directing jk away from targets and the vigis you give scum a potential three kill night. They can kill the vig, another person, and then if the vigi target is town they get to laugh at us. To sum, don't direct blues. I think there's been enough discussion about it and with no clearly best plan there's no way to get everyone behind one plan. #1 - He posts this roughly 30 minutes after layabout's post. He coincidentally woke up when he name gets mentioned. I'll give him benefit of the doubt on this one #2 - posting lots is pro-town. But, you don't even have a full page of posts in your filter, even though D1 is a few hours from ending.#3 - posting lots is pro-town and from what I've read I don't find anyone really all that scummy. So what does that mean? Well he's doing what I was previously accusing Mattchew of, not taking a definite side. He's not making a solid opinion on anything. The rest of his post is fluffy. He gives his input on MT's plan and that's it. He doesn't establish any solid ground on any of the issues at hand. His only mention of scum is that "nobody looks scummy". On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I don't get your reasoning mt or anyone else's voting for marvel. He's posting and it's very early day 1. There isn't that much to go off of so I don't think he's scummy. This part's important as he does end up voting marv with a very stupid reason. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: I hatelurkers, they always fuck us and it isn't pro-town at all. I'd rather not lynch someone who's here day 1. And who does Risen end up voting for? Marv! Risen is full of shit. His only reason for voting marv is because marv voted for VE. But what about Bill Murray? Dude's lurking the entire D1 and votes for VE. Based on just this quote you would think that Risen votes BM but he jumps right in the wagon that BJ made and votes marv. On April 22 2012 02:28 Risen wrote: Posting is pro-town and I don't think we should be scaring people away from posting day 1 bc it just gives people an excuse to be worthless dafuq are you talking about? His next post is basically useless but the next 3 posts are is gold. On April 22 2012 02:58 Risen wrote: Oh, alright. I had read the vigi shot being refunded, but didn't apply that to them not shooting if they were killed. And wtf? Where the fuck do you get me targeting ANYONE right now? Do you see me voting any "lurkers"? Did I point any out? No. I didn't. Why didn't I? Because I know how early it is in the game. Take your useless shit somewhere else layabout. What's with the sudden freak out? All layabout does is make a little comment on you and you blow up. On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. He immediately votes layabout all because of this little comment: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 02:54 layabout wrote: Anybody feel like Risen is hustlin' us? Also take note of the bold. That's his only mention of BJ&BH. The next couple of posts are useless. So far he still hasn't contributed jack to Town and his posts are weak. UNTIL we get to this one: Why is he so defensive all of a sudden? He definitely is acting off. He's acting like he's guilty of something. He immediately proclaims himself as an easy wagon. But look where he ends up putting his most recent vote! On April 22 2012 03:56 Risen wrote: No. Why even bring that up? I'd call you scum if I thought you were scum. Scum aren't the only ones who jump on a stupid wagon. Lazy townies who don't feel like posting or playing jump on them and screw town too. Again he's acting way too overly-defensive. Chill out bro. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Hey folks. I'm not actually voting layabout. Just woke up, was out drinking last night. I'm going to be going through everyone's filters and I'll make a giant post containing my analysis. It has been two hours since and he still hasn't made his giant post. So far he's keeping up with the thread so I highly doubt he's even working on one. On April 23 2012 04:27 Risen wrote: Let me catch up on the thread, though. Why are there two votes on me? I assumed when layabout wasn't able to start the choo choo that train died. He's "surprised" he has votes on him and is still convinced that layabout's little comment was an attempt to start a wagon on him. It's been two hours since he woke up and that's plenty of time to read through the thread. Despite this, he still has not said a single thing on Gonzaw's case against him. He hasn't brought it up nor has he made a single mention of it. As of that^^ post he still has not given any solid opinions on who is scummy and who's not. Spoilered because I don't want to clutter my case >.> + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: Honestly johnnywup is my biggest scumread atm Pac. I have no idea why he thinks forwarding another lynch candidate at the last second is a good idea, and it just shits up the thread. Do we take the case against him seriously? Do we try and organize everyone to swap their votes over to zeph even though no one else has mentioned zeph as a serious candidate thus far? We can't do that, we don't have the time. Okay, finally have an opinion. johnnyboy is your biggest scumread. On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I know I was against it before, but I don't see how marvel could be pushing a lynch on VE right now. We can't lynch our claimed JK. It's been stated in the thread but I'll state it again. You don't lynch a claimed doctor, and we shouldn't lynch the closest thing we have to a doctor. Is it possible VE is lying? Yup. He might be lying and be a vigi, or a tracker, or scum, or vanilla. Doesn't matter. The only shitty thing is that the person who is jailed doesn't know they were jailed, so I don't know how to confirm his claim. Regardless, a vote on VE is stupid. It's just like everyone who voted for me when I claimed a guaranteed sane detective with a red check. Only an idiot would vote for said blue unless it was LYLO. It's applicable here. We can't lynch someone who claims such a powerful blue role right now. Is it a shitty claim? Yeah. I don't think it was smart, but we have to roll with it now that it's in the open. Any trackers watch him, I guess. I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He shits up the rest of this post with useless crap. But wait!! Despite johnnyboy having Risen's biggest scumread, Risen votes for marv?!?!?! Whyyyy??? Here's why: On April 23 2012 05:33 Risen wrote: I'm voting marvel. Pre-EBWOP I just looked at the voting thread prior to hitting post. What the hell is going on? How can you lynch a claimed blue? This is so stupid. If need be I'll vote BM b/c I'm all for lynching someone who's being useless, but for now my vote is resting on marvel. ##vote marvellosity He's voting marv because marv placed his vote on VE. I call complete bullshit on Risen. He put his vote on marv because marv is easy wagon #1. Sound familiar? We got you cornered mofo. If Town has enough sense to realize this then you're getting lynched today. Him defending himself: Rage rage insult rage insult insult rage. Also a very interesting quote: On April 23 2012 07:25 Risen wrote: EBWOP: Then again, maybe you are scum. NO ONE can be that certain of someone's alignment day 1. Only scum could know with the certainty you claim, Paq. Reading through your posts, how were you sooo certain that VE's claim was true? You were defending him as if your life depended on it. You didn't question or have doubt about his claim at all. It didn't even strike you that he claimed a role no one could confirm. On April 23 2012 05:37 Risen wrote: It came up in post game chat in LI, and I've never considered it b/c information is information, but why would a no-lynch be bad in this game. Mafia KP isn't determined by the number of people they have alive, it's determined by who their goons are. Aren't accurate lynches therefor that much more necessary? Or is the information gained from a lynch that valuable even in a setup like this. TL;DR: Get the hell off VE and on to anyone else. I'll no lynch over lynching VE 100% I'm reading through Sentinel's filter now. After I check out his and Zepphird I'll post any thoughts I have. | ||
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Bad because well, you guys can tell from his posts and lack of any real contribution + lack of pro-town play. Good because he's fooling me into thinking he's bad town. But it is his first game, so I'm thinking bad town. Also: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 23:10 Zephirdd wrote: *sigh* BH/J flipped town. That means all the opinions from the two-headed player are town opinions. That means two town players were thinking that Marvellosity and Ottoxlol were scum. Gonzaw's latest thoughts were that me and Sentinel were scum Sloosh does not state anything specific, but he accused MG and asked for people's opinions on both me and him. Also It's his first TL Mafia game and you'd know it if you read his filter By the way, lynching Risen or johnny is retarded. IF you want my opinion, I'd say Sentinel is the best lynch target right now. Last post of his: It's been about 12 hours. He also has very little substance. Leaving my vote on him for now. This post doesn't do much except recount the dead's scumreads, which was already done by several people. But it looks like it's contributing right? I want your opinion on why it'd be retarded to lynch Risen. | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:50 Mattchew wrote: Crazy de lurk timing wtf ninja'd. I didn't write that post in 4 minutes. | ||
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On April 25 2012 08:57 Risen wrote: Yeah I don't think mattchew could seriously think you'd whip that up the second you were called out. Having said that... I wasn't certain VE was town, and I never said that. NEVER. No where will you find me saying that. You know what you will find me saying? Don't vote VE, he's a claimed "doctor" and lynching him, especially on day 1 before a single night has passed, is the highest level of stupidity. You didn't have to say you were certain about VE's claim, it was obvious in how you were reacting. You defended him as if you completely believed his claim was true (You would have taken even taken a no lynch to save him). No one can be that certain, especially about a role that couldn't be confirmed. That said, I was wrong about Ottoxlol. I misread his words. He's played Mafia, just not at TL. | ||
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On April 25 2012 09:08 Risen wrote: Both of you need to seriously sit there and think about what I just said. I was not certain VE was town, I WAS HOWEVER 100% CERTAIN LYNCHING VE WAS STUPID. I didn't imply shit about being certain he was town. We lynch to kill scum, right? We do not lynch to kill town, right? And you really really really did not want VE lynched, right? Sooo, yeah... If you read through your filter you can see how hard you were defending VE. You were defending him with so much vigor that you even declared anyone voting for him should be lynched/vigi'd. | ||
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He posts a quick defense of Marv, shown here: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Marv, not counting his first 5-10 posts, hasn't actually done anything worth the lynch. I mean, if he was on the guillotine and I had to give ONE reason to lynch him, it would be fluffing. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because it pales in comparison to: + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 20:13 BlazingJitsu wrote: Marvellosity. Let me talk to you. No correction let me talk AT you. what are you doing this game? Let's look at your filter + Show Spoiler + On April 21 2012 09:05 marvellosity wrote: Mattchew, I thought we were gonna have a long, happy, and romp-filled relationship, then you make me click on multiple spoilers. On April 21 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote: I've tried to think of a bunch of different scenarios and I've not yet managed to picture one where mafia couldn't claim the same situation. The only way a vigi really clears himself is by shooting scum :/ On April 21 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote: Holy gonzaw post. Nice ^--- These posts are short and worthless. ^--- this post is actually correct, but interestingly, despite the fact that it's the right time to talk about the game mechanics... you never talk about the game mechanics. You ask some unhelpful questions and echo worthless obvious shit other people have said, but otherwise you're deadweight. Where's your contributions, Marv? Where's the discussion that it is "absolute the right time" to talk about? or do you only have inane questions? ^=== HOLY SHIT this question is bad. holy shit. Of course there's good circumstances to make a vig shot! SHOOT A SCUM GUY. Christ. Even if you shoot a godfather, at least that's a data point (not quite a DT check's worth, because it might hasve been roleblock), and if you shoot a goon, hey, you shot a goon. Are you TRYING to be as unhelpful as possible? Are you TRYING to actively inhibit our blue roles? Surely if so it's through neither quality of prose nor persistence in communicating the ideas contained therein with your miniscule cumuluative post length. Typically this is where I say "you can do better, marv" but really, ANYONE could do better. You're shitting on the town and trying to build up a post count without saying ANYTHING. You're lurking in plain sight. ##vote: marvellosity. -Blazinghand Especially the part about a good time to make a vig shot. First off, the tone of BH's post is like sulfuric acid to my lemon juice. I've never, ever, seen him post like that before. Second, BH should have more of a problem with VE. Marv asked a stupid question? Big fucking whoop. We've all done it at one point or another, it's not a death sentence. Unwarranted, this is. He makes two FoS, St. Daniel: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Um... St. Daniel has one post? How are we supposed to analyze this? This is fluff. All of it. He posted seven hours ago, and I'm feeling a little generous so I'll wait till he posts again before making final judgment. But definitely flashing red to me. And Brood: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: EBWOP: Brood has one post too (at least one with any substance). This is a little better than St. Dan because it actually talks about vig mechanics. But I don't see how that creates such a disparity that we barely talk about Brood but cast suspicion on St. Dan. On April 22 2012 11:17 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: EBWODP: I'm suspicious of Brood too. Need to mention that so it doesn't look like I'm contradicting myself in my second post. Here we can see his voteswitch from Ghost to VE: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Ok. What the hell is a "non-cooperative Jailkeeper"? Coupled with trying to sway townies so much over the course of this thread, I feel no shame in voting VE. ##Unvote: ghost_403 ##Vote: VisceraEyes St. Dan is next on my list. As for Brood, his last post was fluff but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. His next important post is his self-defense of Gonzaw's case against him: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 05:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: + Show Spoiler [My defense vs. Gonzaw] + On April 24 2012 12:18 gonzaw wrote: Is it against the rules to talk in this time?  No, but thanks for helping me read less text. Anyways, I seem to be falling into the red again, so let's get to business. On April 24 2012 09:16 gonzaw wrote: Sentinel I think he's scum. Here is his first "important" post: (All the ones before that one were just useless filler.) <<My first important post>> He just posts this to defend himself. All the 1st points of this posts are him making excuses and defending himself against accusations. Can't argue with that. That's actually the reason I came out of the woodwork in the first place. He suspects sloosh for some arbitrary reason (sloosh saying "I like Ottoxlul"). Notice how he never mentions his thoughts about sloosh again in the whole game This is my thought process at the time: 1. Read filters, including sloosh's. 2. Observe that sloosh's is starting out bad because post is scummy. 3. Sloosh makes pretty good argument vs. VE. I buy it and not care about sloosh again. His next point is an OMGUS against ghost. His reasoning for voting ghost is that ghost thinks he's scum and didn't post "reasoning" behind it, which is bogus since ghost did offer some reasoning behind it here: <<reasoning behind it here>> You know what else happens in that post? Just like I told many other players, he completely ignores the current discussion at hand He ignores everything about VE, the cases made against him, or the discussion about my "scumslip" and shit. He ignores the Mattchew vs Paqman deal, and he ignores the BH vs marv deal as well. His only motivation for making that post is to: -Defend himself -Offer a shitty vote on a player that has NOTHING to do with the current discussion You call that reasoning? I call it a pretty stupid idea to lynch me. I didn't think enough of VE to address him. All I said is that sloosh's case looks pretty good. Marv (and St. Dan and Brood) I actually get to. And of course I'm going to defend myself, because that's what you're supposed to do when you're under suspicion. His post only serves to disrupt, misdirect discussion and respond to accusations so he's not in the spotlight. His next posts are filler too, he doesn't contribute anything worthwhile. He then starts arguing with ghost, yet he never states if he thinks ghost is scum or not in those posts He just argues against ghost for the sake of arguing and defending himself, he's not scumhunting AT ALL, not even against those that he supposedly thinks is scum. (For example, these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=23#443 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=23#454 ) At that point I was more pissed off at ghost than willing to support the town. Otherwise I can't argue with that. This is the FIRST post in the whole game where he actually discusses the current events: Is wishy washy regarding marv, and here is where the fun begins: In the next few posts, Sentinel starts into a "suspicion-spree", spouting names of players and players and how he finds them slightly suspicious or is wishy washy regarding them Here are the posts: BH: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=23#457 Daniel: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=23#459 Brood: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329128¤tpage=23#460 Dan and Brood had shit posts but I gave them the benefit of the doubt since they had so little, and by calling them out for that I would be a hypocrite. Red but redeemable. He's wishy washy about them or suspicious about them, but doesn't mention them at all later (he only mentions Daniel and Brood one more time, nothing else), or pressure them, or discuss them, or posting more thoughts about them. He just soughts suspicion on those players and then forgets about them. His initial suspicion of sloosh falls in this category as well. Erm, sloosh was in my first post? I actually mentioned them again in my vote on VE: Now comes his vote on VE: Really? Here is his reasoning for voting VE: Notice how this is the first time in the game he mentions VE He never mentioned when VE called me out and started his "lynch gonzaw!" crusades, I wasn't here for that and skimmed the thread nor mentioned him when I and sloosh posted cases against him, I wasn't here for that and skimmed the thread or when other people mentioned him. He mentions him only after he claims, and what does he say? Almost nothing. His "What the hell is a..." statement is useless since it doesn't state anything about his opinion on the matter. I thought it was pretty obvious that I was indignant at his claim and didn't believe it. His "Coupled with......" statement is just very vague and doesn't really say anything about VE's alignment. Apart from that he doesn't say anything else about VE, he doesn't post more thoughts about VE, or about other current discussions about VE either. You can bust me for lack of content but I think the message was pretty clear. "Bullshit, you're scum and I'm voting you for it. Do I really need to work on my word choice that much? Oh, yeah he also mentioned my case about Risen a little bit: ...but is completely wishy washy about it, fails to make an actual opinion on it, and only serves to "ask" about Risen's past games. Then when layabout actually goes through the effort of linking to said games, Sentinel doesn't mention it at all nor mentions Risen at all. Do you want me to start posting "Oh. Ok. Yeah, that make sense, carry on." every time I've felt that way in the thread? Because really on a lot of things, all I can really start saying is "Yeah, I agree with this." because they've pretty much got the whole subject covered. Conclusion: [list] [*]Sentinel is just posting to avoid the spotlight. When he posts he either just defends himself against accusations, he posts fluff and filler about useless things (like that "QT=/=PM" post), or posts wishy-washy stances on other players Yeah, I'm guilty of doing that. Can't say anything about that. [*]He ignores all current discussions and posts things that are irrelevant to them. He talks about players that have nothing to do with the discussion (and like said before in a wishy-washy manner), he talks about current events way too late and doesn't provide any new (or even remotely useful) content regarding it [*]Starts fighting with ghost to disrupt the thread, starts FoSing him but after they keep fighting he fails to take a stance on the ghost subject, he just argues with him for the sake of arguing. Again, I was pissed. If I was scum I wouldn't be pissed because ghost would be telling the truth and I would be only bullshitting. [*]He is "suspicious" and wishy washy about a lot of players and never makes the effort of mentioning them again or contributing more thoughts about them. My total was three? [*]He votes VE without any reasoning and only based on VE "trying to sway townies", and nothing else Yadda yadda yadda end of argument Altogether I think his defense is weak. It contains a bunch of one-liner excuses. I haven't seen anything pro-town from him besides his case against Ottoxlol. He doesn't bother to keep up with the thread or current discussions unless it's to defend himself. I'm not going to argue against lynching him. However, I still think there are better options on the table than Sentinel. Will read zepphird. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 09:16 Zephirdd wrote: Okay, whoever thinks what he did was reasonable should also rethink a little. I"m not taking blame for that either; it was VE's own play that did that. His claim made no sense and he did us the favor of not posting the freaking case against him. I'm all into a marv. lynch for the next day given how bad he wanted VE dead. I mean seriously, his latest posts were like a dog drooling at a piece of meat. On April 23 2012 09:53 Zephirdd wrote: because it's fun to create a scumlist prior doing any analysis or whatsoever, MidnightGladius marvellosity PaqMan --insert unknown scum here-- List done out of pure feelings and zero evidence or analysis and should not be taken seriously at all Also, may I remind you that my vote was completely and ultimately worthless, as in, even if I didn't vote VE would die. Also, keep this in your mind: if I knew VE was going to die already, and if I already knew he was a JK(as in, if I was scum), why the fuck would I instantly jump right at the deadline and put a worthless vote on him when I could simply vote, say, marvellosity? Suddenly, I'm not looking that bad anymore, am I? Also I agree with BMurray being vigged. I'm not sure if he is town or scum, but it would be better if he just died and we didn't had to care about him anymore. More things that irk me: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 12:24 Zephirdd wrote: No, I haven't. It's midnight right now and I have class tomorrow. Expect something from me in about... idk, 14 to 16 hours? Yeah that should be it. I'll probably log in with my cellphone and maybe post something, but a real analysis will come in about 14 to 16 hours minimum. It's monday and I don't have to call my gf in the afternoon(finally, the girl was driving me crazy) so yeah, I'll finally get time. I may even have to retract my previous statement about you, PaqMan. I know that I've been useless so far, but I promise you all that I'm not scum right now. I also got a bit of British speech, I just finished watching Sherlock Holmes. The first one. I love these kinds of movies. You tell me that you're going to give me a real analysis. The next day you tell me this: K I was planning on making a case on someone But then I realized that there is no point in making a case right now. Instead, I'll just post whatever the fuck is flowing in my mind about the game. I agree that there's not much of a point to write up some big analysis during night, but your attitude about it screams extreme laziness to me. You're purposely putting hardly any effort into your analysis, which makes sense if you look at it from a scum point-of-view. Why would you put so much time and work into your posts when you're scum? The rest of that post is the only real contribution he's made so far. Also, you totally ignored the question I asked you. + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 08:51 PaqMan wrote: Also a quick note: I think ottoxlol is bad town or good scum. Bad because well, you guys can tell from his posts and lack of any real contribution + lack of pro-town play. Good because he's fooling me into thinking he's bad town. But it is his first game, so I'm thinking bad town. Also: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 23:10 Zephirdd wrote: *sigh* BH/J flipped town. That means all the opinions from the two-headed player are town opinions. That means two town players were thinking that Marvellosity and Ottoxlol were scum. Gonzaw's latest thoughts were that me and Sentinel were scum Sloosh does not state anything specific, but he accused MG and asked for people's opinions on both me and him. Also It's his first TL Mafia game and you'd know it if you read his filter By the way, lynching Risen or johnny is retarded. IF you want my opinion, I'd say Sentinel is the best lynch target right now. Last post of his: It's been about 12 hours. He also has very little substance. Leaving my vote on him for now. This post doesn't do much except recount the dead's scumreads, which was already done by several people. But it looks like it's contributing right? I want your opinion on why it'd be retarded to lynch Risen. Read: bold I feel that Zephirdd is scummier than Sentinel. However I think either one would be a good lynch candidate. I still believe that Ottox is bad town. He's been posting consistently and he's been keeping up with his reasons even under pressure (he keeps stating that he doesn't have a scum read on anyone, etc etc). He's playing bad but I think he's town. So we should keep the lynch candidates small, as someone earlier stated. Zephirdd/Sentinel and Risen. This is the last time I'm going to post about Risen since I'm guessing I have no support whatsoever. Just please pay attention. 1) At the beginning of D1, Risen is just passively chilling. As soon as he gets mentioned and put to attention, however, he has this violent outburst. As soon as the spotlight is pointed at him, he accuses layabout of trying to start an "easy wagon." Only two people (layabout and sloosh) start discussing him and he declares himself as "easy wagon #1". + Show Spoiler [seen here] + On April 22 2012 03:04 Risen wrote: I think you're making up bullshit to try and push an easy wagon on me. ##vote layabout I'm done for now. I'll change my vote if someone does something scummy but I don't see anything and I think someone trying to push a wagon at this point is our best bet. I'll vote for the hydra too. 2) After VE claims, Risen starts defending him. I agree in that Risen has some good points, but the ferocity in which he defends VE is astounding. VE claimed a role that could not be confirmed. It's as if Risen was 100% certain that VE wasn't lying about being town. He doesn't even question it. Risen hops on this and defends the HELL out of VE. He goes so far as to declaring that anyone voting VE should be lynched/vigi'd. VE even voted for himself yet Risen tries to stop other people from voting VE as if he was the one getting lynched. Does that not strike odd to anyone else? 3) His response to my case against him. It doesn't matter what he said, it's the way he responded. (it's okay Risen I forgive you). The arguments I made against him were valid and he knew it. So the only way he could respond was by throwing insults. 4) His only town contribution is the case against Ottoxlol. I think he's the scummiest out of the other two. I believe he's scum so I'll keep my vote on him a little while longer and see how Town responds. | ||
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